I understand that you're engaging in a common tactic made convenient when you can't argue based on the facts. It's transparent.
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If you'd argue based on knowledge and facts, you find yourself in a better light. Sorry you don't to see that.
Yawn. Still the same page from the playbook?
Here are 299 more for you to try. Mix it up a little. Stop being so tedious.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies
My bad, with all the noise yesterday I thought we were only talking about the Region. Montriss was a LN kid of course. Not sure of those he missed on from Da Region.
More tedious than your willful ignorance and defense of mediocrity? I notice you didn't try to defend what Scott said but only that I criticized him for his complete lack of logic. Telling, as usual.
Typical I3.
I never defended Scott or mediocrity. I did, however, criticize your one-trick pony posting strategy when it comes to him. I'm not surprised that it went so far over your head. (See how easy that is to do? And how boring and lazy? Knowing you, probably not. Wow, I did it again.)
The one trick pony strategy of countering nonsense with facts? I can see why you find that so objectionable. Mediocrity does that to you.
Indy is absolutely phony when referring to anything outside of Indianapolis. Indy is not, nor has it ever been, used to describe anything IU related. Indy is not synonymous with Indiana when referring to the state, and does not offer any connotation related to the state other than the city.
Those from Indiana understand this.
^^^See above.
He's not the only one.
Also, admittedly half the time I don't know if those posters are referring to the state or the city as they seem to use the term interchangeably to describe both. Using "Indy" for one is correct and the other is most certainly wrong.
Maybe it's a pet peev which I need to let go as it seems today's new generation of fan is ok with this type of mediocrity.
You mean like the oft-used "Wisky"? And where are all of the posts with "Indy" in them?
Yes, your pet peeves are your problem, not ours
Back to Spa and Ohio. Using Ohio when discussing OSU is inaccurate, there is an Ohio..,Ohio University
That would be like someone saying Indiana when referring to Indiana St....:which I'm guessing would send you into convulsions
I'm not concerned about other schools/states virtues.
See example above in my reply to SnS.
Then you can hardly expect for others to be concerned about your school's/state's virtues, can you?
I'd point out the error if they did that as well.Yes, your pet peeves are your problem, not ours
Back to Spa and Ohio. Using Ohio when discussing OSU is inaccurate, there is an Ohio..,Ohio University
That would be like someone saying Indiana when referring to Indiana St....:which I'm guessing would send you into convulsions
Just as a fan/graduate of OSU wouldn't refer to OSU as Ohio, a fan/graduate of ISU wouldn't refer to ISU as Indiana. It's usually the lazy or uninformed who make those mistakes. In the example I provided I pointed out the error to the poster and he admitted he was being lazy. Others can decide for themselves why they do it but it's certainly not correct usage of the term.
My bad. I thought you were an IU fan/grad and that this was an IU board. I won't make that mistake again.
Since I haven't used the term, your ire is misdirected. That's the mistake you shouldn't make again.
I have no " ire" directed at you but rather surprise. That is, my surprise about your concern for the virtue of other schools over your own or your lack of understanding in the proper referencing of IU/Indiana as a school or a state. Or my surprise that when someone on an IU board would point out the obvious misuse of a reference to IU/Indiana you'd actually defend the reference instead of acknowledging the mistake. Is it that you enjoy seeing your own school slighted by others or don't have respect for IU as an institution or Indiana as a state? Idk
I get it. You don't like to admit when you are wrong so we can move on from this.
I stand corrected, as should you. Your "surprise" is nothing of the sort, but rather a convoluted mishmash of weakly conceived excuses to simply lash out at those with whom you disagree, all sloppily packaged under a noble (to you, anyway) bouquet of legitimacy. It's confirmed by your inability to show anything other than one person who's used the term "Indy", and your obliviousness toward the repeated request to provide more examples.
In the end, you've chosen pettiness as a means of expressing your disdain for those with whom you disagree. It's inelegant and small.
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As a person that occasionally uses the name "Ohio" when referring to Ohio State, I can tell you that for myself and some others it is simply a snarky response to those Ohio grads that are so obsessed with the self-congratulating THE OSU mantra that apparently helps resolve their inferiority complex. I learned this from some UM clients.
We had a foursome of Ohio fans near us at the last game in Btown. The foursome...one of which had a hat that simply said THE in huge letters on the front were genuinely stunned that the IU crowd was not slobbering at the feet of their team that only won because two officials swallowed their whistles on the final play.
These clowns honestly believed that the fans around them should be thanking them for allowing lowly IU to be on the same field with the greatness that is...THE.
I will continue.
Is it? Seems more of a fan/blogger thing to do rather than a HC. Oh well, I bet the Ohio fans love him for it.
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That's the point I made to another poster who constantly used Indy for Indiana (the state). It sounds more like a slight towards the state/school than anything. I like your term of "snarky" more though.
Seriously, my question is why would any true fan be ok with using a term which is snarky, is a slight, or whatever, towards their team they supposedly love? I get people being snarky towards opposing teams, but their own???
Why do you allow such a minor detail bother you so much?....like you said earlier it's a pet peeve that you should let go
Nice monologue yet once again you step on your soapbox of righteousness and rattle off a soliloquy of indignation with absolute authority.
You basically presented the old "I was wrong but so was he" complaint my kids use. Not sure what I should stand corrected for but I'm sure you will tell me.
Repeated requests? SnS asked and I provided. You asked once and I pointed to my reply with SnS. This qualifies as repeated requests? I'm assuming SnS jumped in on the conversation because he's used the term loosely himself, which I'm sure you're aware of but probably won't acknowledge.
Did you really just accuse another poster of being on soapbox of righteousness? Please tell me that this was tongue in cheek
Every post you've made in this thread has been you on a soapbox of righteousness...do you call this irony or hypocrisy?
The thing is if it came from opposing fans it wouldn't bother me in the least, as those are the things you expect from other fans. It shouldn't come from our own fan base. We should be the ones building pride in the program; not in an annoying manner as some other fan bases do (UK "we're everyone's Super Bowl, OSU "THE Ohio State University, Miami (FL) "The U", etc...) but rather with simple pride in who IU is.
Indy isn't, nor has it ever been, used to describe anything Indiana or a term of endearment towards anything Indiana related. The fact that certain people don't grasp that idea speaks volumes about their true connection, or lack thereof, to the state of Indiana or IU itself. No matter how hard you try to sell it as such doesn't make it so.
Pride starts within.
Do you ever get down off of your soapbox of righteousness? The entire state of Indy is waiting for you to step down
My posts started with a question to a response, then responses followed to a bluntly posed yet false premise.
How is it you once put it? Sigh...
Sigh...today's new generation of fan.Do you ever get down off of your soapbox of righteousness? The entire state of Indy is waiting for you to step down
I know we're all impressed by your dedication in the vital quest to stamp once and for all the use of the term "Indy". I'll certainly sleep better tonight knowing your commitment to such an important endeavor.
I have been accused of ducking this in state recruiting issue so here are the results of a little research on the schools who are said to be raiding Indiana of talent.
This goes back the last four classes, 2013-2016.
Obviously, not all schools are included but, there was mention of these schools specifically in this thread.
School # recruited last 4 years
Duke 0
Kansas 0
Kentucky 2 (included Mulder (Canada) excluded Humphries)
we recruited Mulder hard, no interest in Humphries
Louisville 0
Michigan 1
Michigan State 0
North Carolina 0
Bam Adabayo is a five star from North Carolina, he's headed to Kentucky. DeAngelo Russell was a five star from Kentucky who left the state. Lourawls Nairn was #62 in the nation and went to Michigan State.
Michigan State and North Carolina have been the best at keeping it's talent in the fold with three each in the last four years. Indiana has lost five star Irvin to UM and four star Blueitt to Xavier. There was a post pertaining to three star rated kids who have been in Indiana High School, this list was limited to four and five star kids due to the volume of three stars in state and nationally but, only UNC and MSU have as many kids of three, four and five star status in their recruiting classes the last four years as IU. All other kids came from out of state so, it would seem that the other coaches aren't fishing the pond in their own back yard any more or less than CTC is.
You had two five star from two states and that's comparable to what Indy has produced? More or less? Lmao
What about Swanigan, Lyles Coleman, Brunk, Jackson, Beachem, and Smotherman? They were all 4 star on rivals? Do they not count?
So that's 3 fives and 7four stars(8 if you count Humphries) IU has missed on in the last 4 yrs and it's more or less the same as the other coaches...seriously?
Considering the turnover rate at IU it's not surprising we had a large amount 3-4-5 stars. We've had a large amount of every type of recruit.
Only UNC and MSU have had as many 3-4-5 stars as IU....where are UK, KU, and Duke?
Who accused you of ducking it? We accused you of being wrong, but certainly not ducking
So to sum it up, your flawed data led to a flawed conclusion
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Where the hell did I EVER say the conversation was limited to the last 4 years?
The POINT is - and has always been - that IU doesn't recruit Indiana well. And all you've done is offer up a bevy of excuses.
Like this:
and this:
Funny how you cherry pick the facts to try to support your weak argument . . . but typical.
Myles was included in Kentucky's numbers.
The number of 3.4.5 star players from the home state are the same.
Have a nice evening. Your vitriole is noted. You hate when a good point is made and will obsess on items you can't comprehend to deflect.
IU has as many three, four and five star players on its roster , from the home state, as any of the other schools identified. The recruiting model CTC is using mirrors those of the schools that have been successful in the NCAA tournament. (Champions).
The fact that Indiana kids aren't on the roster isn't for a lack of attention. The upcoming class es of 17 and 18 are getting plenty of recruiting attention.
A reasonable mind would understand but we know you're not reasonable. Go to bed.
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Your response was not unexpected. You want to have Indiana kids. This staff is recruiting Indiana as hard as anyone else. If we don't get those kids, your point will be made about not having an advantage. The point that those other schools have locked down the talent in their states wasn't correct. With respect to the post about CTC having NEVER been established in Indiana in eight years, the poster admitted he was incorrect in that statement and there was criticism of using rosters that were five and six years old. The information wasn't designed to cherry pick, it wasn't designed as excuses. It was done to shine a light on the fact that the top programs are recruiting nationally. Whether it's done by choice or not isn't really a factor.
There have been a number of times that people have said that in order to have consistent success, the level of talent needs to be upgraded. That's what the Indiana coaching staff is attempting to do. Please identify another time when IU basketball has been this strong with this many top 6 candidates.
As far as not recruiting Indiana well, that's a matter of perspective and we will probably disagree until there is a definition of the term well.
Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.
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