Marv, I'm not rewarding anyone. That's just ridiculous. I was drawing a comparison between WWII atrocities and those of 10/7.For Germany, you are rewarding them for trying to make killing efficient. They made many concentration camp internees write letters to those not yet sent saying how wonderful it was and how well treated they were. That was to make it easier to capture them later, if everyone fled and hid it would be far harder.
I am less familiar with Japan but they published a story about two officers having a contest to see who could behead 100 Chinese with their sword faster.
The Japanese Press
Read an excerpt of a story published in the Japanese press about two Japanese soldiers' brutal actions in China.www.facinghistory.org
But yes, for the most part they downplayed Nanking and Korea. Largely I suspect for the same reason as the Germans. Trying to fight the whole world means hopefully doing it one at a time.
Marv, I'm not rewarding anyone. That's just ridiculous. I was drawing a comparison between WWII atrocities and those of 10/7.
You are in some kind of pissing match with CoH about which is worse. It doesn't matter which is worse, but the brazenness of 10/7 ought to be so abhorrent that it sets it as unique in modern history.
OK, I get what you're saying. I don't think the posts on this board are the results of anti-Semitism (edit: except for Jimbo), but I certainly think it's a big part of the national discussion.I was in that match because he was so into saying that 10/7 was obviously worse and anyone who thinks otherwise is antisemitic. Somewhere here I said I would have NO complaints in saying both are equally savage and hateful.
I didn't mean rewarding in any way other than if you discount Germany for not videoing what they did, meaning they aren't as bad, that is discounting them for wanting to make it easier to kill people. That's why they had people write letters home about how wonderful it was, they wanted to make it easier to get to them later. I don't think that makes them less cruel, mean, or hateful. It just makes them more efficient. I am not sure a more efficient killer is less hateful.
Oh well, clearly this isn't something leading to any agreement so I'm tapping out. It is all horrible, I don't see any way to grade one as clearly worse than another (assuming we don't use scale). They are horrible.
I meant to ask, have you read him and, if so, what did you think.Which book? One of Sapolsky's?
I like him. I’ve posted about him before.I meant to ask, have you read him and, if so, what did you think.
It is tough, but I heard a physicist explain it once in terms of Einstein's block universe and between that and where I am in Sapolski's book it is getting hard to think it is wrong.I like him. I’ve posted about him before.
I’m uncomfortable with the no free will concept though
Sapolski is right. I just don't like it. No one really does. I think he admits that it's built into us to think we have agency.It is tough, but I heard a physicist explain it once in terms of Einstein's block universe and between that and where I am in Sapolski's book it is getting hard to think it is wrong.
If Einstein is right, everything has already happened.
That is a very bad misunderstanding of how DNA works.
..... after another one of their terrorist commanders was blown up.
That is a very bad misunderstanding of how DNA works.
We should be clear on one thing regarding money: Iran didn't fund this with any part of the $6B, and no part of the $6B opened up other funds to use for this. A terrorist operation like this doesn't just come together over a few weekends. This has been planned for a long time. It was going to happen whether or not there was a prisoner exchange, and whatever money Iran put toward it (if any) happened without figuring in a future deposit from the United States to cover any checks they might write.
That doesn't mean we should be giving Iran money. It was a transaction, a trade. We bought freedom for some people. It was a transaction I supported on the theory that it's always better to bring Americans home when you can. But that doesn't mean I was right. Regardless of the technicalities or the good motivations, we still agreed to give Iran money, and that should make us wary in the same way (but on a much bigger scale) as a liberal or conservative might be wary about giving money to Hobby Lobby or Target. Whether or not your money has anything to do with something you disagree with, you're still giving money to an organization that doesn't align with your values.
But, again, that transaction had nothing to do with Hamas attacking Israel, beyond the basic fact that some of the bad actors involved might overlap here and there.
That is a very bad misunderstanding of how DNA works.
And genetically speaking, a lot of Israelis are Eastern European. So what? National identity can't be defined by genetic, precisely for the reasons you mentioned, among others.It would fit with Palestine not being an ethnic group that is separate from all their other neighbors in the region. What it does fit is that up until the British mandate they were always just members of a greater Empire who saw people moving back and forth across the same areas because at the time they were all "Ottoman" (or any of the former Muslim Empires to control the region). Then one day when it became politically useful to do so, they created a new identity for themselves. You can't expect that new identity to be verifiably different from most of your other Arabic Influenced/Islamic neighbors in the region because you really aren't any different from them.
She is trying to get 23 and me to conform to her worldview and it won't happen because that "Levantine" she would probably like to claim as "Palestinian" is going to be found all over Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and likely parts of Iraq as well because people in an empire are transient. It would be like a Floridian 150 years from now seeing all these Midwestern markers in their DNA and saying, "This can't be right. We are Floridians for generations." Yeah, but there is a thing called human migration....
And genetically speaking, a lot of Israelis are Eastern European. So what? National identity can't be defined by genetic, precisely for the reasons you mentioned, among others.
You're intentionally ignoring my point? The claim that Palestinians are really just Egyptians and Jordanians also can't be backed up by the genetics. Nationality and ethnicity are socio-linguistic identities. Trying to find a scientific basis for them is always wrong, no matter what side of an argument you're on.Agree. I think we both agree the woman is making a stupid request. The reason the Jews have Eastern European markers is because that is where many of them ended up after their long ago ancestors were expelled from Judea.
I just wish rational people would come together and denounce the use of ancestral heritage in current political and moral debates. It’s stupid. And yet, both the Jews and the Palestinians do it.You're intentionally ignoring my point? The claim that Palestinians are really just Egyptians and Jordanians also can't be backed up by the genetics. Nationality and ethnicity are socio-linguistic identities. Trying to find a scientific basis for them is always wrong, no matter what side of an argument you're on.
Yep. My personal test told me that years ago. Unless of course you are a Senator from Massachusetts.And genetically speaking, a lot of Israelis are Eastern European. So what? National identity can't be defined by genetic, precisely for the reasons you mentioned, among others.
U.S. (and others) policy towards the Middle East reinforces using ancestral heritage to solve the problem. Blinken reiterated that in the last couple of months.I
I just wish rational people would come together and denounce the use of ancestral heritage in current political and moral debates. It’s stupid. And yet, both the Jews and the Palestinians do it.
Well, that’s not going to help.U.S. (and others) policy towards the Middle East reinforces using ancestral heritage to solve the problem. Blinken reiterated that in the last couple of months.
That would be ideal. At the moment I'm setting my sights lower with pseudo-scientific justifications for it.I
I just wish rational people would come together and denounce the use of ancestral heritage in current political and moral debates. It’s stupid. And yet, both the Jews and the Palestinians do it.
I think there are justifications, but they are 100% cultural-emotional. If you are looking for scientific or pseudo scientific, you’ll never find it.That would be ideal. At the moment I'm setting my sights lower with pseudo-scientific justifications for it.
You're intentionally ignoring my point? The claim that Palestinians are really just Egyptians and Jordanians also can't be backed up by the genetics. Nationality and ethnicity are socio-linguistic identities. Trying to find a scientific basis for them is always wrong, no matter what side of an argument you're on.
Egyptian markers and Levantine markers don't exist, either. It's all determined by how the testing company decides to categorize people. None of it is inherently meaningful.No, for this specific girl she had genetic markers with people who came from Egypt and the "Levant" generally. She is pissed that there isn't a "Palestinian" identified marker and that is because no such thing exists. There doesn't appear to be a Syrian, Jordanian, or Lebanese marker either because they are all Levantine.
Egyptian markers and Levantine markers don't exist, either. It's all determined by how the testing company decides to categorize people. None of it is inherently meaningful.
Yes, but do you identify as English or German? Can I come along and say American isn't a real identity, because we are all really just a mix of English and German (and Irish and Italian)? No, that would be stupid. It's equally stupid to claim genetics show Palestinian isn't a real ethnic or national identity.It is meaningful to the extent that I have markers that are going to be shared by a bunch of people in England and Germany because a bunch of my ancestors came from those areas.
It has some value but I don't think it can be used to claim ownership of something in the here and now.
I think there are justifications, but they are 100% cultural-emotional. If you are looking for scientific or pseudo scientific, you’ll never find it.
In the ME, there is too many inconsistencies in ancestry, we need to just go with practicality. This is why I’m now firmly in the one state solution camp. I’ve picked a side.
You're taking the wrong lesson out of this. The two state solution is the practical one. There are two communities there, like it or not.I think there are justifications, but they are 100% cultural-emotional. If you are looking for scientific or pseudo scientific, you’ll never find it.
In the ME, there is too many inconsistencies in ancestry, we need to just go with practicality. This is why I’m now firmly in the one state solution camp. I’ve picked a side.
You're taking the wrong lesson out of this. The two state solution is the practical one. There are two communities there, like it or not.
One side has repeatedly rejected that two state solution. That has been the case since before the creation of modern Israel and it remains the case to this day. And that rejection has always been to their detriment.
I still remain unconvinced it is the practical solution given the current attitudes of one of the parties (a video example of which I posted above). I still haven't seen a convincing argument that it would work without the complete overhaul of the Palestinians entire cultural belief system.
Sorry, that was sloppy of me. I was speaking only in the context of this insane debate about DNA. CO.H tried to draw some really strange connection between what I said about DNA and his conclusion that the one-state solution is the right outcome, and that just doesn't follow. Quite the opposite.One side has repeatedly rejected that two state solution. That has been the case since before the creation of modern Israel and it remains the case to this day. And that rejection has always been to their detriment.
I still remain unconvinced it is the practical solution given the current attitudes of one of the parties (a video example of which I posted above). I still haven't seen a convincing argument that it would work without the complete overhaul of the Palestinians entire cultural belief system.
Paradox: If there is no free will, there's really no good reason for you to be bothered by it, and yet you don't really have any choice in the matter.Sapolski is right. I just don't like it. No one really does. I think he admits that it's built into us to think we have agency.
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