It is a good discussion Goat. I somewhat disagree with you but I think this is the type of constructive give and take that we often find missing among the people we pick to run us.
Hope you have a Happy New Year.
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It is a good discussion Goat. I somewhat disagree with you but I think this is the type of constructive give and take that we often find missing among the people we pick to run us.
Hope you have a Happy New Year.
What happened on October 7 was inhuman. Worse than Hitler. Worse than Stalin. Worse than Mao, or Che. It was typical of savagery of centuries ago. That inhumanity was a product of Gaza. THE SAVAGES CAME FROM GAZA. Certainly not all Gazans, but the inhumanity was tolerated and supported by many. And taking humanitarian aid and using it to build fortifications, , tunnels, rocket storage and launching sites, training youngsters to hate Jews and training them in atrocities involved more Gazans than the savages who pulled off October 7.
October 7 was not warfare. It was not a raid. It wasn’t a killing field. It was an indescribable depravity that was taught and learned—in Gaza. .
Cleansing Gaza of the causes is good for the world, good for Israel, in in the long run very good for Gazans. Israel has taken every reasonable measure to protect innocents. Time for Hamas and Iran to do its part.
Punishing the perpetrators sounds so nice and clean, doesn't it? And fair.
Tell me how you do that when the perpetrators hide among the civilians and then we can have a discussion. Otherwise, you sound very naive.
Gee, I wonder where all their money go when all the Hamas leadership is killed?
Loved the comments about his obit in the NYT. "esteemed scholar" "freedom fighter"
I would revisit Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Their body counts and "savagery" are pretty impressive.
Israel gets a free pass for their mistreatment of Palestinians and their body count? What Hamas did was awful, but it didn't happen in a vacuum. You couldn't be more one-sided.
A former veteran I once heard talk about war said it best: those who have been to war become war's biggest opponents and wouldn't wish it on their worst enemies, while those who have never been are the biggest proponents of war.
Iran decided to send a couple of floating targets into the Red Sea. Well, they will be targets should they misbehave:
finance.yahoo.com
UPDATE 2-Iranian warship Alborz enters the Red Sea - Tasnim
Iran's Alborz warship has entered the Red Sea, the semi-official Tasnim news agency reported on Monday, at a time of soaring tensions on the key shipping route amid the Israel-Hamas war and attacks on vessels by forces allied to Tehran. Tasnim did not give details of the Alborz's mission but...
They would look good as new coral reefs.Iran decided to send a couple of floating targets into the Red Sea. Well, they will be targets should they misbehave:
UPDATE 2-Iranian warship Alborz enters the Red Sea - Tasnim
Iran's Alborz warship has entered the Red Sea, the semi-official Tasnim news agency reported on Monday, at a time of soaring tensions on the key shipping route amid the Israel-Hamas war and attacks on vessels by forces allied to Tehran. Tasnim did not give details of the Alborz's mission but...
Yeah their body counts were higher, way higher. But the personal one-on-one savagery doesn’t compare. I’m sure there were those who engaged in individual atrocities before, but Iran and Hamas used it as a weapon, at least according to most reports. We haven’t seen that for centuries.
Thats probably fair. I gave Hamas-Palestine the benefit of the doubt through the last several decades with their rockets and random suicide bombings and knifeings. 10/7 changed the rules. There is now only one side for human beings who have humanity. Cleansing Gaza of the motivations for 10/7 is good for Gazians too. ,
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Alan Rickman's final line in Eye in the Sky is one of the best lines and his delivery was magnificent. He was responding to a bureaucrat about her criticism of military action:
“Never tell a soldier that he does not know the cost of war.”
Apparent terrorist attack in Iran. Could be an interesting development.
www.theguardian.com
Almost 100 dead in blasts at Iran memorial for assassinated commander
Two explosions at Kerman ceremony marking anniversary of killing of Qassem Suleimani raise Middle East tensions further
Sometimes I can’t believe what my eyes are reading here. Comparisons are meaningful, but your scorecard is 🤮.
Apparent terrorist attack in Iran. Could be an interesting development.
Almost 100 dead in blasts at Iran memorial for assassinated commander
Two explosions at Kerman ceremony marking anniversary of killing of Qassem Suleimani raise Middle East tensions further
You would love to see that regime overthrown, maybe not with those tactics though. Too random...and I know that is going to get a WTF and how does that square with your view on Gaza. So, in short, I think there is much more of the Iranian population who isn't in agreement with their rulers. Not every problem is a nail and so a hammer isn't appropriate in every situation.
Hitler loaded Jews on trains and took them to extermination sites. Hamas didn’t bother. They exterminated Jews where they found them and did it in a deliberately heinous and unthinkable fashion. Hamas wasn’t satisfied with killing Jews. They did in a manner that inflicted maximum pain, humiliation and terror. They included Jewish infants. This is a product of Gaza.
Defending or even offering excuses for 10/7 is despicable. Rallying in support of this is a tell. You guys are just useful idiots of Jew hating internet influencers situated overseas, and I’m insulting idiots
No, sometimes Nazis killed Jews in their homes and on the street. Nazis also killed Jewish babies. They also sought maximum pain. Where are you getting this bullshit?
And who here is defending or excusing Hamas? Pointing out geopolitical underpinnings and reality of generations of grievances is important, not to mention US interests in the region.
Frankly, I don’t think you know much about any of this but your partisan news sources are suddenly informing you, so here you are…
Hmmmm...... would you rather be gassed or have nails driven into your genitals and have your body parts sliced off while someone is raping you?
Nazis did much more than gas people. Oh man, you don’t know and you don’t know what you don’t know. Spooky stuff.
Gonna tiptoe back outta this for the day…
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Don’t be so naive. The Hamas goons who live(ed) luxury elsewhere and their Iranian benefactors, planned the savagery knowing how Israel would respond. There was no other objective purpose to 10/7. This gives people like you, with the help of internet Jew hating influencers, reasons to keep on yapping about “geographical underpinnings” which are largely a crock anyway. It’s vital for them to keep the conflict alive. The American left is being played.
I never said that's all they did and I know plenty about it.
I don't blame you for wanting to back out of the conversation.
As well you should. It really makes no difference what Hitler did. We are talking about what happened on October 7. I think that shows human depravity not seen for centuries. You disagree. So what? What Hamas did was still unthinkable savagery.
You've chosen to die on a lot of hills on this forum. This is by far the most bizarre of all of them.
I’ll accept that. Condemning 10/7 massacre and the forces that brought it about should be a hill everyone should die on. Banal condemnations of all violence doesn’t cut it. I have no tolerance for those who now March in favor of Palestine throughout the US knowing that they march on the mutilated bodies of women, children and babies.
Pretty much everyone has condemned it. You're the only one who finds it important to defend the questionable proposition that it was worse than the Holocaust.
I love when people wise up and start turning on their oppressors.
The condemnation is pretty routine. Kinda what you’d expect from any kind of school shooting that has become a kinda regular occurrence. .
October 7 was far different. Its purpose, the planning, the participation of political and state leadership, ,the numbers of savages, their equipment and more anre different, All of this was directed mostly at women and kids with calculated atrocities. This isn’t some fighter going rogue. Yeah, I think it was the worst example of human savagery in 100’s years. I don’t care if I’m the only one who thinks that. Those who want to use this to talk about “historical underpinnings” are worse.
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Exactly right, why he doesn't know that amazes me. Lots of people were brutally and sadistically killed where they were found. Not just Jews of course, many other "undesirables" as well.
Below is an interesting article that points out why the camps became the choice. Murdering people in cold blood was causing psychological problems with the troops. They sought out camps to efficiently kill in ways that wouldn't do that. And ways that would not use bullets which were a critical necessity.
The start of the mass murder | Holocaust
Holocaust.cz portal represents a comprehensive and unique source of information on the topic of the Holocaust, racism and anti-semitism.
What a stupid idiom for an IU message board.
Stop taking yourself so seriously - your opinion doesn't mean more than anyone else's here. I know that's shocking news to you.
Something tells me the Israelis aren't too worried about Hezbollah staging an all-out attack. And, if they do, they'll be snuffed out.
Apparent terrorist attack in Iran. Could be an interesting development.
Almost 100 dead in blasts at Iran memorial for assassinated commander
Two explosions at Kerman ceremony marking anniversary of killing of Qassem Suleimani raise Middle East tensions further
NYT’s take on the incident
Tomb? There wasn’t enough left of Soleimani to bury.
That's a pretty weak complaint. What's wrong with calling him a spymaster? Was he not?
Murdering people in cold blood is not what Hamas did. I wonder if any of them have psychological problems for raping women to dearth or burning infants alive.Exactly right, why he doesn't know that amazes me. Lots of people were brutally and sadistically killed where they were found. Not just Jews of course, many other "undesirables" as well.
Below is an interesting article that points out why the camps became the choice. Murdering people in cold blood was causing psychological problems with the troops. They sought out camps to efficiently kill in ways that wouldn't do that. And ways that would not use bullets which were a critical necessity.
The start of the mass murder | Holocaust
Holocaust.cz portal represents a comprehensive and unique source of information on the topic of the Holocaust, racism and anti-semitism.www.holocaust.cz
German soldiers never did any of that, are you sure? Here is documentation of midwives drowning infants just after birth.
If you prefer the exact burning comparison:
And mass rape was a thing
Sexual Violence in the Holocaust: Perspectives from Ghettos and Camps in Ukraine | Heinrich Böll Stiftung | Kyiv - Ukraine
As historian Raul Hilberg argued, “The road to annihilation was marked by events that specifically affected men as men and women as women.”
