Israel under attack from Hamas
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This was close to a year ago:
Iran has enough enriched uraniam to build 'several' nuclear weapons, UN says
Iran has enough highly enriched uranium to build “several” nuclear weapons if it chooses, the United Nations' top nuclear official is now warning.www.pbs.org
Most sane people don't believe they've given up their nuclear weapons program...
You’re not reading. Iran is enriching more uranium, partly just to be assholes, but isn’t doing all the other unbelievable complicated, technical stuff you gotta do to launch and/ or detonate a nuclear weapon. Make sense?
That’s a hell of a lot of trouble to go to just to be assholes.
You were mocking the appearance of a kidnapping victim literally 5 posts ago.
it really is, but their hardliners love being dicks and it also gives them leverage.
I was trying to make a joke, which I guess didn't land. Whatever. I'm not the one who is effectively rooting for genocide.
The teenagers in my family don't spend their free time raping and murdering women nor were they taught to act that way from birth by the adults in our family. You also will not find readily available videos of them on the internet spitting on murdered and/or sexually assaulted women in the back of pick up trucks.
I repeat, what Israel is doing to Gaza is justice for the sick society that birthed everything in that article. It is as justified as anything we did to Nazi Germany.
It wasn't genocide when we punished Germany and it isn't genocide when Israel is doing the same now.
Israel is being restrained compared to what you've suggested you'd like to see.
Yeah they are and their citizens will eventually pay for it again at some point down the road. The problem is that words have meaning and what the Israelis are doing and what I think the actual solution to the problem is are not genocide. Neither they nor I have any intention of "destroying the Palestinians". The Israelis are intent on wiping out Hamas and are pushing forward with that even though they are racking up a body count. That is a just war. I would go a step further and relocate these people who cannot live with me to a place more in line with their cultural disposition. Much like Germans were expelled from neighboring countries after WW2.
We aren't allowed to do that anymore because even rabid people are people whose ****ed up cultures are to be respected these days. So at some point in the future more Israelis will be sacrificed for humanitarian reasons. Some other 13 and 15 year old girls will be raped and murdered by a bunch of savages in their own bedrooms. Another mother will be raped and burned in the middle of the road. Some more women will have their body parts cut off them while being simultaneously raped by a couple misunderstood Palestinians and we can do all this all over again. Every death, every rape being just another ante into the never ending game because it is humanitarian to continue to pretend that there isn't a very clear asshole here who just needs to go. I read that article and come away with ever hardened feelings of **** the Palestinians. They are assholes. The vast majority of them support everything that happened in that article so why should I care that it is revisited upon them now?
And yes, I know that isn't considered polite in the West, but I don't care.
You're right, I should have used the phrase ethnic cleansing.
As I said before, I appreciate your honesty on the subject. I'm glad you're being open with us about how you feel. But I do think it's awful you feel that way.
All the solutions are awful in my opinion. I think it is awful to not resolve this onvmce and for all so that 10 years from now more Israeli and Palestinian people aren't still in a position to do this to each other.
We have thrown two starving dogs into a cage and told them to sort things out but we always step in to save the weakest. It heals and lashes back out and the stronger beats it to a pulp again. Then we step in and rescue it. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. That cage may be the only home the weaker dog has ever known, but at a certain point the beatings are torture and allowing it to stay in the same cage or forcing the two of them together is abuse to both. One is never allowed to win and set the pack order and or expel the other.
My option is a short spasm of brutal violence and grief followed by a chance to grow into something different. The current state is managed bouts of extreme violence that are set to go on as far as the eye can see over the horizon. That article is awful. Even though I feel they deserve it, what is happening in Gaza is also awful. Maybe we should try a different approach.
Speaking of our exact discussion.
Israel-Gaza war live: Israeli minister calls for return of Jewish settlers to Gaza Strip after war
Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s finance minister, says Gaza’s Palestinian population should be encouraged to emigrate
Obviously we don’t….but they should have some skin in the game as well
You could volunteer to fight for the IDF. Or maybe send some of your younger relatives, if you're too old. Don't ask others to do it for you while you sit in the comfort of your couch, man up, do it yourself ... Get you some vengeance to sate your bloodlust ..
You have a very myopic propagandized American view of the world and I suspect you've spent very little time in other countries or around other cultures. Civilians never deserve to die only because they are of the same ethnicity or culture and live in the same area..... never.
What Hamas did was beyond heinous, what you're calling for is as bad. They at least had the balls to do it themselves, while you sit on your ass in the comfort of your house and cheer for more death and atrocity like it's nothing more than a rivalry football game..
smdh ..
We don’t. The French are continuously unreliable for joint operations.
So here's the deal. We really have two different issues here. On the one hand, you are raising the possibility that a - let's say, forced depopulation - of Gaza is the best solution in the long run because any other solution will only lead to more violence. Alright. We both seem to agree that such an idea is "awful," but you nevertheless think that it might be necessary. I can follow that. I don't know that I agree, but I can accept that it's a legitimate - if ugly - area of conversation.
But you're doing more in this thread than simply justifying a potential outcome on pragmatic grounds. You're also justifying violence against innocents on moral grounds. Saying the war prosecuted against Gaza is legal, okay. Militarily necessary, okay. But just? It's not just. There's nothing just about any of this. Punishing the perpetrators would be just. Punishing all of Gaza is not. It might be necessary, but it's not just, and we shouldn't be okay with it.
The U238 bullet design should be easy enough to recreate … and there is proof (little boy) that it works.
The spherical implosion (plutonium) design that led to the H-bomb was the tricky one.
I wonder if the Israeli intelligence hauls shows enough design work to demonstrate either.
Disagree. The military response is justice for the attack and the civilians are either unfortunate collateral damage in some cases or were directly or indirectly involved in others and therefore deserve to get bombed. The hostages were held in civilian homes.
I get it. It is on this point that I find your opinion to be so disagreeable. To me, it appears that you are dehumanizing the Gazans.
Welcome to the party, boys.
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Britain ‘considering airstrikes’ on Houthi rebels after Red Sea attacks
Defence secretary says UK would not hesitate to take ‘direct action’ after US sank boats targeting a container ship
good info. This techincal stuff is well beyond me. This suggests the issue is in shrinking the bomb to fit existing missile platforms.
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The real question is, how much a difference is there between Hamas and Palestinians? If you go by ideology, not much. If you go by actions, it’s a different story.
In the context of doling out death and destruction as punishment? It should be actions. We don't kill people for beliefs. Supposedly.
Are Palestinians Hamas?
Are Americans Libertarians?
Are Americans Progressives?
Are Americans Republicans?
Are Americans Democrats?
Maybe I’m not following. It seems the argument is that the Israelis are not to be killing Palestinians that are not Hamas?
No, the argument, at least from me, is that we shouldn't be celebrating it as some form of justice. It might be a necessity, but if it is, it's an ugly necessity.
We shouldn’t be celebrating but we also shouldn’t be condemning the Israelis.
I'm not condemning them. My argument right now in this thread is narrowly directed at Crazy and other posters who are posting things following the general theme of "Good they deserved it" in response to any Israeli action. And even then, I'm not condemning them. I'm only voicing my strong disagreement with their moral stance.
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Yeah we do. I mean, we didn't "intend" to kill a bunch of people when we did this but.....
Define celebrating. I don't think I am celebrating. It isn't celebrating when I say the accomplices to murder, even if they didn't pull the trigger, deserve their jail time. That is justice. I am not out here toasting their deaths, I am merely saying that I have no problem with what Israel is doing and that if I were Israeli (or we were facing a similar dilemma in the US) I would be willing to go further to resolve the issue.
1945 IUCrazy2, if he were alive then, would shed no tears over the bombing of Dresden because "they" deserved it. That is where I am at on this issue because I think Palestinian culture is rotten from the roots, just like Nazism had ruined the German culture. There is where the hope lies, the Germans went from complete whackadoodle to pretty normal people fairly quick. I think some underlying issues will make that more difficult here but it isn't impossible. However, none of that process can begin if Hamas or some other similar terrorist entity is left to consolidate power after all of this.
