I definitely would.
The coordination of this attack, however, isn't something that was planned in three weeks. I'm curious of how involved Russia is, since they support Iran.
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The coordination of this attack, however, isn't something that was planned in three weeks. I'm curious of how involved Russia is, since they support Iran.
No, I understand history and can read old maps. "Palestine" was a Roman province. The West Bank was Jordanian and Gaza was Egypt's before the Israelis beat their ass in 1967. Before 1948 the entire area was Trans-Jordan. The Arabs denied allowing the West Bank to become it's own state after Israel declared statehood in 1948 and Jordan occupied it shortly thereafter.
The people in Gaza aren't Palestinian. They are Arab. The people in the West Bank are Arab. And all of them (Jews included) trace some lineage back to ancient Canaanites.
"Palestinians" is a made up term for political reasons.
Plans and motivations? Really?
Since they affect us, yes. How can you people be so uncurious?
The entire earth blames Iran and Russia(by proxy) for this except the dumb f*ck Trumpers here in the US. Only in America are we that narcissistic to make everything about us.
Of course we can discuss Russia’s continuing support for Iran and Hezbollah but the narrative that Russia directed this and greenlit it is a very dangerous path to go down in the absence of information.
People are trying to tie the Ukraine war to Israel out of sheer grift
They would love that. Secretly they are rooting for Iran though. Putin is backing them and they love Putin.
I’m not curious about a liberal thought exercise a day after Hamas is kidnapping, raping, and killing women and children. I know you were trying to drive conversation, but it’s a little soon for that in my opinion.
No you just are a shallow thinker. Our intelligence agencies obviously missed this one. Cdc. Nih. Fbi. Etc. Our agencies aren’t doing well across the board the last x number of years.
The US needs to cut off Iran funding globally. Oil facilities, tankers, arms trade, illicit oil, drug trade….All of it
We already know their motivations and we don't care. Anyone who has been paying any attention for the past 20 years knows their motivations.
When you see women and children being hauled off showing signs of forcible rape, I don't care. I don't care they are mad about the settlements. I don't care they would rather sit in squalor to fight the jews than develop. I don't care they are butt hurt that they were on the losing side of a war that happened 56 years ago and are still butt hurt over it. I don't care they are mad about being under lockdown because they have been ****ing terrorists my entire life who can't be trusted outside the prison of their own making.
I understand. I don't care.
This is Iran. Likely the only input the Russians would have had (if any) was "do what you want, anything that distracts Europe and the US helps us."
“Egypt and Jordan are attempting to secure release of children and elderly taken hostage by Hamas”
Do they really think Hamas is going to give up human shields? No chance
Do they really think Hamas is going to give up human shields? No chance
It’s a terribly naive question. They haven’t changed. They’ve been publicly stated for a long time.
Except Israel seems equally intent on freeing hostages at this point. Not that their motives can't or won't eventually change.
Hezbollah doesn't have the hostages, Hamas does. That school is in southern Lebanon, that is Hezbollah.
(It gets confusing because every Arab country has its own terrorist group. Oil and terrorism, that is their exports.)
In that we're not people who make decisions or benefit from political grifting, I'd say it's OK and safe to discuss it. Besides, it doesn't make it an inaccurate hypothesis.
Russia would benefit from attentions diverting from their invasion and occupation of Ukraine. Not saying they were part of the planning, but I'm betting someone in the Kremlin knew it was coming.
why does it actually matter? So they attacked on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. So they attacked a musical festival with international civilians, where numerous American and Europeans are likely dead or captured, among other countries.
Their goal remains the same - they want land back that they believe is theirs. They would love to kill as many Jews as possible along the way, but land and independence is their primary motivation.
Why, it is almost as if there wasn't a way to impact that price that would have helped hurt two of our most active strategic competitors at the moment....
Biden is playing chess on a Shoots and Ladders board.
Total cowards. They are willing to have their own families blown up so they can kill Israelis.
That's the problem with fighting them - they have no conscience. Civilized people have a conscience.
Israel needs to go back to the policy of destroying the homes of any terrorists they identify. Israel should pay a bounty to anyone who identifies Hamas members and act accordingly.
It matters because we are involved and we should better understand what we are involved in. Hamas carried out this attack because that is what Hamas does, yes, but they also carried it out because the current trend in the Middle East - driven in no small part by American policy - is to sideline Palestinian interests.
When we discussed the Abraham Accords here, my take was this: "the Arab world has abandoned the Palestinians." That didn't come out of my ass.
Although, to be fair, it does have a certain direct, succinct meaning.
Pretty clear that was nothing more than a publicity stunt. Everyone knows the Arabs don’t like the Palestinians, which is why nobody will take them as refugees.
But, they see an opportunity to use them as pawns and sure as shit aren’t going to actually support Israel in the conflict. Their official statements made that clear.
They should be abandoned. They have turned down multiple offers to have their own space. From Arafat until now. You help delusional people when you stop feeding their delusions.
It has been a mistake to restrain Israel for the past 40+ years. What solves this problem is total victory. The Palestinians will have a better life when they realize it is over. You lost.
Russia supports Iran but they aren’t stupid. Anything they did is going to be linked to Iran and there’s no way they’ll be directly linked.
Yes, and I use that phrase myself. But I'm not the intellectual Goat thinks he is.
No shit Blinken. It’s been confirmed already by people who are serious
Here is my theory
Iran - "Hey Russia, we want to conduct a major attack against Israel, will you stop backing us?"
Russia - "Nyet"
Who knows how accurate this is. We do know the nearly naked, dead, German girl in the back of the pickup was part of this festival.
If Hamas wanted to piss off the rest of the world, they succeeded.
They are their own worst enemy and have been since forever.
Nah, in less than a week people will be boohooing their destruction. The Arabs already are and the tolerantly naive in the West will be doing the equivocation they always do. There will be pressure for a "proportionate response" as soon as Israel really starts to put the hurt down.
ETA: And the people at that festival are the tolerantly naive. They never learn.
