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Israel under attack from Hamas

The six billion in escrow frees six billion held domestically for nefariousness purposes, that the escrow agent won’t approve. … Even if it hasn’t been spent yet.

The scale of the attack says to me that it was planned and funded without this six billion.

Hammas can’t realistically believe it can defeat the IDF … There is a game theory example where an ‘oppressed‘ agent will act in spite to just to inflict a loss on an ‘opponent’. Killing non-combatants indiscriminately and taking hostages maximizes the loss to the Israel, but at what price?

Perhaps the most concerning part is the whether the ransom demands for hostages took a nonlinear step, and emboldened those willing to risk hostage taking as the rewards increased.
The money can be seized again.
 
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It's not Dems per se, it's liberalism and more importantly - leftism. It's policy and lack of policy. It's principle and lack of principle. It's understanding what is good and what is evil, it's understanding what causes peace and what causes war, it's knowing those that cause war and those that don't. It's weakness vs strength.

Appeasing evil and those that threaten it has never worked. Never will. Encourage it, strike deals with it and you get it back. Deal with it or get dealt with.
The videos I’ve seen out of Israel today affected me more than most anything I’ve seen in my time on earth.

I don’t know how BiBi isn’t just in a blind rage right now.

They need to give Gaza and The West Bank 48 hours to vacate while IDF continues to go after Hamas targets. Then they should be flattened and brought under Israeli control.
 
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Whether Iran used any of the $6 billion against Israel this time is irrelevant. They will use it for terror in the future and the US can’t stop it. We paid the ransom and now they will use it to wreak havoc on us and our friends.

Zeke’s dumb comment that we can track is laughable in its insignificance.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/18/politics/iran-money-explainer/index.html. Here’s some information about my dumb comment. I find it laughable you didn’t research it before commenting.
 
Of course it hadn’t been spent. So what? Biden made a gesture and Iran gave him the finger. The treaty was canned, it was a suckers play. We gave Iran a plane- load of cash for that one too.
And yet there weren’t major attacks while we had a treaty. Who was the sucker? Surely not the guy who dismantled the treaty.
 
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You are a moron. There is no such thing as a “treaty” with nations who will deliberately kill innocents.

Anyone that would support such a treaty is a vile piece of shit. Like you and Zeke.
Go **** yourself. You’ve proven time and again you are a ****ing moron. When did I ever suggest there was a treaty with Iran? Seriously, you are utterly clueless. And I can’t believe you’re allowed to continue posting your crap here? How many times you’ve been banned now? Your momma would be proud of the asshole she raised. Seriously. GFY.
 
Go **** yourself. You’ve proven time and again you are a ****ing moron. When did I ever suggest there was a treaty with Iran? Seriously, you are utterly clueless. And I can’t believe you’re allowed to continue posting your crap here? How many times you’ve been banned now? Your momma would be proud of the asshole she raised. Seriously. GFY.
Get him out of here.
 
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Here’s what Fred Gutenberg has to say ( hint: he’s Jewish) : Now is the time ro stand with Israel. If you are a GOP candidate using this attack to push bullshit like this about Biden , which you know is a lie , then you are an ignorant, misinformed, and unserious person who has no business trying to lead America.
in response to Mike Pence criticism of Biden, basically saying what many of you are.
 
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/18/politics/iran-money-explainer/index.html. Here’s some information about my dumb comment. I find it laughable you didn’t research it before commenting.


The $6 billion is just the most recent.
 
And Gaza is not a particularly large area, apparently about twice the size of DC. For such a large volume of both terrorists and rockets to be coordinated it seems that some of the preparations should have been noticed. Mossad has to have deep agents infiltrated in such a small area of approximately 2.5 million people.

Gaza has been more or less a prison camp for twenty years.

The geopolitical knowledge in this thread couldn't fill a thimble.
 
It’s time to end this charade. Israel needs to level and occupy Gaza and the West Bank. Kill or expel all Palestinians.

Hamas is not an insurgent group you can fight in a normal war. This will just happen again if they follow the targeted strikes playbook. The only answer is to get all non- Israeli Muslims out of the territory, with force, and settle this dispute once and for all.

Wow. Where has this high brow intelligence been for the last 70 years?

Your plan is to just exterminate 5M people?
 
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine how hundreds (thousands?) of rockets can be procured and set up to launch in a coordinated fashion without anyone catching wind of it. Makes you wonder if our (and the Israeli's) vaunted intelligence community is all it's cracked up to me.
You mean the intelligence community who said the laptop was Russian disinformation?
 
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine how hundreds (thousands?) of rockets can be procured and set up to launch in a coordinated fashion without anyone catching wind of it. Makes you wonder if our (and the Israeli's) vaunted intelligence community is all it's cracked up to me.

Here's the thing with intelligence....

For every one that's correct, and they do their job... nobody will ever hear a thing about it.

When they fk up.... everyone knows. Bad day of the IC.
 
That's what happens when you give support to Ukrainian Nazis. Makes the terrorists feel they have the green light.
Part of me wants to block you because you are such a moron, but at least right now, I'm curious to see if you can spiral downward even moreso into total idiocy
 
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If I move to a red state the cost of living will most likely be lower, I will be relatively smarter and absolutely thinner. But I'm afraid my head might explode.
 
I meant discuss what specifically? The interesting political reactions?
What Hamas' plans and motivations are. What kind of intelligence failure this is for Israel, US, UK. How we're involved. What it means for Ukraine. Hard to imagine us seriously discussing any of those here without it devolving into a Trump vs Biden thing.
 
What Hamas' plans and motivations are. What kind of intelligence failure this is for Israel, US, UK. How we're involved. What it means for Ukraine. Hard to imagine us seriously discussing any of those here without it devolving into a Trump vs Biden thing.
What we saw Hamas live-stream, I’m not sure I care about their motivations or their PR campaign going forward.

I think the correlation with Ukraine is nonsense.
 
Why shouldn’t we be moving U.S. military forces to Israel as we speak? The barbaric, Muslim world has clearly coordinated these attacks with support from several Muslim heads of state.


It would be great if we still had a base of operations in the area, say, Afghanistan maybe?, but we abandoned that for political points (what a backfire).
Oh I agree . A naval blockade would be quite effective.
 
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What we saw Hamas live-stream, I’m not sure I care about their motivations or their PR campaign going forward.

I think the correlation with Ukraine is nonsense.
I already know their motivations. We have done this dance before multiple times over my lifetime. Their motivations are in their charter.

As to @twenty02 point that Gaza has been a prison camp and nobody here has any geopolitical sense, pssh. Gaza is in a situation of their own choosing. The Egyyptian Arabs in Gaza and the Jordanian Arabs in the West Bank were offered, on multiple occasions, the ability to self rule. Their leadership turned it down. In the case of Gaza, they elected Hamas to be their political leadership. Yes, Hamas is a bunch of terrorists but they are also the elected representatives of the Gazans.

For the Israelis this is existential. I think they should fight until total capitulation of the Arabs in territory under their control. Only when they have been de-Hamasified should the war end. Gaza is run by the most true representation of the Nazi Party we still have on this planet. I feel for them like my Grandparent's generation felt about the Germans and Japanese when we firebombed and nuclear bombed their cities. They had grievances too and nobody gave a shit. Sometimes you just have to destroy the problem. Does that mean wiping out 5 million people? No, but it probably means putting the majority of them in a world of hurt.

War is supposed to be terrible. The Israelis failing to hit that rocket launcher up above because it is near a mosque or school is stupid. At a certain point the Arab civilians choose to be a part of that, choices have consequences.
 
Why shouldn’t we be moving U.S. military forces to Israel as we speak? The barbaric, Muslim world has clearly coordinated these attacks with support from several Muslim heads of state.


It would be great if we still had a base of operations in the area, say, Afghanistan maybe?, but we abandoned that for political points (what a backfire).
We have more than 30,000 US military in the Middle East. We have them in Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar, among others. Then we have 10s of thousands more in Europe, including naval forces in the Med, which all can reach Israel quickly. However, we'll not be sending any Americans into Israel. Israel will defend itself.
 
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They wanted death to Israel last week, too. They're are reasons for this attack, but you don't care to understand anything. Simply naming the enemy is enough for you.
Their reasons matter no more than Hitlers for wiping out the Jews. Hamas is no better than Hitler. But you go ahead and tell us their noble cause for wiping Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth.
 
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What Hamas' plans and motivations are. What kind of intelligence failure this is for Israel, US, UK. How we're involved. What it means for Ukraine. Hard to imagine us seriously discussing any of those here without it devolving into a Trump vs Biden thing.


They celebrate this this and much more. And those are "moderate" Muslims in Canada. You can find them celebrating all over Europe and the Middle East. At a certain point I don't much care for their motivations. I already know what the. "Tby are. Their plans are oft stated. "Death to Israel" and "Death to the USA". What would you like to seriously discuss? "The Israelis occupied that land." Yep, after they were attacked by every neighbor and none of those neighbors would negotiate their return. "The Israelis are settling it." It's their damn country. It has been for longer than I have been alive. The Arab residents of the new Israeli territory have chosen to live as antagonists and have used aid to build weapons instead of an economy.

**** them. They are a problem wherever they go. At a certain point I don't give a rat's ass about the grievances of dark age barbarians. At a certain point, like with the Ukrainians fighting the Russians, you just have to pick a side and hope for the destruction of the other. The Arabs need to lose. They need to lose so terribly that any idea of "Death to Israel" or "Death to America" is viewed as a pipe dream by the rank and file Muslims in their midst.

At a certain point I don't care why the murderer murders, I just want the murderer dealt with. I hope Israel deals with the murderers and their supporters.

And I am catching reports that some Americans may have been taken hostage and/or killed as well. I don't care about their motivations. I care about sending them to their virgins. Post haste.
 
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