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Israel under attack from Hamas

F*ck you, too. You and crazy are such assholes that you can't even read what I actually wrote. Instead you read what you imagine a caricature of me in fantasy right wing land would have said.
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I've been conflicted over the years of what the right position is but I'm now convinced more than ever that there is only one way this will ever end. Might as well get it over with.
Agreed. And when I say “them”, I mean Hamas. Unfortunately a lot of innocent Palestinians are going to die in the process.

In the coming weeks. The regressive left will take the bait. They’ll start amplifying Hamas propaganda and pointing to all the dead Palestinians. It gonna be ugly. Hopefully this administration can keep its nerve.
 
F*ck you, too. You and crazy are such assholes that you can't even read what I actually wrote. Instead you read what you imagine a caricature of me in fantasy right wing land would have said.

Relax goat. Usually you don’t let people push your buttons so easily.

To go back to your curiosity, how much do we think the political internal conflict in Israel created an opportunity? There’s no doubt that Israeli enemies saw plenty of benefit from a weaker and less unified state.

I’m guessing the same views are happening in Europe and the US with the increased polarization in the Western world.
 
Agreed. And when I say “them”, I mean Hamas. Unfortunately a lot of innocent Palestinians are going to die in the process.

In the coming weeks. The regressive left will take the bait. They’ll start amplifying Hamas propaganda and pointing to all the dead Palestinians. It gonna be ugly. Hopefully this administration can keep its nerve.
This. Recent events have shown that the progressive left will support nearly any cause, no matter the lunacy. They’d rather have our intelligence community looking inward than at terrorist organizations. The Trumpers have nothing on them when it comes to falling for grifts…
 
Relax goat. Usually you don’t let people push your buttons so easily.

To go back to your curiosity, how much do we think the political internal conflict in Israel created an opportunity? There’s no doubt that Israeli enemies saw plenty of benefit from a weaker and less unified state.

I’m guessing the same views are happening in Europe and the US with the increased polarization in the Western world.
I think there are a lot of things that worked in favor of the timing. Israeli internal conflict is probably over if them.

But ultimately it's about Hamas staying relevant, isn't it? They know they can't win a war. All they can do is get in the news and then go back underground.
 
Where’s Robert Malley today?

When are folks like Malley going to understand capitulating to these radicals gets you nowhere? They want us gone. Anything short of that doesn’t interest them.

People who think like Malley need to meet face to face Hamas and other terrorist groups in an operation like just happened in Israel.
 
I think there are a lot of things that worked in favor of the timing. Israeli internal conflict is probably over if them.

But ultimately it's about Hamas staying relevant, isn't it? They know they can't win a war. All they can do is get in the news and then go back underground.

Do we know that Hamas actually knows it can’t win a war? I’ve guess many of them actually believe they can and that they’ll get backing from other Arab countries.
 
Nah, in less than a week people will be boohooing their destruction. The Arabs already are and the tolerantly naive in the West will be doing the equivocation they always do. There will be pressure for a "proportionate response" as soon as Israel really starts to put the hurt down.

ETA: And the people at that festival are the tolerantly naive. They never learn.
I don't think Israel really cares what the rest of the world thinks.
 
Relax goat. Usually you don’t let people push your buttons so easily.

To go back to your curiosity, how much do we think the political internal conflict in Israel created an opportunity? There’s no doubt that Israeli enemies saw plenty of benefit from a weaker and less unified state.

I’m guessing the same views are happening in Europe and the US with the increased polarization in the Western world.
Our opulent chicken is coming home to roost. We can no longer get by with beliefs that we are the richest nation in earth, therefore we can do “x”. We can no longer engage in luxurious beliefs that result in government by stupid and incompetent (not to mention senile ) people, so long as they check the right boxes, and hope to continue as an important world leader. We need the best and the brightest in all places of importance and a return to basics from the kindergarten classrooms to the Oval Office.
 
Does it take a cold SOB to say, "Damn, a lot of people are dying, I need to run as fast as possible to my computer and blame Biden"?
No, we should just ignore the actions of a brain-dead geriatric who is giving money to the main funder of Middle East terrorism.
 
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When are folks like Malley going to understand capitulating to these radicals gets you nowhere? They want us gone. Anything short of that doesn’t interest them.

People who think like Malley need to meet face to face Hamas and other terrorist groups in an operation like just happened in Israel.
Words cannot express how much chaos the foreign policy establishment of the high minded Clinton/ Obama/ Biden administrations has sewn across the world, particularly the Middle East. Americans don’t vote based on Foreign policy, but if they did, none of these jokers would be allowed near government again.
 
Progress on the Administration's talks between Saudi and Israel was likely the real motivation.

Wait - aren't you one of the ones who said this wasn't a quick decision to attack?

But now you're saying a discussion held with the Saudis last week was the cause.

Make up your (confused) mind.
 
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Do we know that Hamas actually knows it can’t win a war? I’ve guess many of them actually believe they can and that they’ll get backing from other Arab countries.
I think if they thought they could win a war, they'd already have launched a war. I do think they believe they have a chance with the Arab world backing them, but again, that's the rub right now. I don't think they have much confidence in the Arab world.
 
F*ck you, too. You and crazy are such assholes that you can't even read what I actually wrote. Instead you read what you imagine a caricature of me in fantasy right wing land would have said.
And there it is. Stoll and Crazy just don't understand you.

Your MO is really old. Stop being a victim and state your views and quit whining about everyone else.
 
No you just are a shallow thinker. Our intelligence agencies obviously missed this one. Cdc. Nih. Fbi. Etc. Our agencies aren’t doing well across the board the last x number of years.
An interesting investigation will be;

Given that the American and Israeli intelligence have every financial and technological weapon available, unlimited logistics and control mechanisms to include assassination and disappearing of foes real and imagined...what were these all-powerful bureaucracies
so engaged with that the Hamas could execute this attack?
 
An interesting investigation will be;

Given that the American and Israeli intelligence have every financial and technological weapon available, unlimited logistics and control mechanisms to include assassination and disappearing of foes real and imagined...what were these all-powerful bureaucracies
so engaged with that the Hamas could execute this attack?
Our government agencies are now filled with identity hires. We're seeing the results.
 
You and stoll and most others in this thread have lost the ability to examine issues beyond taking sides. It's so bad that you assume my desire to examine it more deeply is a sign I support the wrong side. The truth is, I care about the details because we (America) are in this, and the details may control how many Americans live or die in the future.

All you guys can think of is "wipe them out" like it's a ****ing video game.
Please point out anywhere I said you specifically support anything.
 
The Germans had reasons in WW2, so did the Japanese. Thankfully nobody at that time gave a rat's ass when it was time to deal with them.
No … there were no credible reasons … for Genocide … then or now. Not sure Japanese behavior in East Asia and the Philippines was much better … but I don’t recall hearing of Japanese systematic, genocidal death squads like those following the Panzers in Eastern Europe.
 
No … there were no credible reasons … for Genocide … then or now. Not sure Japanese behavior in East Asia and the Philippines was much better … but I don’t recall hearing of Japanese systematic, genocidal death squads like those following the Panzers in Eastern Europe.
I mean, if we're going to be more sensitive to our enemy's motives, shouldn't we consider all those poor Russians who were living in Ukraine before the 'special military operation'?
 
No … there were no credible reasons … for Genocide … then or now. Not sure Japanese behavior in East Asia and the Philippines was much better … but I don’t recall hearing of Japanese systematic, genocidal death squads like those following the Panzers in Eastern Europe.
The millions of Chinese civilians murdered by the Japanese would beg to differ.
 
I think if they thought they could win a war, they'd already have launched a war. I do think they believe they have a chance with the Arab world backing them, but again, that's the rub right now. I don't think they have much confidence in the Arab world.

Possibly they needed to get resupplied from Iran, Qatar and others. I think they did recon and realized the Israelis were lax on their defenses since things had been more calm for the past few months.

I think they have the same confidence now as any recent time, even if it’s low. They are banking on support.

What makes the whole Iranian situation complicated are things like this:



The people of Iran clearly aren’t aligned with their government, at least as of now.
 
An interesting investigation will be;

Given that the American and Israeli intelligence have every financial and technological weapon available, unlimited logistics and control mechanisms to include assassination and disappearing of foes real and imagined...what were these all-powerful bureaucracies
so engaged with that the Hamas could execute this attack?
Anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic, conspiracy riddled morons like yourself will have a field day I’m sure.
 
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No … there were no credible reasons … for Genocide … then or now. Not sure Japanese behavior in East Asia and the Philippines was much better … but I don’t recall hearing of Japanese systematic, genocidal death squads like those following the Panzers in Eastern Europe.
I didn't say credible reasons. I said reasons. Hamas reasons aren't credible either.
 
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