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Israel under attack from Hamas

Syrian state media reporting Israeli attacks on airports in Damascus and Aleppo, per Guardian. I don't see what Israeli has to gain by doing that so I'm assuming it's BS, but there it is, just in case.
The only reason I could see is if they got intelligence that a high ranking Hamas or Al Quds person was on the ground. Kind of like what we did with Soleimani. Short of that, who knows?
 
Sorry for interrupting this lovers quarrel, but we added like 300 billion last month to the deficit and are on track for 2 trillionish this year.

A quick side note. How awesome would it be if you two got married? You’d have to invite everyone on the board. @VanPastorMan could officiate the wedding. @larsIU could be the best man. And maybe @UncleMark could give zeke away? I’d love to do the reading. Maybe a few Ayn Rand quotes. I’m sure the Dream Team could run security. I is cray getting an invite?

P.S. my wedding gift is Bitcoin
When they got to the "if anyone has any objections" part, I would calmly clear my throat and raise my hand.

Just for spite.
 
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And for the millionth time, that was the last and most recent transaction. You keep ignoring the other instances where first Obama and then Biden flat out gave cash and/or made it easier for them to obtain money by easing economic restrictions. Obama gave them almost $2 billion in cash 7 years ago and said it was the only way he could give them money he shouldn't have been giving them in the first place. The political right has criticized the JCPOA for exactly this reason (among otherd) for nearly a decade. More recently Biden started giving the Palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars (that Trump had cut off) even in the face of his own advisors saying it would end up in the hands of terrorists.

The most recent $6 billion was just an indication that Iran didn't need to keep its powder dry. Use up the rockets you have boys because more are on the way. THAT is where Obama/Biden bear some responsibility.

There is a fair question about us loosening restrictions on Iran. And I will agree it looks like a bad idea. But.

It appears that most of the damage was done by AK47s. In much of the world it is as ubiquitous as water. In the Middle East, probably more than water. The weapons and ammo used to create most of the deaths probably could be funded by many individuals on this board.

Now the rockets do cost more (I suspect, I've never priced them but God know every 4th of July people in my neighborhood sure put on one hell of a rocketry display). But even at that, we have had North Korea locked down for a LOOONG time and they could easily contribute to a much bigger display than Hamas has. Even under Maximun Pressure, Iran had troops across the Middle East spreading death and destruction. They had and still have major military posts in Syria. As another example, Cuba sent mercenaries around the world under sanctions.

I agree with the conservatives that we should keep Iran on a short lease. I just happen to also think they can carry all this out without our spending (recall, Russia is quite willing to help Iran militarily). Hamas didn't use state-of-the-art equipment. I don't know that they needed American money to do what they did. Maybe, just maybe, they would have had fewer rockets. That wouldn't have appreciably changed the death toll.

Okay, a quick look shows Hamas' rockets are estimated around $600. So to launch 1000 rockets would cost $600,000 dollars. I don't know that would be beyond Iranian means. Much like North Korea, they are quite willing to let their people go hungry to procure the military equipment they want.

 
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I advised you to stop lying about this. You refuse to do so, and continue to post this falsehood.

It is possible to love my country but not it's government, a dichotomy beyond your comprehension.

You're publicly embarrassing yourself.
I searched and I remembered incorrectly. It was a 700,000 man winter offensive according to earlier references to it. It might have been another Russia backing poster that originally posted it. The original post appears to be deleted. Since most of your pro-Russia posts are clearly false propaganda, I was certain it was you. You say it wasn’t?
 
The only reason I could see is if they got intelligence that a high ranking Hamas or Al Quds person was on the ground. Kind of like what we did with Soleimani. Short of that, who knows?
The tweet JDB shared sums it up I think.



It's also a clever way to continue to shine a light on the U.S.'s weak kneed stance towards Iran and make sure our support doesn't waiver after Palestinian bodies start piling up.
 
I searched and I remembered incorrectly. It was a 700,000 man winter offensive according to earlier references to it. It might have been another Russia backing poster that originally posted it. The original post appears to be deleted. Since most of your pro-Russia posts are clearly false propaganda, I was certain it was you. You say it wasn’t?
I searched also, and have given you several opportunities to correct your misinformation. Now, you have 'remembered incorrectly'....
 
There is a fair question about us loosening restrictions on Iran. And I will agree it looks like a bad idea. But.

It appears that most of the damage was done by AK47s. In much of the world it is as ubiquitous as water. In the Middle East, probably more than water. The weapons and ammo used to create most of the deaths probably could be funded by many individuals on this board.

Now the rockets do cost more (I suspect, I've never priced them but God know every 4th of July people in my neighborhood sure put on one hell of a rocketry display). But even at that, we have had North Korea locked down for a LOOONG time and they could easily contribute to a much bigger display than Hamas has. Even under Maximun Pressure, Iran had troops across the Middle East spreading death and destruction. They had and still have major military posts in Syria. As another example, Cuba sent mercenaries around the world under sanctions.

I agree with the conservatives that we should keep Iran on a short lease. I just happen to also think they can carry all this out without our spending (recall, Russia is quite willing to help Iran militarily). Hamas didn't use state-of-the-art equipment. I don't know that they needed American money to do what they did. Maybe, just maybe, they would have had fewer rockets. That wouldn't have appreciably changed the death toll.

Okay, a quick look shows Hamas' rockets are estimated around $600. So to launch 1000 rockets would cost $600,000 dollars. I don't know that would be beyond Iranian means. Much like North Korea, they are quite willing to let their people go hungry to procure the military equipment they want.

It takes money to plan these attacks. To pay the fighters. To accumulate military intelligence. To build your own nuclear weapons program. Could Iran have helped pay for all this stuff without our help? Sure. Would they pay more of an opportunity cost without us freeing up money, absolutely. And for that the people who championed those policies deserve to be called to the floor for them.
 
Sorry for interrupting this lovers quarrel, but we added like 300 billion last month to the deficit and are on track for 2 trillionish this year.

A quick side note. How awesome would it be if you two got married? You’d have to invite everyone on the board. @VanPastorMan could officiate the wedding. @larsIU could be the best man. And maybe @UncleMark could give zeke away? I’d love to do the reading. Maybe a few Ayn Rand quotes. I’m sure the Dream Team could run security. I is cray getting an invite?

P.S. my wedding gift is Bitcoin
I think Murt has already ruled out Sabertoofs...
 
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covid not better. fauci and the libs were insane with lockdowns. unemployment was low under trump. job creation was a given in light of post pandemic. the deficit was held in check by manchin and losing the house. houses are more. cars are more. your spending power is less. gas is more. life is more. foreign policy is awful with wars. the border is a mess. progressives are clueless with crime and law enforcement. this is the worst administration of my lifetime by a wide margin. biden should go down as a historically horrible president. and i know he's not responsible for hte dire conditions but it is under his watch, like a coach, and god knows he's too old and too stupid to lead us to better conditions.
I knew you’d have a comeback for every one but statistics are statistics. How can you say Covid isn’t better? That’s just silly. Most of the lockdowns were under Trump.
 
Showing support for an organization when not understanding what they promote or advocate is literally, ignorance.
Like you show support for Trump every day here? But say you don’t like him?
 
I was wondering when you would get on your horse. This war is on day 6 for crying out loud and you've been largely silent. Welcome to the party.
As a Christian, seeing two ideologies which would gladly destroy my people engaged in destroying each other is less troubling to me than others. I freely acknowledge this.
 
It takes money to plan these attacks. To pay the fighters. To accumulate military intelligence. To build your own nuclear weapons program. Could Iran have helped pay for all this stuff without our help? Sure. Would they pay more of an opportunity cost without us freeing up money, absolutely. And for that the people who championed those policies deserve to be called to the floor for them.

Take all that and explain North Korea. I have been, and am, a believer in sanctions. But my belief is wavering. We made life hard for a lot of Cuban peasants, it never shortened Fidel's run by a single day. Hell, I think he held on longer to life just to spite America. We've done a great job of blocking North Korea from the world economy and from technology and from natural resources. Yet they have the 34th best military in the world. And in straight military power, they do better. It's their other things (natural resources to sustain a war effort for example) that really drop them.


I'm agreeing that we should not be sending money to Iran. I am just saying history doesn't seem to indicate sanctions are effective. North Korea and Cuba haven't been stirring successes in the sanctions front. Sadly, it seems to make the people believe their government isn't to blame for their hunger, the US is.
 
I knew you’d have a comeback for every one but statistics are statistics. How can you say Covid isn’t better? That’s just silly. Most of the lockdowns were under Trump.
The lockdowns were by local Dems listening to fauci garbage that went on too long. Yes stats are stats. Life is incredibly more expensive under Biden.
 
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The lockdowns were by local Dems listening to fauci garbage that went on too long. Yes stats are stats. Life is incredibly more expensive under Biden.
Of course it is. Inflation is worldwide, as you know. The US inflation number is lowest in the world. You said Covid is not better. Who is locking down now?
 
Take all that and explain North Korea. I have been, and am, a believer in sanctions. But my belief is wavering. We made life hard for a lot of Cuban peasants, it never shortened Fidel's run by a single day. Hell, I think he held on longer to life just to spite America. We've done a great job of blocking North Korea from the world economy and from technology and from natural resources. Yet they have the 34th best military in the world. And in straight military power, they do better. It's their other things (natural resources to sustain a war effort for example) that really drop them.


I'm agreeing that we should not be sending money to Iran. I am just saying history doesn't seem to indicate sanctions are effective. North Korea and Cuba haven't been stirring successes in the sanctions front. Sadly, it seems to make the people believe their government isn't to blame for their hunger, the US is.
Again, just because they can eventually figure out things themselves doesn't mean we need to help. Remove the sanctions. If the general North Koreans life was appreciably better and North Korea had more money to play with and if countries like Pakistan could have openly traded with them in things like nuclear know how, do you think that leads to a better outcome?
 
I searched and I remembered incorrectly. It was a 700,000 man winter offensive according to earlier references to it. It might have been another Russia backing poster that originally posted it. The original post appears to be deleted. Since most of your pro-Russia posts are clearly false propaganda, I was certain it was you. You say it wasn’t?
You didn't remember incorrectly. Mas is just lying as usual.

 
Of course it is. Inflation is worldwide, as you know. The US inflation number is lowest in the world. You said Covid is not better. Who is locking down now?
I don’t live worldwide. I live here. We have gone through this a billion times how all the free cheese HERE HERE HERE exacerbated our inflation. Biden has no idea how to fix anything. He’s 80 years old and barely functioning
 
Lockdowns were not only D, Florida locked down for a month

Our Dem local leaders locked schools down for so long the red ag had to sue school districts. Now he is a U.S. senator. Covid masks and lockdowns were largely a product of virtue signaling from the left once their value expired.
 
I was impacted personally by Pritzker shutting down so Ill for no reason and the county shutting down schools. Both Dems. And I was in fla often during Covid. It was a night and day difference compared to here

Indiana is run by a Republican governor that shut our schools down in early to Mid March of that year and then announced in April that schools would remain closed but go to virtual learning.

Then the whole next year, they had to wear masks and weren't allowed recess or to eat with anyone else but their own class, actually having to eat in their classroom. They didn't go to gym, art, or computer science. If it wasn't in their classroom, they didn't get to do it.

That wasn't a Dem that made that decision, that was a Republican.

This was a two way street.
 
I was impacted personally by Pritzker shutting down so Ill for no reason and the county shutting down schools. Both Dems. And I was in fla often during Covid. It was a night and day difference compared to here
Doubtless, some places stayed closed too long. Some people also didn't take it seriously enough (see Cain, Herman as one example).

Schools could have opened sooner in many locations for all but those with at-risk conditions. Of course, we would have needed to work to incorporate them into school as we know the education they would have received would be some measure worse. In fact, we need to do studies on how to improve remote learning. More schools are going to it to replace snow days as an example. There has to be a way to make it work that we are missing. Heck, there are plenty of days I can recall having a fever and being kept home but could have sat through a class remotely.

We also were slow to recognize outdoor activities were virtually safe.

I think we see a party difference here. Many on this board prioritized what worked for healthy people with no other risks. Others prioritized what was necessary for the most vulnerable. And it broke heavily (except for Winners) by party. I'm kind of, the split the split-the-difference guy. We needed to protect the vulnerable as much as possible and until we had good data on what was happening. But we were too often doing too much/too long.
 
Doubtless, some places stayed closed too long. Some people also didn't take it seriously enough (see Cain, Herman as one example).

Schools could have opened sooner in many locations for all but those with at-risk conditions. Of course, we would have needed to work to incorporate them into school as we know the education they would have received would be some measure worse. In fact, we need to do studies on how to improve remote learning. More schools are going to it to replace snow days as an example. There has to be a way to make it work that we are missing. Heck, there are plenty of days I can recall having a fever and being kept home but could have sat through a class remotely.

We also were slow to recognize outdoor activities were virtually safe.

I think we see a party difference here. Many on this board prioritized what worked for healthy people with no other risks. Others prioritized what was necessary for the most vulnerable. And it broke heavily (except for Winners) by party. I'm kind of, the split the split-the-difference guy. We needed to protect the vulnerable as much as possible and until we had good data on what was happening. But we were too often doing too much/too long.
absolutely true. it was a party difference. @Baller23Boogie you're simply wrong in your assertion that it was a two way street. as marv notes it absolutely was a party difference and by county. county is the germane situs. you have to remember booger that the pandemic came in waves and while red counties shut down early on they were far faster to open up. to open everything up. it became political. when missouri counties were closed i was in naples and it was wide open. bars open. no masks etc. you can see this difference in deaths as well as the red counties began to see higher numbers of deaths compared to blue. not only lockdowns but vaccinations. you see fewer in the hardcore trump counties etc as the pandemic carried on
 
Doubtless, some places stayed closed too long. Some people also didn't take it seriously enough (see Cain, Herman as one example).

Schools could have opened sooner in many locations for all but those with at-risk conditions. Of course, we would have needed to work to incorporate them into school as we know the education they would have received would be some measure worse. In fact, we need to do studies on how to improve remote learning. More schools are going to it to replace snow days as an example. There has to be a way to make it work that we are missing. Heck, there are plenty of days I can recall having a fever and being kept home but could have sat through a class remotely.

We also were slow to recognize outdoor activities were virtually safe.

I think we see a party difference here. Many on this board prioritized what worked for healthy people with no other risks. Others prioritized what was necessary for the most vulnerable. And it broke heavily (except for Winners) by party. I'm kind of, the split the split-the-difference guy. We needed to protect the vulnerable as much as possible and until we had good data on what was happening. But we were too often doing too much/too long.

Sometimes I think I should be given a W2 because of all the virtual learning we do now.

Winter is just around the corner. I may take up drinking again.
 
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