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Israel under attack from Hamas

no one on this board is a greater sponge for propaganda than you are grover. no one. just a vapid moron
I can think of a few others, but no, none as bad as hick. Don't let the man get you down murt.

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I searched also, and have given you several opportunities to correct your misinformation. Now, you have 'remembered incorrectly'....
No, I actually remembered it correctly, I was just off by 50,000 on the top end. I had to refine my search a little to find it and I did. You said it would be 300 to 700 thousand Russians in this thread:


Post 11 and 126. You spout tons of Russian propaganda nonsense about Ukranian casualties and destroyed equipment in that thread. So, we're back to my legitimate question - what happened to that 300 to 700 thousand man Russian winter offensive you predicted would happen last winter?

You're publicly humiliating yourself with this Russophile propaganda. I thought you were an American soldier once . . . and a patriot.
 
And for the millionth time, that was the last and most recent transaction. You keep ignoring the other instances where first Obama and then Biden flat out gave cash and/or made it easier for them to obtain money by easing economic restrictions. Obama gave them almost $2 billion in cash 7 years ago and said it was the only way he could give them money he shouldn't have been giving them in the first place. The political right has criticized the JCPOA for exactly this reason (among otherd) for nearly a decade. More recently Biden started giving the Palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars (that Trump had cut off) even in the face of his own advisors saying it would end up in the hands of terrorists.

The most recent $6 billion was just an indication that Iran didn't need to keep its powder dry. Use up the rockets you have boys because more are on the way. THAT is where Obama/Biden bear some responsibility.
So where are we with the Russians? I'm sure Hamas isn't just riding on funneled money from Democratic Presidents via Iran. $6B barely buys a sports franchise, let alone fund a massive, coordinated land, air and sea strike of another country.
 
You totally missed the point. I was not defending selling anthrax to Iraq (I didn't, and don't), the point was that Iraq didn't use US weapons to kill the Kurds. Not US helicopters. Not US guns. Not anything US. The assertion was false, as was most in that post, yet you try to defend it.
You said we didn’t sell them any weapons, but continue with your semantics & disingenuous posting…
 
I worry about the impending ground incursion. Urban warfare is always hard on attackers. Hamas knows the terrain, all the hiding spots. They have had a long time to plant remote detonated bombs and other traps. Israel has to do what they have to do, but it may come at a large cost. This is where we find out how much Iran is buying, a lot of more modern anti-tank surely came through Iran.
 
kids are more resilient than you give them credit for and their inconvenience of remote learning was hardly as big of an issue as people dying from covid. It was necessary because hospitals were overcrowded and people that didn't even have covid were having issues receiving care. But screw them because your propaganda says social distancing and school closures were for pansies.

You are such a sheep for conservative propaganda.
Eh. He exaggerates truth to make his point. Then when people take issue with his initial exaggerations he course corrects and get mad at them for not knowing that's what he meant. I'd like to say this was unique to MC but it's not. We all do it.
 
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I worry about the impending ground incursion. Urban warfare is always hard on attackers. Hamas knows the terrain, all the hiding spots. They have had a long time to plant remote detonated bombs and other traps. Israel has to do what they have to do, but it may come at a large cost. This is where we find out how much Iran is buying, a lot of more modern anti-tank surely came through Iran.
I’ve listened to the military pointy heads discuss this. Even for a highly trained, special operations force these kinds of operations and at the scale of an area like Gaza are extremely deadly. The IDF is largely reservists and conscripted with no training or experience in this type of warfare. Their special operations forces are great but not nearly large enough to undertake this themselves.

To make matters worse in recent parallels like Mosul and Fallujah the civilian population had been largely cleared. Not going to be the case this time. Lastly, a tunnel system like the one in Gaza is unprecedented.

It seems impossible that many of those hostages are coming out alive. The amount of Palestinian civilian casualties will be many multiples of that of Israeli civilian casualties in the Saturday attack. And it’s all the fault of Hamas.
 
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Eh. He exaggerates truth to make his point. Then when people take issue with his initial exaggerations he course corrects and get mad at them for not knowing that's what he meant. I'd like to say this was unique to MC but it's not. We all do it.
You were arguing about cori bush the man. You are just amongst the uniformed. The problem is people posting with zero knowledge. That’s the problem with this board.
 
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Assuming they find a way to ensure safe passage for many Gazan’s (I’m dubious).

How would you possibly be able to delineate between innocent Palestinians and Hamas cowards or infiltrators simply looking to flee?
 
Holcomb was a shitbird, just like Newsom and the rest of them. Remember all the hell he caught for this picture?

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Then a couple of months later he imposed and then lifted the criminal penalties


Hypocritical POS.

Edit-That pic was prior to the mask mandate not after as I originally posted.
 
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You said we didn’t sell them any weapons, but continue with your semantics & disingenuous posting…
It's a fact that we didn't sell weapons to Iraq, but the point is that even the dual use items you talked about were not used by Iraq to kill Kurds. You also are hanging your hat where it doesn't belong. Dual use items, like helicopters, trucks and GPS don't mean that they WILL be used for military purposes, it means they COULD be, with modifications. We sell billions in dual use items which is never used for military purposes.
 
It's a fact that we didn't sell weapons to Iraq, but the point is that even the dual use items you talked about were not used by Iraq to kill Kurds. You also are hanging your hat where it doesn't belong. Dual use items, like helicopters, trucks and GPS don't mean that they WILL be used for military purposes, it means they COULD be, with modifications. We sell billions in dual use items which is never used for military purposes.

The way I think, if I sell you a baseball bat did I sell you a weapon? Is that true if you then use it to beat someone?

The anthrax and other bio/chems though are very problematic. We were scared to death of Iran winning that war and it was a bad mistake.

But to the rest, a computer chip can provide the brains to medical equipment, and to a missile. It is hard to distinguish.
 

I worry about the impending ground incursion. Urban warfare is always hard on attackers. Hamas knows the terrain, all the hiding spots. They have had a long time to plant remote detonated bombs and other traps. Israel has to do what they have to do, but it may come at a large cost. This is where we find out how much Iran is buying, a lot of more modern anti-tank surely came through Iran.
The private military contractors might be called in at a high price to help. I suspect they will section off the city and take a small section then proceed to the next section. Very tedious and dangerous.
 
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So where are we with the Russians?
I am not sure what you are asking here.
I'm sure Hamas isn't just riding on funneled money from Democratic Presidents via Iran.
Of course they aren't. They get money funneled to them from Europe and across the Middle East as well. You want to hammer down that I am arguing sole responsibility. I am not. That is silly. Obama/Biden weren't saying, "Here is some cash, go murder Jews." I am saying that any amount of cash you give to someone who has a stated goal of using some of their cash for terrorism is a defacto donation to terrorism. If the terrorist has $10 to spend and needs to buy food along with funding his terrorism and you say, "Hey, I got your falafel covered," he now has more money free to spend on terrorism. You only bought him dinner but you still donated to the cause no matter how altruistic you believe you were being.
$6B barely buys a sports franchise, let alone fund a massive, coordinated land, air and sea strike of another country.
See Marvin's post about the costs earlier in the thread. I think that the planning does cost a bunch of money but the actual weaponry comes relatively cheap. And again, $6 billion isn't there yet and only accounts for the most recent amount.
 
The way I think, if I sell you a baseball bat did I sell you a weapon? Is that true if you then use it to beat someone?

The anthrax and other bio/chems though are very problematic. We were scared to death of Iran winning that war and it was a bad mistake.

But to the rest, a computer chip can provide the brains to medical equipment, and to a missile. It is hard to distinguish.
We shouldn't have sold them anthrax. Non-military helicopters and trucks I don't care very much about. Iraq's order of battle when we defeated them was nearly 100 percent Soviet/Russian. They may have still had some French stuff (French will sell to just about anyone, by the way).
 
I worry about the impending ground incursion. Urban warfare is always hard on attackers. Hamas knows the terrain, all the hiding spots. They have had a long time to plant remote detonated bombs and other traps. Israel has to do what they have to do, but it may come at a large cost. This is where we find out how much Iran is buying, a lot of more modern anti-tank surely came through Iran.
Quite a bit of the terrain appears to have changed recently. (Not being flippant, but those bombed out blocks kind of remove the advantage of knowing the lay of the land as it was a week ago)
 
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Quite a bit of the terrain appears to have changed recently. (Not being flippant, but those bombed out blocks kind of remove the advantage of knowing the lay of the land as it was a week ago)

True, but it is also dang tough to clear rubble.

Also, unlike other environments, military force applied to urban terrain historically increases the difficulty of conducting operations in it. The preparatory and assaulting fires from airstrikes, artillery, and mortars creates rubble that in turn makes the terrain easier to defend and harder to attack. The rubble blocks vehicle movements and, in many cases, creates even stronger fortifications than the buildings provided while standing. The commanding officer of the US mission in support of the Iraqi Army during the final battle to liberate Mosul in 2017, Gen. Stephen Townsend, described it by saying, “The buildings had been turned into bunkers. Imagine a five-story building and the top four floors are gone. They’re rubble now and that rubble is twenty and thirty feet deep on top of the first floor and the basement floor. . . . You couldn’t build a better bomb-proof shelter than that. If you tried to erect it, it would be easier to penetrate that with our munitions than the accidental bunkers created by rubble.”​
 
Seems like they're all about the same 🫤

Their leadership? All of those kids are listed as attending UNRWA schools (United Nations Relief and Works Agency). We're paying for that hate.

 
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True, but it is also dang tough to clear rubble.

Also, unlike other environments, military force applied to urban terrain historically increases the difficulty of conducting operations in it. The preparatory and assaulting fires from airstrikes, artillery, and mortars creates rubble that in turn makes the terrain easier to defend and harder to attack. The rubble blocks vehicle movements and, in many cases, creates even stronger fortifications than the buildings provided while standing. The commanding officer of the US mission in support of the Iraqi Army during the final battle to liberate Mosul in 2017, Gen. Stephen Townsend, described it by saying, “The buildings had been turned into bunkers. Imagine a five-story building and the top four floors are gone. They’re rubble now and that rubble is twenty and thirty feet deep on top of the first floor and the basement floor. . . . You couldn’t build a better bomb-proof shelter than that. If you tried to erect it, it would be easier to penetrate that with our munitions than the accidental bunkers created by rubble.”​
True. Then again the point that 4 stories of rubble on top of a first floor or basement making a good bunker doesn't seem as apt to me as it does to them. That sounds like one bomb away from being sealed in a tomb.
 
I’m concerned Abbott and DeSantis will volunteer to fly them to US sanctuary cities. Just kidding. I think 🤔
No, the DeSantis plan would be for Israel to load them on planes or busses and they just show up in Tehran or Istanbul in the middle of the night.
 
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The way I think, if I sell you a baseball bat did I sell you a weapon? Is that true if you then use it to beat someone?

The anthrax and other bio/chems though are very problematic. We were scared to death of Iran winning that war and it was a bad mistake.

But to the rest, a computer chip can provide the brains to medical equipment, and to a missile. It is hard to distinguish.
If I know you don’t play baseball & are going to bash someone’s head in with it, then yes, I sold you a weapon. By Aloha’s logic, if they tell us they’re just going to use them for target practice, we can sell them guns & they’re not a weapon.😂😂😂
IMO, Aloha likely knows this but is being disingenuous to try to save face having declared himself the expert. I am no expert, but I can read an official report outlining how we sold dual use items that were clearly going to be used as weapons…
 
Then you can't say it was a Dem thing when I just showed you a Republican was doing it, especially when this is a Indiana message board where many of us live.
Holcomb was also a speaker at the WEF Forum in Davos...
.so there's that..

There's little disssent in the Uniparty.
 
It appears Qatar has said they will not release the $6 billion to Iran. If true, and if Iran was in fact using other money counting on this, great. They have put themselves in a hole.

 
No, I actually remembered it correctly, I was just off by 50,000 on the top end. I had to refine my search a little to find it and I did. You said it would be 300 to 700 thousand Russians in this thread:


Post 11 and 126. You spout tons of Russian propaganda nonsense about Ukranian casualties and destroyed equipment in that thread. So, we're back to my legitimate question - what happened to that 300 to 700 thousand man Russian winter offensive you predicted would happen last winter?

You're publicly humiliating yourself with this Russophile propaganda. I thought you were an American soldier once . . . and a patriot.
And did you find the 750 number anywhere in the post?

Did you find the word guaranteed anywhere in the post?

Did the ground freeze to allow armor to operate in east central Ukraine the previous winter?
 
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And did you find the 750 number anywhere in the post?

Did you find the word guaranteed anywhere in the post?

Did the ground freeze to allow armor to operate in east central Ukraine the previous winter?
There was no offensive because, even if all that fell into place, the Russians don't have the capability to mount another.

A country capable of mounting a serious armored counter offensive wouldn't be rolling Vietnam era tanks out onto the battlefield.
 
If I know you don’t play baseball & are going to bash someone’s head in with it, then yes, I sold you a weapon. By Aloha’s logic, if they tell us they’re just going to use them for target practice, we can sell them guns & they’re not a weapon.😂😂😂
IMO, Aloha likely knows this but is being disingenuous to try to save face having declared himself the expert. I am no expert, but I can read an official report outlining how we sold dual use items that were clearly going to be used as weapons…
You butted into my response about another poster's post claiming we sold weapons to Iraq, which we in fact did not do. Also, that these non-existent weapons would eventually be used against us, which of course, they weren't. He was wrong on both those points (among several others). However, you ignored that and then thought you made a clever point about dual use items. It wasn't about that. You read a wikipedia article about this and thought it made you smarter than you were. It didn't. If you can't stay on the topic, don't butt in.
 
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And did you find the 750 number anywhere in the post?

Did you find the word guaranteed anywhere in the post?

Did the ground freeze to allow armor to operate in east central Ukraine the previous winter?
Stop, dude. I remembered the top end number as 750, when you actually said 700 thousand. It's a small mistake because it's been a while - it been many months, including an entire Russia invasion free winter. It's an invasion you essentially guaranteed it was going to happen. You said it was coming. Read the thread and try not to be embarrassed by all you said in it. Most people would be very embarrassed, but you seem to be unable to be embarrassed by your ridiculous Russian propaganda.
 
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