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Israel under attack from Hamas

Social media is sure to be the downfall of humanity
Yeah, but I think it is a window into what was kind of always there.

There are quite a few self proclaimed "America First" types that are really turning me off on Twitter (X) at the moment. They aren't coming off any better than Tlaib.
 
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I'm curious who made you think that.
There are a bunch. If you are on Twitter right now pull up comments to just about anything Ben Shapiro has put up in the last day or so. I am conservative as can be but if America First means buying into all that "The Jews" bullshit (and I think you know what I mean), count me out.

Conspiracy theory nonsense. Tucker comparing drugs coming into the US to people being murdered in their homes. I haven't bookmarked stuff really but it has been a steady flow.
 
There are a bunch. If you are on Twitter right now pull up comments to just about anything Ben Shapiro has put up in the last day or so. I am conservative as can be but if America First means buying into all that "The Jews" bullshit (and I think you know what I mean), count me out.

Conspiracy theory nonsense. Tucker comparing drugs coming into the US to people being murdered in their homes. I haven't bookmarked stuff really but it has been a steady flow.
Glad you're finally awake.
 
It appears Qatar has said they will not release the $6 billion to Iran. If true, and if Iran was in fact using other money counting on this, great. They have put themselves in a hole.

Hmmm, Qatar seeing the writing on the wall maybe? Or just a delay and stall tactic?
 
The ground invasion by predominantly reservists and assault units is paused as of earlier today. The mobilization of 300K grows a significant logistical tail,just for food, fuel and water. They're not ready.

*My opinion* is that the siege will be allowed to take effect and the IDF will seal Gaza.

The Hamas have had years to devise traps for the IDF. Urban Ops can incur a lot of casualties. The Israeli Government was even more polarized than the Leviathan ...
They cannot afford high-casualty events...

Hamas has induced Israel to create a Hellscape at Gaza.
 
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There are a bunch. If you are on Twitter right now pull up comments to just about anything Ben Shapiro has put up in the last day or so. I am conservative as can be but if America First means buying into all that "The Jews" bullshit (and I think you know what I mean), count me out.

Conspiracy theory nonsense. Tucker comparing drugs coming into the US to people being murdered in their homes. I haven't bookmarked stuff really but it has been a steady flow.
As a Branch Vivekian, I would have liked to see him be more forceful as well in support of Israel rather than continually repeating “America first” like a wind up doll. His past comments about unwinding military support for Israel are a not looking so great at the moment either.

And the Tuck Dog got off the leash again, sometimes that happens, he’s still the GOAT.

That said, I’m not sure Nikki Haley wouldn’t be bombing Hezbollah strong holds as we speak. Which also isn’t the answer. She is Bolton-esque when it comes to foreign policy.
 
You all ever go on social media, take a look around and think, "Man, I am not on these people's side and I thought I was kind of on yours but now that you are opening your mouth I kind of think **** you guys too" or is that just me?
I used to go on Facebook and wonder if they thought they were anonymous when they posted outrageously stupid stuff, now I know they know they’re not anonymous and think their outrageously stupid stuff is actually intelligent. It amazes me.
 
I used to go on Facebook and wonder if they thought they were anonymous when they posted outrageously stupid stuff, now I know they know they’re not anonymous and think their outrageously stupid stuff is actually intelligent. It amazes me.
I can deal with a difference of opinion among political allies. There is quite a bit of stuff running far too close to antisemitic sentiment for my comfort.
 
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Fallujah is a city of 250k people. Gaza has 9 times that many people. I'm in a group text with some buddies who deployed during the time of the first or second battle of Fallujah. One of the guys who I can only call an acquantance was a marine at the time and isn't painting a pretty picture about how this will go when they start going door to door.
 
They have intelligence that Iran was actually surprised by this and wasn't involved in the planning. So this is a delay to get more intelligence. Or it's just symbolic.

My mideast experience is lacking. Iran has pretty bad relations with Sunni nations, yet Qatar is Sunni and the two countries get along well. Why?

Qatar is caught in the middle. I suspect we have talked them into a hold long enough for us to make a more informed claim that Iran wasn't directly involved. We pretty much have to go through with it, and I know this will catch flack. But we made a deal, backing out would make any future deals with any country problematic. We will move to "cash up front" status everywhere. So barring a smoking gun of Iran actually knowing and assisting this specific attack, Qatar will release the money.
 
The ground invasion by predominantly reservists and assault units is paused as of earlier today. The mobilization of 300K grows a significant logistical tail,just for food, fuel and water. They're not ready.

*My opinion* is that the siege will be allowed to take effect and the IDF will seal Gaza.

The Hamas have had years to devise traps for the IDF. Urban Ops can incur a lot of casualties. The Israeli Government was even more polarized than the Leviathan ...
They cannot afford high-casualty events...

Hamas has induced Israel to create a Hellscape at Gaza.

Since I never agree with you, I agree. I hope Israel has a specific group of Hamas leaders they want to seize and move in covertly/quickly as possible, get them, and get back out. Massing a huge army along the border could be a nice distraction for a simple raid. Any sort of sustained combat isn't going to go well for Israel, and certainly not the civilians of Gaza.
 
You all ever go on social media, take a look around and think, "Man, I am not on these people's side and I thought I was kind of on yours but now that you are opening your mouth I kind of think **** you guys too" or is that just me?
I did until I straightened out my algorithm. But know exactly what you're talking about.
 
You want to hammer down that I am arguing sole responsibility. I am not. That is silly.
Seems to be what a lot on here are saying...until you accuse them of saying it...then they back off.

The bottom line is the more information that has come out on this $6B, the more people have had to walk back blame on the Biden administration.

If the terrorist has $10 to spend and needs to buy food along with funding his terrorism and you say, "Hey, I got your falafel covered," he now has more money free to spend on terrorism.
You act like this money can't be frozen again. If the US finds that Iran funded this, that $6B won't see the light of day. Hence the point I made about money isn't necessarily fungible.
 
My mideast experience is lacking. Iran has pretty bad relations with Sunni nations, yet Qatar is Sunni and the two countries get along well. Why?

Qatar is caught in the middle. I suspect we have talked them into a hold long enough for us to make a more informed claim that Iran wasn't directly involved. We pretty much have to go through with it, and I know this will catch flack. But we made a deal, backing out would make any future deals with any country problematic. We will move to "cash up front" status everywhere. So barring a smoking gun of Iran actually knowing and assisting this specific attack, Qatar will release the money.
Would you consider the multi-$Billion DOD contracts for fuel, services and other facilities at the Port in Qatar leverage in this issue?
 
I am not sure what you are asking here.

Of course they aren't. They get money funneled to them from Europe and across the Middle East as well. You want to hammer down that I am arguing sole responsibility. I am not. That is silly. Obama/Biden weren't saying, "Here is some cash, go murder Jews." I am saying that any amount of cash you give to someone who has a stated goal of using some of their cash for terrorism is a defacto donation to terrorism. If the terrorist has $10 to spend and needs to buy food along with funding his terrorism and you say, "Hey, I got your falafel covered," he now has more money free to spend on terrorism. You only bought him dinner but you still donated to the cause no matter how altruistic you believe you were being.

See Marvin's post about the costs earlier in the thread. I think that the planning does cost a bunch of money but the actual weaponry comes relatively cheap. And again, $6 billion isn't there yet and only accounts for the most recent amount.

Seems to be what a lot on here are saying...until you accuse them of saying it...then they back off.

The bottom line is the more information that has come out on this $6B, the more people have had to walk back blame on the Biden administration.


You act like this money can't be frozen again. If the US finds that Iran funded this, that $6B won't see the light of day. Hence the point I made about money isn't necessarily fungible.
We should be clear on one thing regarding money: Iran didn't fund this with any part of the $6B, and no part of the $6B opened up other funds to use for this. A terrorist operation like this doesn't just come together over a few weekends. This has been planned for a long time. It was going to happen whether or not there was a prisoner exchange, and whatever money Iran put toward it (if any) happened without figuring in a future deposit from the United States to cover any checks they might write.

That doesn't mean we should be giving Iran money. It was a transaction, a trade. We bought freedom for some people. It was a transaction I supported on the theory that it's always better to bring Americans home when you can. But that doesn't mean I was right. Regardless of the technicalities or the good motivations, we still agreed to give Iran money, and that should make us wary in the same way (but on a much bigger scale) as a liberal or conservative might be wary about giving money to Hobby Lobby or Target. Whether or not your money has anything to do with something you disagree with, you're still giving money to an organization that doesn't align with your values.

But, again, that transaction had nothing to do with Hamas attacking Israel, beyond the basic fact that some of the bad actors involved might overlap here and there.
 
We should be clear on one thing regarding money: Iran didn't fund this with any part of the $6B, and no part of the $6B opened up other funds to use for this. A terrorist operation like this doesn't just come together over a few weekends. This has been planned for a long time. It was going to happen whether or not there was a prisoner exchange, and whatever money Iran put toward it (if any) happened without figuring in a future deposit from the United States to cover any checks they might write.

That doesn't mean we should be giving Iran money. It was a transaction, a trade. We bought freedom for some people. It was a transaction I supported on the theory that it's always better to bring Americans home when you can. But that doesn't mean I was right. Regardless of the technicalities or the good motivations, we still agreed to give Iran money, and that should make us wary in the same way (but on a much bigger scale) as a liberal or conservative might be wary about giving money to Hobby Lobby or Target. Whether or not your money has anything to do with something you disagree with, you're still giving money to an organization that doesn't align with your values.

But, again, that transaction had nothing to do with Hamas attacking Israel, beyond the basic fact that some of the bad actors involved might overlap here and there.
The $6B is just emblematic of the softening stance against Iran. They've been allowed to sell a lot more oil and the price of oil has been a lot higher over the last couple of years as the world has moved past Covid restrictions. We've tried to show a softer, gentler side; carrots instead of sticks. That's all come together to give us what we've recently seen. Iran is emboldened and has more $ to act upon it.
 
I see CNN has a story up that investigation has uncovered that Hamas is getting financial support from backers worldwide through cryptocurrency. Yippee, another reason to love crypto, allowing individuals to fund terror. DWS
 
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