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Hostage crisis was backlash to America trying to undermine the revolution and Iran’s right to self determination.

Current crisis with the Houthi’s are the result of American support for Israel’s Occupation of the Palestinians and the ethnic cleansing occurring in Gaza.

That’s what American imperialism does, wades into other countries affairs and then acts shocked when we create enemies and receive blowback.

1 and 3 are 100% correct
 
Hmmmmmm. Thanks? I know you view yourself as the geopolitical expert around these parts, but does that make it true?

Very doubtful.

take two minutes out of your day to read about US involvement in Iran pre Revolution. seriously, just copy and paste what I put in bold.

welcome to flavor country.

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It is interesting how politicians use words 'aint it? We often hear that Iran is a "threat" to America from our politicians.

The layperson looks at that and thinks, here's this relatively poor country, halfway around the world, no nukes, no real air force, how could they possibly constitute a threat to the lower 48? Or even Alaska or Hawaii? They don't. What our pols really mean is that Iran is a threat to the American empire, because they don't operate their government in the manner we would like and wont allow us to exert influence over them

Another phrase we hear from our pols is "threat to Democracy". They don't mean threat to democracy in the sense that Trump or anyone else constitutes a threat to our ability to vote, rather they mean a threat to the status quo of cycling through Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and Haley’s who will maintain the corporatist super structure.

It's interesting the meaning our pols attribute to certain words don't you think?
Iran is responsible for the deaths of thousands of American lives and disrupting shipping lanes. It’s long past time we conduct strikes in Iranian military sites.
 
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that's silly. you're talking about this administration's willingness to engage as if it declared the US was now going to stand down in the ME. huge leap. all the equipment, training, support we've provided our allies in the region says otherwise.
All you’ve done is to point how stupid Biden is. He arms Israel and SA to meet Iranian terrorism while he enables Iran. Biden refuses to choose sides and enables both sides.
maybe, but what does that have to doe with 10/7?
Everything! Stability on the home front allows foreign adventurism.

see above
See above.

there are many, many reasonable explanations.
I haven’t seen a single one. All we ever hear is Biden isn’t Trump. Well Trump got Iran exactly right.
 
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It’s long past time we conduct strikes in Iranian military sites.
As long as that's where it ends and we don't have to put troops on the ground. Taking out their whole dime store navy would be a good warning to quit f**king around but that would escalate.

Iran's terrain, two huge deserts separating the two main population areas, Zagros and the northeast corner whatever it's called combined with the available staging areas - unless Iraq, Pakistan, or Turkey allow the US in their countries - doubtful currently. Is a nightmare scenario.
 
As long as that's where it ends and we don't have to put troops on the ground. Taking out their whole dime store navy would be a good warning to quit f**king around but that would escalate.

Iran's terrain, two huge deserts separating the two main population areas, Zagros and the northeast corner whatever it's called combined with the available staging areas - unless Iraq, Pakistan, or Turkey allow the US in their countries - doubtful currently. Is a nightmare scenario.
No need for boots on the ground.
 
All you’ve done is to point how stupid Biden is. He arms Israel and SA to meet Iranian terrorism while he enables Iran. Biden refuses to choose sides and enables both sides.

Everything! Stability on the home front allows foreign adventurism.


See above.


I haven’t seen a single one. All we ever hear is Biden isn’t Trump. Well Trump got Iran exactly right.

eh- I think you are too passionate about this subject to think clearly. you did spend that one day telling everyone on this thread that 10/7 was the worst day in the history of humankind. statecraft requires steady hands. lol.
 
eh- I think you are too passionate about this subject to think clearly. you did spend that one day telling everyone on this thread that 10/7 was the worst day in the history of humankind. statecraft requires steady hands. lol.
He has a microscope readily available to search through the minutiae of every issue to find fault with Biden. Very much like the freeboard numbnutz that do the same with any coach IU has. That's not passion, that's emotionally biased blindness.
 
He has a microscope readily available to search through the minutiae of every issue to find fault with Biden. Very much like the freeboard numbnutz that do the same with any coach IU has. That's not passion, that's emotionally biased blindness.

yup, his husband must be a strong and patient man.
 
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eh- I think you are too passionate about this subject to think clearly. you did spend that one day telling everyone on this thread that 10/7 was the worst day in the history of humankind. statecraft requires steady hands. lol.
Enough about me. What is your defense of Biden’s incomprehensible Iranian policy.
 
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He has a microscope readily available to search through the minutiae of every issue to find fault with Biden. Very much like the freeboard numbnutz that do the same with any coach IU has. That's not passion, that's emotionally biased blindness.
Microscope? As if Biden’s screw up are itsy bitsy? Lol.
 
Enough about me. What is your defense of Biden’s incomprehensible Iranian policy.

I prefer Kissinger-style engagement. communication, even when a relationship is at its rock bottom, prevents dangerous misunderstandings (like a marriage lol).

but that's never been my issue with what you post. the engagement style I prefer is just a preference. the issue is you keep saying current Iran policy is incomprehensible or unexplainable. I keep showing you examples of other presidents, republican and democratic, using that same style with a much more dangerous version of Iran. then you always shut up when I get into specifics because we both know you are way out of your depth here, just to come back two days later with the same schtick. yawn. we both know you don't have the slightest clue how the ME works, its history, or what the US is trying to accomplish there. we both know you are getting the whole ME backstory right now, since 10/7, from hack political outlets. and then you even tack on some of their nonsense conspiracy theories, like a cherry on top, ie dems are working back alley quid pro quo deals with Iran. lol. double yawn. pure fvcking hackery
 
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Just remember to tuck that war boner up into your waist band.
Well, Gig, when Iranian proxies are lobbing missiles onto the base where a kid I love (my friend's son who I've known since he was 4 and went to every IU game he could and and IU grad) is stationed, I'm all for taking them out.
 
I prefer Kissinger-style engagement. communication, even when a relationship is at its rock bottom, prevents dangerous misunderstandings (like a marriage lol).

but that's never been my issue with what you post. the engagement style I prefer is just a preference. the issue is you keep saying current Iran policy is incomprehensible or unexplainable. I keep showing you examples of other presidents, republican and democratic, using that same style with a much more dangerous version of Iran. then you always shut up when I get into specifics because we both know you are way out of your depth here, just to come back two days later with the same schtick. yawn. we both know you don't have the slightest clue how the ME works, its history, or what the US is trying to accomplish there. we both know you are getting the whole ME backstory right now, since 10/7, from hack political outlets. and then you even tack on some of their nonsense conspiracy theories, like a cherry on top, ie dems are working back alley quid pro quo deals with Iran. lol. double yawn. pure fvcking hackery
The problem is COH isn't interested in policy. He's only interested in blaming Democrats for something. You will understand this forum better if you accept that none of his posts are in good faith.
 
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I prefer Kissinger-style engagement. communication, even when a relationship is at its rock bottom, prevents dangerous misunderstandings (like a marriage lol).

but that's never been my issue with what you post. the engagement style I prefer is just a preference. the issue is you keep saying current Iran policy is incomprehensible or unexplainable. I keep showing you examples of other presidents, republican and democratic, using that same style with a much more dangerous version of Iran. then you always shut up when I get into specifics because we both know you are way out of your depth here, just to come back two days later with the same schtick. yawn. we both know you don't have the slightest clue how the ME works, its history, or what the US is trying to accomplish there. we both know you are getting the whole ME backstory right now, since 10/7, from hack political outlets. and then you even tack on some of their nonsense conspiracy theories, like a cherry on top, ie dems are working back alley quid pro quo deals with Iran. lol. double yawn. pure fvcking hackery
I’m not talking about Kissinger or other presidents. I’m talking about Biden’s policy. You still don’t defend or support it. I’d love engagement on ideas three pronged approach. The only part defended is the two state solution. But that makes no sense when Iran and Hamas don’t want that.
 
The problem is COH isn't interested in policy. He's only interested in blaming Democrats for something. You will understand this forum better if you accept that none of his posts are in good faith.
You‘re funny. You post about me all the time. I guess your good faith view of the board is to post about posters.

Besides, The United States is in trouble with the border, in the Middle East, in Europe, with energy, with race relations , crime, with education, student loan forgiveness, and with the all-electric nonsense. Our bond issues don’t sell well. The only way out is to print money and that will wreck what’s left of a bad consumer economy.

Democratic and liberal policies are at the epi-center of all these problems.

And you ain’t seen nuthin yet. Biden is warming up for LA-Las Vegas high speed rail. He‘ll try to buy Nevada with that.
 
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Has the military objective been accomplished? Then get out.

If it hasn’t, then what? Can Israel count on the rest of the world to help enforce or develop a peace?
The objective has already suffered from mission creep from totally eradicating Hamas to destroying their ability to attack and harm Israelis.
 
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Looks like we might be gearing up to tuck tail in Syria. Can't say I'm opposed. We have no duty to protect the Kurds. Let Russia have it if they think they can manage it.
 
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Looks like we might be gearing up to tuck tail in Syria. Can't say I'm opposed. We have no duty to protect the Kurds. Let Russia have it if they think they can manage it.

the Kurds have been good partners to us in the region. they are uniquely situated and very capable of causing our foes in Iraq and Syria much pain. they can also be used as a lever against Turkey to help them see the light on other issues when necessary. I don't totally disagree with stopping direct involvement in Syria but I think we'll still be working with Kurds. just makes too much sense not to.
 
Has the military objective been accomplished? Then get out.

If it hasn’t, then what? Can Israel count on the rest of the world to help enforce or develop a peace?

I don't want to say I told you guys this was going to happen but...here...we...are. Israel punched back too hard. much harder than any other developed western or western-aligned state could get away with or would deem appropriate. 25k Palestinians dead and Israel still isn't willing to share a plan or endgame. about a 25:1 kill ratio for civilians and combatants since this began. I knew it would be 10:1 without blinking but only hope we don't get to 100:1.

and now we expect bombed-out Palestinians to forcefully reject Hamas' control and stop teaching their kids to hate Israel and the US. okay.
 
I don't want to say I told you guys this was going to happen but...here...we...are. Israel punched back too hard. much harder than any other developed western or western-aligned state could get away with or would deem appropriate. 25k Palestinians dead and Israel still isn't willing to share a plan or endgame. about a 25:1 kill ratio for civilians and combatants since this began. I knew it would be 10:1 without blinking but only hope we don't get to 100:1.

and now we expect bombed-out Palestinians to forcefully reject Hamas' control and stop teaching their kids to hate Israel and the US. okay.
25:1 figure is from where?
 
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