This is a slow slow burn, but it certainly feels like it's escalating into a major war, doesn't it?
Israel under attack from Hamas
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Yep…The targeted killings of senior IRGC officers who control Iranian intelligence and logistics support to Hezbollah and some senior Hezbollah officers could be the first stage of this operation. This would, most likely, prevent Hezbollah forces from undertaking a prepared defense against Israel.
We are seeing areas of conflict in several different areas.
You have me on ignore? Must have become tired of me proving you’re an idiot over and over again.
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It’s long past time to destroy Iranian military targets.
Didn't the Israeli's get a major chunk taken out of them last time they tried to move into Lebanon and ended up having to withdraw and just carpet bomb the Southern Lebanaon with the IAF? Hope they know what they're getting in to.
Providing factual information about Foreign Military Sales to Saudi Arabia is not defending the President.
what politicians say to their political bases and their allies are often two different things. especially their non-western allies. as noted in this thread, and by me several times, the US has supported SA in every possible way since the Yemen civil war started. SA knows Biden has one message for an internal audience and another for them. SA does same, flirting w BRICS is a part of that.
it is true, Biden does want less US security commitment in the ME. as did/ does Trump. they both expressed that with their similar conclusion that our operation in Afghanistan was a dead end.
Jake Sullivan bears a lot of blame. He’s been timid. He may end up giving Biden the expanded regional war and increase of hostilities with Iran that he’s tried to avoid.
China has to get to Taiwan first….and the U.S. Naval power far exceeds that of the PLA navy….which are basically floating casino carriers.
It appears there wasn’t any real risk of those two nations getting into a cross border war
I heard a guy who was some sort of Israeli analyst on NPR saying they weren't really attacking each other, but were actually just bombing the same group of dissident civilians who happen to live on both sides of the border.
Yeah, Pakistan smacked them in the mouth and now they want to talk.
Think Biden is paying attention? Nah, he's napping.
It is interesting how politicians use words 'aint it? We often hear that Iran is a "threat" to America from our politicians.
The layperson looks at that and thinks, here's this relatively poor country, halfway around the world, no nukes, no real air force, how could they possibly constitute a threat to the lower 48? Or even Alaska or Hawaii? They don't. What our pols really mean is that Iran is a threat to the American empire, because they don't operate their government in the manner we would like and wont allow us to exert influence over them
Another phrase we hear from our pols is "threat to Democracy". They don't mean threat to democracy in the sense that Trump or anyone else constitutes a threat to our ability to vote, rather they mean a threat to the status quo of cycling through Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and Haley’s who will maintain the corporatist super structure.
It's interesting the meaning our pols attribute to certain words don't you think?
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Well, unless you discount the fact that Iran kidnaps Americans for ransom and respects no civilized norms of diplomacy (remember the 50+ Americans seized in 1980?).
Then there's the fact they wage proxy war on Israel and threaten the world's oil supply chain.
There's no doubt the US is vested in free trade worldwide. I don't think that's a bad thing and, in fact, is worth projecting force in that area to support it.
And I wouldn't be too sure they don't have a nuclear bomb.
Well goat, here I go again.
The post-October 7 Middle East muddle is substantially Biden’s responsibility and fault. . First of all, I don’t think Biden has much first hand knowledge of the conflict. What he knows flows through staff including Blinken and Sullivan. Neither of them have been very impressive and Blinken has been the worst. Biden is incessantly pushing Netanyahu to a 2 state solution over Netanyahu’s strong objection. This rift is prolonging the killing. There are even some rumors that Biden is manipulating internal Israeli politics to remove Netanyahu— as Obama tried during his term.
Here’s the problem. Iran doesn’t want a 2 state solution, neither does Hamas. Biden’s leniency towards Iran led to this, and his continued incomprehensible leniency is spreading the conflict. Iranian policy is clear for everyone to see— Israel must disappear. Biden’s conflicts with Netanyahu play right into Iranians hands by perpetuating turmoil. . We need to take Iran to task for what has happened since October7 and we aren’t doing it.
Hostage crisis was backlash to America trying to undermine the revolution and Iran’s right to self determination.
Current crisis with the Houthi’s are the result of American support for Israel’s Occupation of the Palestinians and the ethnic cleansing occurring in Gaza.
That’s what American imperialism does, wades into other countries affairs and then acts shocked when we create enemies and receive blowback.
Uh, no. The US got the Shah to leave and they were pissed he was allowed to come to America. The US did not stand in the way of their right to self-determination.
Blinken was responsible for the 51 Intelligence officer hoax. He’s a fraud.
Iran is ‘directly involved’ in Yemen Houthi rebel ship attacks, US Navy’s Mideast chief tells AP
https://www.breitbart.com/news/iran...ship-attacks-us-navys-mideast-chief-tells-ap/
Biden’s Iranian policy is just nuts. It’s disrupting commerce, perpetuating conflict, and is costing levels.
by "got the Shah to leave" you mean helped start a coup. We supported Mossadeq until he threatened to nationalize oil, which Britain had a big stake in. we then supported a new Shah and took that oil stake. it's commonly understood that we radicalized Iran against us. we even acknowledged it in 2000.
so ya, we did stand in the way of Iran's self-determination.
You keep saying this but then cannot really present a narrative other than Biden's leniency led to this. Which is as lazy as saying Trump's tough talk led to this.
how in the eff is the US and most of the world wanting Palestinians to have a state prolonging the killing?
really? please share. you also said you thought Biden was getting backdoor payoffs from Iran. You also said Trump personally threatened the families of Taliban leadership. You say a lot of things....
Slow down, IGW.
You're not wrong, though. The Houthis aren't actually a threat to America, either. They are a threat to American profits. Almost everything we call a "threat" is really just an "inconvenience for exerting our influence and making money."
The leniency did three things:
1. It signaled we would not take strong military action against Iran for its terrorism
2. Sanctions relief led to a better overall Iranian economy
3. release of impounded cash, some after 10/7 funds terrorists.
Because Iran doesn’t want 2 states. Pushing Israel in this direction is tge problem. That signals Iran to keep up the attacks.
Obama did it in the open. Both Obama and Biden publicly snubbed Netanyahu.
There is no reasonable explanation for Biden’s Iranian sanctions relief other than donors and supporters are making money off of Iranian commerce.
1953. That was a while ago.
The Shah could have put down the revolution in '79, but we encouraged him to leave instead of causing a bloodbath. When we allowed the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment, they seized our embassy and employees.
So no, we didn't stand in the way of Iran's self-determination.
That was 45 years ago. The revolution is over. It's time for Iran to stop acting like the shah is rounding up anyone with the help of the US.
How far back do you want to go to blame the US?
is that actually true though? They are attacking American (and other) vessels, which presumably could have Americans onboard. They've also attacked Eilat, not that many Americans are vacationing there at the moment.
But, even if you didn't believe any Americans could actually lose their lives or be injured by the Houthis, shouldn't America help protect the lives of others (Indians, Greeks, etc.) that are in the maritime business? Sure, economics are probably the most important, but there are lives at stake and the Houthis clearly don't care about any of them.
1. It signaled we would not take strong military action against Iran for its terrorism
that's silly. you're talking about this administration's willingness to engage as if it declared the US was now going to stand down in the ME. huge leap. all the equipment, training, support we've provided our allies in the region says otherwise.
2. Sanctions relief led to a better overall Iranian economy
maybe, but what does that have to doe with 10/7? Iran has proven they will find funding for terrorism no matter the condition of their economy. there has been a thought, also shared by many repblicicans, that punishing the Iranian people, who are not "in charge" of their country, furtherer separates us from our goal for regime change. but you wouldn't know anything about that...
3. release of impounded cash, some after 10/7 funds terrorists.
see above
there are many, many reasonable explanations. we've been over a dozen of them on this board. you, for political reasons, disagree with the reasonable explanations but that doesn't make them unreasonable. lol. my man, you keep wading into this with zero previous knowledge of the region, its history, US interests there and how we go about protecting them. and it shows.
I'm not an isolationist by any means. I say blow them the **** up. I'm just giving Farva a little credit where it's due.
he was a legend. his excuse for being awful on the free board was his severe cognitive impairment. what's yours?
ah, so other countries should have shorter memories when it comes to the US toppling their governments? even if those events put them on a trajectory to where they were now? couple that with our support of Iraq. oh, but that was 40 years ago! why would they currently care that we armed and supported their blood rival in a major land war that their dads fought and died in?
should Europe just forget about the Iron Curtain and think of Russia in Ukraine as strictly a new one-off situation? ancient history
it's not just about blaming the former (and some current) machinations of the US, it's more about understanding how our historic efforts to topple regimes in the ME (and South America) have come back to bite us again and again.
lol. 45 years ago. tell me you don't get it without telling me you don't get it. 9/11 was 22 years ago and we just pulled out of Afghanistan. nations don't just forget stuff.
