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I don't think one could roll the other. It would also be a test of the Russians to see what side they fall on. Honestly, I don't think it is likely to happen because the potential benefit would be small compared to the cost to each.
I guess I’m what BradStevens would call Machiavellian, as it would be nice for those three to be more focused on each other than us, regardless of loss of life. 🤷 I just don’t want tv’s to get too expensive.😉
 
I guess I’m what BradStevens would call Machiavellian, as it would be nice for those three to be more focused on each other than us, regardless of loss of life. 🤷 I just don’t want tv’s to get too expensive.😉
Yep, it narrowly falls into the top 50 of my don't give a shit list. That is even considering that I don't care about their feelings or what context tree huggers spin around it. They want to duke it out, it'll make for some interesting posts and video on reddit.
 
How does the Pakistan/Iran pissing match lead to China invading India?
Pakistan and Iran escalate until India decides now is the time to take advantage of Pakistan's distraction in Kashmir. China is already engaged in a low-level war with India over competing claims in the mountains, so they decide they can't keep Indian aggression stand.
 
Pakistan and Iran escalate until India decides now is the time to take advantage of Pakistan's distraction in Kashmir. China is already engaged in a low-level war with India over competing claims in the mountains, so they decide they can't keep Indian aggression stand.
That's a huge stretch, imo. Iran and Pakistan won't get into a land war. They may lob some missiles and air strikes, but they won't fight on land unless they do it in Afghanistan. That ain't gonna happen.

Pakistan is not pulling assets out of Kashmir to fight Iran.

On the list of possibilities, a China/India war is pretty low, considering China's interest in Taiwan. They don't need another front to worry about.
 
That's a huge stretch, imo. Iran and Pakistan won't get into a land war. They may lob some missiles and air strikes, but they won't fight on land unless they do it in Afghanistan. That ain't gonna happen.

Pakistan is not pulling assets out of Kashmir to fight Iran.

On the list of possibilities, a China/India war is pretty low, considering China's interest in Taiwan. They don't need another front to worry about.
It wasn't a serious prediction. But you asked what the connection was.
 
That sounds very nice, but is it really likely that the Palestinians are going to quit killing Jews just because their state is created? They’ve been conditioned to do exactly that since pre-school. I guess if they have their own official state it becomes much cleaner for Israel to retaliate against a state than an ethnic group within its borders, but I’ve got some betting money that they’ll just find another “grievance” to attach their murderous intentions.
 
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That sounds very nice, but is I really likely that the Palestinians are going to quit killing Jews just because their state is created? They’ve been conditioned to do exactly that since pre-school. I guess if they have their own official state it becomes much cleaner for Israel to retaliate against a state than an ethnic group within its borders, but I’ve got some betting money that they’ll just find another “grievance” to attach their murderous intentions.

Khaled Mashal (sp?) has video interviews where he indicates that the 2 state solution is only the first step. They are just playing a game for the international community. There intention is, was, and will always be "from the river to the sea".

The problem we have is that too many people in the West think that everyone else in the world reasons in the same manner we do. They don't. They know how we tick and we don't tend to know how they do. Pakistan knows how they tick. Notice what they did after Iran lobbed missiles into their country?

Do with that what you will. I think it leads to bloodthirsty appearing solutions. And they are, at least in the here and now. However, I also think it leads to permanent solutions that decrease loss of lives down the line. The Palestinians are NEVER getting from the river to the sea. How to go about convincing them of that is the question.
 
weird to draw that direct line. and false. SA wants economic flexibility and has the leverage to gain it.

"Despite its strong ties with the U.S., Saudi Arabia has increasingly pursued its own path out of concern that Washington is less committed to the Gulf's security than in the past."

From your article. Why do you think they would have that impression?

“I would make it very clear we were not going to in fact sell more weapons to them,” Biden said. “We were going to in fact make them pay the price, and make them in fact the pariah that they are.” Biden also said there is “very little social redeeming value in the present government in Saudi Arabia,” and, in reference to Yemen, said he would end “end the sale of material to the Saudis where they’re going in and murdering children.”

Oh...probably there.
 
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"Despite its strong ties with the U.S., Saudi Arabia has increasingly pursued its own path out of concern that Washington is less committed to the Gulf's security than in the past."

From your article. Why do you think they would have that impression?

“I would make it very clear we were not going to in fact sell more weapons to them,” Biden said. “We were going to in fact make them pay the price, and make them in fact the pariah that they are.” Biden also said there is “very little social redeeming value in the present government in Saudi Arabia,” and, in reference to Yemen, said he would end “end the sale of material to the Saudis where they’re going in and murdering children.”

Oh...probably there.
Yet Biden’s DoS approved a $3 billion sale of Patriot missiles to Saudi in 2022 and &500 million more in weapons systems in 2023. On any given day there are about 1000 Saudis attending military courses in the US. Usually the most of any country.
 
This thread makes it obvious that soft ass americans want to defend evil. They defend evil from being killed, or being annihilated. The left soft asses of the US have benefited with a good, prosperous life, so they can go shit in the hand that fed them. This is why they want to change the 2d admin. So they can kill us, without us shooting back.
NOPE. Not on my watch. bang bang cocksucker.
 
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Yet Biden’s DoS approved a $3 billion sale of Patriot missiles to Saudi in 2022 and &500 million more in weapons systems in 2023. On any given day there are about 1000 Saudis attending military courses in the US. Usually the most of any country.

It isn't a secret that he pissed them off. You can find all sorts of articles of his mea culpa tour in 2022. The deals with Iran had them looking around. The whole "pariah" thing went over like a lead balloon.
 
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It isn't a secret that he pissed them off. You can find all sorts of articles of his mea culpa tour in 2022. The deals with Iran had them looking around. The whole "pariah" thing went over like a lead balloon.
I don’t disagree with that, but sales and deliveries never stopped.
 
Sure, but now they are triangulating us with our enemies. I don't think we would have seen that as much if the Obama/Biden approach to Iran wasn't instituted.

We hurt relations with a pretty staunch ally for absolutely zero pay off. It was bad policy.
It appears that your counter party agrees with your assessment while totally supporting the buyden regime.
Total CIA opp.
 
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Knock it off, Joe. His name is Biden. I'm sick of going around and around on this issue with people.
That one was not intentional. You known damn well I'll tell you to GFY, but this wasn't the case. Fast typing opps. That's all in this case. Totally honesty pinky swear!!

But we all know he's bought and paid for.
 


1. Broken supply chains
2. High prices
3. Inflation
4. Unemployment
5. Regional instability

We complain about all these things. But it’s a tough putt if we won’t even take small steps toward teaching these idiots that there are limits on unacceptable behavior.
 
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It isn't a secret that he pissed them off. You can find all sorts of articles of his mea culpa tour in 2022. The deals with Iran had them looking around. The whole "pariah" thing went over like a lead balloon.
Let me guess - Aloha is defending the Biden Administration's screwing up our Saudi relationship.
 
Let me guess - Aloha is defending the Biden Administration's screwing up our Saudi relationship.
No of course not.
He's contributing and applying for a file drawer position. That is just before you make it to the cabinet.
 
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Do you feel personally insulted and have a need to defend Joe and Blinken at all cost? You seem to go well out of your way to find an individual kernel in an armada of grain ships. Very odd.
Do you feel personally insulted by my posting? Because you're not making any sense. JDB posted an intriguing post about something big happening in Yemen. I followed the link to that account to see if they ever posted what that something big was, because I was interested.

If you think simply posting information is somehow political, that's a problem with you, not me.
 
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