Purdue, four 4-stars and a 5-star.
I'm not seeing this huge talent disparity now that I look up the composite rankings.
I think it's kind of funny
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Purdue, four 4-stars and a 5-star.
I'm not seeing this huge talent disparity now that I look up the composite rankings.
Maryland has roughly what we have, though, like us, one of their 4/5 guys is hurt. Dion Wiley was a 4*. That leaves them with five 4/5* guys. We've got 5 healthy ones too.
Illinois doesn't have six active four stars. It's Hill, Nunn and Landes and then a bunch of rec players as they've been devastated by injury. Counting Black and Abrams is like me counting Blackmon.
None of those Illinois guys were anywhere close to as highly regarded as Yogi, Bryant and Troy were. Same goes for Purdue other than Swanigan. Haas, Edwards, Davis and Hammons were all around the 80-120 spots...like Elston, Sheehey, Hulls and VJ3 were.
Same for Iowa. Woodbury is the closest to being highly regarded and he was in the same area as Robert Johnson.
We've LOST more highly regarded players than most team have. Stan was middle 4 star, Hanner was middle 4 star, Hollowell was a high 4 star. All were higher regarded than everyone on Purdue except Calib, everyone at Iowa except maybe Woodbury and everyone at MSU except Davis.
There's a huge difference between a top 30 player and a top 100ish player. Zeller was a five star, Watford was a mid four and Elston and Sheehey were high 3's. That's like saying AJ Ratliff and James Hardy are on the same level as DJ White and Robert Vaden.
None of those Illinois guys were anywhere close to as highly regarded as Yogi, Bryant and Troy were. Same goes for Purdue other than Swanigan. Haas, Edwards, Davis and Hammons were all around the 80-120 spots...like Elston, Sheehey, Hulls and VJ3 were.
Same for Iowa. Woodbury is the closest to being highly regarded and he was in the same area as Robert Johnson.
We've LOST more highly regarded players than most team have. Stan was middle 4 star, Hanner was middle 4 star, Hollowell was a high 4 star. All were higher regarded than everyone on Purdue except Calib, everyone at Iowa except maybe Woodbury and everyone at MSU except Davis.
There's a huge difference between a top 30 player and a top 100ish player. Zeller was a five star, Watford was a mid four and Elston and Sheehey were high 3's. That's like saying AJ Ratliff and James Hardy are on the same level as DJ White and Robert Vaden.
So if Hanner and Stan were such highly regarded players coming out of HS, what does that say about these rankings? I mean, we saw them play. They were athletic. They were not basketball players.
How many times out of 100 would you take Stan over Coverdale as your PG?
Illinois.....DJ Williams and Aaron Jordan both composite 4*. Played in 21/25 games, respectively.
I agree with you and I'd take Coverdale over those guys probably even today (not sure if you've seen Coverdale lately but...he's really ballooned up).
Actually I think a lot of our success has been the Max's and losing Blackmon. As Dakich pointed out we have more than enough players who can score but now we've surrounded them with lunch pailers.
I wasn't counting Williams and Jordan for Illinois. We're they low four star freshmen? Grose has always been underwhelming, even when he was at Ohio.
Actually I think a lot of our success has been the Max's and losing Blackmon. As Dakich pointed out we have more than enough players who can score but now we've surrounded them with lunch pailers.
I wasn't counting Williams and Jordan for Illinois. We're they low four star freshmen? Grose has always been underwhelming, even when he was at Ohio.
247 lists them as 4s.
Your point is why I take rankings of talent with a grain of salt. And those rankings say nothing about experience.
Three star Max B. In his 5th year is more valuable to me than a freshman 4*.
Iowa starts 4 seniors who were 3/4 stars. That's rare and has helped them immensely.
Coverdale vs. Stan.
Hartman vs. Hollowell
OG vs. Hanner
doG, Zeke. We've been friends for over 30 years. You married CTC and didn't tell me? You didn't invite me to the "wadding." I'm hurt.
BTW Doc Mac, it is "too."
This post summarizes all of my thoughts in a way I haven't been able to properly articulate because of my disdain for Crean's handling of the program. Good stuff.
So this thread has devolved into a pissing match, and I'm dumber for having read it. And I was dumb to begin with. So, thanks for the continued dumbing down of Hoops Cat, a continuing decline in stoopidity.
But, Zeke's original point is valid, and not one post by any of you asshats refuted it - if IU had lost to PUke, there'd be a mile long thread about it. Y'all hijacked the thread with the same old arguments that tortured me last year, and the year before that.
Cock remoras - one and all.
I smite thee.
This is free board level discussion.
But, Zeke's original point is valid, and not one post by any of you asshats refuted it - if IU had lost to PUke, there'd be a mile long thread about it. Y'all hijacked the thread with the same old arguments that tortured me last year, and the year before that.
Cock remoras - one and all.
I smite thee.
This is free board level discussion.
TL/DR
This sums up Crean for me:
Rob nails a 3 with 7:12 left in the game to extend the lead to 19.
Why do I still have zero confidence that the game is in the bag?
This sums up Crean for me:
Rob nails a 3 with 7:12 left in the game to extend the lead to 19.
Why do I still have zero confidence that the game is in the bag?
That's dumber than OP's dumb@ss post. Congrats. I didn't think it was possible.
It says, like it always has. Beyond the top 30ish players each year, it's a total crapshoot.
Work ethic and ability to learn, and be taught, has a much larger impact than a star rating from high school.
Dealing with teenagers is hard; dealing with teenagers that have been told they are the greatest thing in the world is even harder.
Crean recruited a lot of dumb players in past years. His best hits have almost always been the unheralded ones.
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Improvements have occurred... lol... love the passive voice. Biggest indictment of Crean I've seen yet.
You're on a site dedicated to it. How the hell can you not figure it out?
The good news: Given your level of dumb, you didn't have far to fall.
The bad news: You agreed with Zeke on Crean. (See good news).
If you decide to play for Crean, you are likely by definition not particularly smart.
I didn't say anything about Crean; I despise the asshat, too, and hope he's out soon. I merely commented that Zeke's observation was likely correct.
Your next enlightening or funny post will be your first.
Man, I think EXACTLY the same way about the current coach and the state of IU basketball as this post. Except I didn't watch the game last night.
"Likely correct"? We're supposed to be happy that for once Crean didn't fack up the game? For somebody that "despises" Crean, you sure sound like an advocate with that "same old argument, tortured" comment. Lighten up, Francis. I was just yanking your chain.
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You can count claps per possession by the coach too. It's as worthless a stat. Maybe he should instead focus on percentage of defensive stops or even points per possession allowed?
Like I said, it's another Crean weirdoness.... of many.
sigh ... have you compared the amount of subs vs normal mentally stable coaches?
Boy, that last paragraph perfectly sums it up for me. I think OG really could be a special player. I just wish we could get the coach that could actually do something with that instead of pulling him after he hits a couple 3s and gets a block.
And play someone else who wanted to put in some effort on the defensive side.
No matter what the strategy is, effort will always help some.
Hoops is trying to have his cake and eat it, too, and instead, he just sounds like a retard.
I've been having a recurring terrifying thought lately that if Troy continues his good play, he will undoubtedly help IU advance deeper in the tourney and give Crean A LOT longer leash. If this happens it will make him the untouchable leader as my least favorite player in the history of IU hoops.
Maui is the reason I am not enjoying it. Without that debacle, we are Top 10 all year long. Instead, apathy ...
Do you think #IUBB will win the B1G outright? Do you know what that would take? I don't see it happening .... even though Maryland and Iowa are both over-rated.
Bring on the post-season. Let's see how it flushes out.
This is the first year I've actually thought that an outright Big Ten Conference Title doesn't mean as much as it used to. With the way the schedules are just so lopsided, it's hard to accept that the team actually "won" it. You can't tell me that if Indiana played a true round-robin schedule it would be anywhere near first place. Winning at Michigan was solid, even though they're a pretty mediocre team. But not having to play at Maryland, Ohio St, or Purdue makes all the difference in the world.
And I understand that as things stand today, they could surprise and win at Iowa. Especially considering how the Hawkeyes are fading a bit down the stretch.
But ask yourself this...if Indiana is the #1 seed in the B1G Tournament, does anyone really expect them to win it?
Those games aren't played in Assembly Hall...
And I understand that as things stand today, they could surprise and win at Iowa. Especially considering how the Hawkeyes are fading a bit down the stretch.
But ask yourself this...if Indiana is the #1 seed in the B1G Tournament, does anyone really expect them to win it?
Those games aren't played in Assembly Hall...
I think the B1G should add 2 more teams, and essentially split into two related conferences, with two true round-robin schedules (14 games in hoops, 7 in football), and two true champions. The two champs in football can meet for the playoff auto bid, and both conferences can be combined and seeded together for a 16-team basketball tournament for the NCAA autobid.
Or drop a couple. Rutgers and somebody else. Purdue/PSU/Nebraska /Northwestern. Any combination of.
First off, I don't disagree with your notion. But on the flip side of not having to go to Maryland, Purdue and Ohio State is the opportunity to win out at home vs. Penn State, Rutgers, Michigan and then perhaps MSU, depending upon a lot of factors, including 'which MSU team' we'd have played. I think it would probably be a wash for us.
Sure, that works when comparing who Indiana plays home/away vs. who they didn't play home/away.
But when you start comparing Indiana's schedule to the other teams in the conference...Iowa, Purdue, etc...then you really start to see how unbalanced they are.
Bottom line is, the way the schedules are now, it's difficult to get a true measure of who the best team in the conference is on a year-to-year basis.
Agreed, just saying if we had a true round robin.....
Here's a look at who everyone had/didn't have this year. I kind of agree with Dienhart that Sparty might have gotten the most favorable draw.....but Iowa and Maryland got much worse. I don't feel bad for Maryland though.....they lost at Minnesota, and dropped a home game to Wisconsin.
http://btn.com/2015/12/28/winners-and-losers-of-big-ten-hoops-unbalanced-schedule/
