How often do witnesses "flip" on innocent defendants?

[cosmickid]

In the midst of ALL of these various accomplices "flipping" on Trump, I got to wondering how do Trump defenders maintain belief in his innocence?
What do people who continue to defend Trump think that all of these folks who have agreed to cooperate and testify against him are seeking immunity from? Pretty remarkable coincidence if they are all ganging up on an innocent man, especially since perjury would invalidate their plea deals...

Is the belief that only these folks taking plea deals are guilty of the crimes they're accused of and Trump is a completely innocent man who is being railroaded? That he tried (and Failed) to prevent a number of his associates from engaging in criminal activity, and in exchange they are making false accusations against him in retaliation?

When someone like Jenna Ellis tearfully confesses and blames her actions on her misguided belief that Trump was being truthful with her, do Trump defenders grasp that she is admitting guilt? And going a step further when the respective Judge asks any of these folks copping a plea if they are entering into this agreement with the knowledge that if the case went to trial that the Prosecution would be able to prove their guilt and the accused answers yes is the typical Trump defender grasping what is being said?

If Jenna Ellis (and numerous others) admits that she is guilty,that the Prosecution would be able to prove her guilt, and then proceeds to give testimony that implicates/ties Trump to the crime she's already admitted to what degree of delusion is involved in maintaining that Trump is innocent? Again these folks aren't defiantly maintaining their innocence, but rather have admitted to committing crimes and are making a plea for a lighter punishment. If they subsequently testify and implicate Trump for the same crimes they've admitted to engaging in, how does even the most staunch Trump defender continue to ignore reality?

Even if you make the claim that his actions were not criminal, the reality is that other folks who were charged with those activities have admitted that they were crimes and that their guilt would be proven in a court of law. So do innocent people flip and implicate another innocent person? And if so how often does that occur?

 

[outside shooter]

Cultists check logic at the door. If the holy one says to drink the Kool-aid, dmb and others will drink the Kool-aid.

 

[IU_Hickory]

They are obviously flipping because the corrupt prosecutors would throw them in jail otherwise. To save their own skin, they are throwing Trump under the bus.

Or something like that

 

[i'vegotwinners]

In the midst of ALL of these various accomplices "flipping" on Trump, I got to wondering how do Trump defenders maintain belief in his innocence?
What do people who continue to defend Trump think that all of these folks who have agreed to cooperate and testify against him are seeking immunity from? Pretty remarkable coincidence if they are all ganging up on an innocent man, especially since perjury would invalidate their plea deals...

Is the belief that only these folks taking plea deals are guilty of the crimes they're accused of and Trump is a completely innocent man who is being railroaded? That he tried (and Failed) to prevent a number of his associates from engaging in criminal activity, and in exchange they are making false accusations against him in retaliation?

When someone like Jenna Ellis tearfully confesses and blames her actions on her misguided belief that Trump was being truthful with her, do Trump defenders grasp that she is admitting guilt? And going a step further when the respective Judge asks any of these folks copping a plea if they are entering into this agreement with the knowledge that if the case went to trial that the Prosecution would be able to prove their guilt and the accused answers yes is the typical Trump defender grasping what is being said?

If Jenna Ellis (and numerous others) admits that she is guilty,that the Prosecution would be able to prove her guilt, and then proceeds to give testimony that implicates/ties Trump to the crime she's already admitted to what degree of delusion is involved in maintaining that Trump is innocent? Again these folks aren't defiantly maintaining their innocence, but rather have admitted to committing crimes and are making a plea for a lighter punishment. If they subsequently testify and implicate Trump for the same crimes they've admitted to engaging in, how does even the most staunch Trump defender continue to ignore reality?

Even if you make the claim that his actions were not criminal, the reality is that other folks who were charged with those activities have admitted that they were crimes and that their guilt would be proven in a court of law. So do innocent people flip and implicate another innocent person? And if so how often does that occur?

Trump's idiots know he lost the election and lies his ass off all the time.

they just don't care.

 

[Indianaftw]

Omg I'm lmao at this entire thread. Thank you all so much. That was the hardest I've laughed in awhile.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

In the midst of ALL of these various accomplices "flipping" on Trump, I got to wondering how do Trump defenders maintain belief in his innocence?
What do people who continue to defend Trump think that all of these folks who have agreed to cooperate and testify against him are seeking immunity from? Pretty remarkable coincidence if they are all ganging up on an innocent man, especially since perjury would invalidate their plea deals...

Is the belief that only these folks taking plea deals are guilty of the crimes they're accused of and Trump is a completely innocent man who is being railroaded? That he tried (and Failed) to prevent a number of his associates from engaging in criminal activity, and in exchange they are making false accusations against him in retaliation?

When someone like Jenna Ellis tearfully confesses and blames her actions on her misguided belief that Trump was being truthful with her, do Trump defenders grasp that she is admitting guilt? And going a step further when the respective Judge asks any of these folks copping a plea if they are entering into this agreement with the knowledge that if the case went to trial that the Prosecution would be able to prove their guilt and the accused answers yes is the typical Trump defender grasping what is being said?

If Jenna Ellis (and numerous others) admits that she is guilty,that the Prosecution would be able to prove her guilt, and then proceeds to give testimony that implicates/ties Trump to the crime she's already admitted to what degree of delusion is involved in maintaining that Trump is innocent? Again these folks aren't defiantly maintaining their innocence, but rather have admitted to committing crimes and are making a plea for a lighter punishment. If they subsequently testify and implicate Trump for the same crimes they've admitted to engaging in, how does even the most staunch Trump defender continue to ignore reality?

Even if you make the claim that his actions were not criminal, the reality is that other folks who were charged with those activities have admitted that they were crimes and that their guilt would be proven in a court of law. So do innocent people flip and implicate another innocent person? And if so how often does that occur?

This is a strange but simple thing. Trump has said they’re liars and will say everyone taking a plea deal is a liar too. He’ll say all testimony against him is a lie. He’ll even claim any defense testimony that doesn’t go his way is a lie. EVERYONE is out to get him and they’re all liars. And the Trumpsters will buy it. It’s incredibly strange, and pathetic.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Omg I'm lmao at this entire thread. Thank you all so much. That was the hardest I've laughed in awhile.

I can see you laughing insanely.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

This is a strange but simple thing. Trump has said they’re liars and will say everyone taking a plea deal is a liar too. He’ll say all testimony against him is a lie. He’ll even claim any defense testimony that doesn’t go his way is a lie. EVERYONE is out to get him and they’re all liars. And the Trumpsters will buy it. It’s incredibly strange, and pathetic.

don't kid yourself.

they know he's lying.

they just don't care.

they also know everyone else has lied their ass off to them for 40 plus yrs.

their love of Trump will go away when, and not until, someone comes along they trust will represent the working class first.

right now, both parties would rather be stuck with Trump and a threat to democracy, than someone who represents the working class and not Wall St.

as bad as Trump is, Wall St and the billionaires who control both parties, see him as the lessor of evils compared to a Bernie type who will advocate for the working class and consumers first.

it's not personal. just business.

 

[82hoosier]

In the midst of ALL of these various accomplices "flipping" on Trump, I got to wondering how do Trump defenders maintain belief in his innocence?
What do people who continue to defend Trump think that all of these folks who have agreed to cooperate and testify against him are seeking immunity from? Pretty remarkable coincidence if they are all ganging up on an innocent man, especially since perjury would invalidate their plea deals...

Is the belief that only these folks taking plea deals are guilty of the crimes they're accused of and Trump is a completely innocent man who is being railroaded? That he tried (and Failed) to prevent a number of his associates from engaging in criminal activity, and in exchange they are making false accusations against him in retaliation?

When someone like Jenna Ellis tearfully confesses and blames her actions on her misguided belief that Trump was being truthful with her, do Trump defenders grasp that she is admitting guilt? And going a step further when the respective Judge asks any of these folks copping a plea if they are entering into this agreement with the knowledge that if the case went to trial that the Prosecution would be able to prove their guilt and the accused answers yes is the typical Trump defender grasping what is being said?

If Jenna Ellis (and numerous others) admits that she is guilty,that the Prosecution would be able to prove her guilt, and then proceeds to give testimony that implicates/ties Trump to the crime she's already admitted to what degree of delusion is involved in maintaining that Trump is innocent? Again these folks aren't defiantly maintaining their innocence, but rather have admitted to committing crimes and are making a plea for a lighter punishment. If they subsequently testify and implicate Trump for the same crimes they've admitted to engaging in, how does even the most staunch Trump defender continue to ignore reality?

Even if you make the claim that his actions were not criminal, the reality is that other folks who were charged with those activities have admitted that they were crimes and that their guilt would be proven in a court of law. So do innocent people flip and implicate another innocent person? And if so how often does that occur?

She raised over $200,000 from the trumpsters that was supposed to be for her defense. That was in August and now she plea bargains. LOL!!!

I was particularly moved by her whining sniveling crying about being a Christian.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

She raised over $200,000 from the trumpsters that was supposed to be for her defense. That was in August and now she plea bargains. LOL!!!

I was particularly moved by her whining sniveling crying about being a Christian.

How much did you donate?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

These fine folks all know the truth.

They held on to the nonsense becuase they thought it provided them a career pathway.

Their pathway has changed...and so must they.

 

[cosmickid]

This is a strange but simple thing. Trump has said they’re liars and will say everyone taking a plea deal is a liar too. He’ll say all testimony against him is a lie. He’ll even claim any defense testimony that doesn’t go his way is a lie. EVERYONE is out to get him and they’re all liars. And the Trumpsters will buy it. It’s incredibly strange, and pathetic.

A perfect example of what you describe here is the conundrum he faces with Meadows.He's trying his damndest to call out all of the other flippers as liars, while walking on eggshells to avoid criticizing Meadows, who he knows can legally sink him. It's pathetically hilarious...



Reports that as many as 6 of Trump's fellow RICO defendants are now discussing plea deals. (Former US Attny) Glenn Kirschner details how devastating Jenn's plea is to Rudy. Not only has she admitted to crimes in connection with the GA case, but according to Glenn the contents of her plea have opened the door to possible state charges in places like AZ, MI and PA...

And I couldn't help noticing the similarity between the false "facts" that she admitted relying on to justify her illegal actions and some of the nonsense we've read on this board..The only thing she didn't call out was Dinesh and his "2000 mules", but I wonder if that's on the horizon?




Saw Glenn on a different podcast, and he discussed the real possibility that Trump could eventually end up as the only RICO conspirator who doesn't cop a plea deal. He described the situation as a fire sale where defendants are rushing to snag a deal before they're all gone...

 

[Stuffshot]

A perfect example of what you describe here is the conundrum he faces with Meadows.He's trying his damndest to call out all of the other flippers as liars, while walking on eggshells to avoid criticizing Meadows, who he knows can legally sink him. It's pathetically hilarious...

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Reports that as many as 6 of Trump's fellow RICO defendants are now discussing plea deals. (Former US Attny) Glenn Kirschner details how devastating Jenn's plea is to Rudy. Not only has she admitted to crimes in connection with the GA case, but according to Glenn the contents of her plea have opened the door to possible state charges in places like AZ, MI and PA...

And I couldn't help noticing the similarity between the false "facts" that she admitted relying on to justify her illegal actions and some of the nonsense we've read on this board..The only thing she didn't call out was Dinesh and his "2000 mules", but I wonder if that's on the horizon?

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Saw Glenn on a different podcast, and he discussed the real possibility that Trump could eventually end up as the only RICO conspirator who doesn't cop a plea deal. He described the situation as a fire sale where defendants are rushing to snag a deal before they're all gone...

Keep in mind that some 30-35 unindicted co-conspirators were originally named in the Georgia case and the federal case. These are in addition to the 18 named defendants in the Georgia case.

Don't know whether they are classed as flippers, but the "unindicted" may also be cooperating with prosecutors to make sure they stay "unindicted."

Potentially, then, there are about 50 persons mentioned one way or another in the two indictments that Trump must wonder about.

 

[outside shooter]

Potentially, then, there are about 50 persons mentioned one way or another in the two indictments that Trump must wonder about.

He doesn't know any of them! Bunch of RINOs!