How do you deal with Islam?

[JamieDimonsBalls]

JDB, unfortunately you are correct about the Western Jew approach not working for them against anti Semitism even in the West, much less in the Middle East.

Is it because they are naive or because they are misunderstood? Or is it the nationalism, religion, and all the other factors mentioned by you in your post about Amin Maalouf These factors seem to be the prevailing forces motivating how we conduct ourselves.

It's a good question hoot and one that I don't really have a good answer for. One thought is that part of it stems from the idea that they have been generally in decent socioeconomic positions and have more to lose than others in recent centuries (see Germany 1930s). Another could be the longevity of the religion and its historical struggles with so many ethnic and religious groups (e.g., Babylonians, Greeks/Macedonians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Ottomans, etc.) has made Jews less interested in war and physical conflict.

Either way, the lack of standing up for themselves when things turn violent or go beyond verbal means, is troubling.

 

[hoot1]

It's a good question hoot and one that I don't really have a good answer for. One thought is that part of it stems from the idea that they have been generally in decent socioeconomic positions and have more to lose than others in recent centuries (see Germany 1930s). Another could be the longevity of the religion and its historical struggles with so many ethnic and religious groups (e.g., Babylonians, Greeks/Macedonians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Ottomans, etc.) has made Jews less interested in war and physical conflict.

Either way, the lack of standing up for themselves when things turn violent or go beyond verbal means, is troubling.

JDB, cannot help but think the Jews who are a majority in Israel today look back at the Holocaust and say never again.

The never again thinking being that the Jews under Hitler were way too passive.

I for one can't blame them while at the same time wishing Jews and Muslims could somehow build Israel into a single state.

The two state solution never made sense to me. My Hebrew friends in this country are proud of their heritage which includes being acceptive to those with other faiths.

They also forgive those who may be anti-Semitic if a business deal can be made.. The best deal to be made in Israel for both the Muslims and Jews is a single state solution.

 

[BradStevens]

It's a good question hoot and one that I don't really have a good answer for. One thought is that part of it stems from the idea that they have been generally in decent socioeconomic positions and have more to lose than others in recent centuries (see Germany 1930s). Another could be the longevity of the religion and its historical struggles with so many ethnic and religious groups (e.g., Babylonians, Greeks/Macedonians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Ottomans, etc.) has made Jews less interested in war and physical conflict.

Either way, the lack of standing up for themselves when things turn violent or go beyond verbal means, is troubling.

Check this out, JDB:

It isn't in schools

Yes, you are. Still no examples, let alone that it's prevalent across many districts. Just a bunch self-marginalized, middle aged or older white men running around acting like 1st graders are being radicalized. LOL is part of the cult radicalization to put your fingers in your ears and...

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[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Islam at its finest

 

[BradStevens]

Islam at its finest

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Used to office right next door.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

https://www.reuters.com/world/israels-pm-aware-very-violent-incident-against-israelis-amsterdam-his-office-2024-11-08/

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Canada is doing well

 

[BradStevens]

Canada is doing well

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The irony is this spoiled brat pro-Hamas supporter is enjoying the rights that these men and women (and those who have fallen) have protected.There's a special place in hell for women like her.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

The two state solution never made sense to me. My Hebrew friends in this country are proud of their heritage which includes being acceptive to those with other faiths.

Sorry hoot, missed this reply to you. While I agree with the last sentence, the two state solution is the only plausible option given the violence and extremism of Muslims in general, but even more specifically, Palestinians. How does one agree to a single state option if there is a constant threat of violence? And, in fairness, I'm sure there are some right wing Jews that would be aggressive towards Muslims as well.

In other words, while it makes logical sense without context, once you consider the long-time conflict and attitudes, it doesn't seem feasible.