How are we not talking about the brewing bribery-for-pardon scandal?

[Cortez88]

I said it back then. Just let it go and move on, for the good of the country.

But Trump literally broke a lot of people. You see it in this thread.

Now we’re stuck.

I’ll admit that 1/6 really pissed me off and made me worry about our country. I know others don’t feel the same, but that was a momentous day, and not in a good way. It showed the worst of us.

But the passage of time has shown that we are a resilient lot and we keep chugging on. The country as a whole will have its ups and downs, but for almost all of us, the POTUS has no effect on our daily lives. Because of that, I quit paying as much attention to politics. I made a similar decision with IU bball about 10 years ago. I’m certainly happier as a result of those choices. Especially the bball part.

 

[NPT]

I think it's funny that the world turned out backwards. Now we have Dems hiding behind pardons and Repubs promising lawfare. Four years sure changes a lot.

Why can't we find some people to run for president that aren't constantly doing something illegal so they don't need pardons because they haven't done anything illegal.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Why can't we find some people to run for president that aren't constantly doing something illegal so they don't need pardons because they haven't done anything illegal.

I honestly think anyone that wants to be president should be barred from being president. We should draft the unwilling.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I honestly think anyone that wants to be president should be barred from being president. We should draft the unwilling.

I think we should elect people by lot.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I think we should elect people by lot.

That is an idea that has grown on me. We cannot do worse.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I think it's funny that the world turned out backwards. Now we have Dems hiding behind pardons and Repubs promising lawfare. Four years sure changes a lot.

Maybe both side ought to admit they are just as corrupt and despicable as the other? In other words, don't trust politicians or political parties.

 

[mcmurtry66]

That is an idea that has grown on me. We cannot do worse.

Sortition. Honestly I think it’d be even worse. There’s been a dumbing down of the country

 

[stollcpa]

Why can't we find some people to run for president that aren't constantly doing something illegal so they don't need pardons because they haven't done anything illegal.

Because the press and those on the far right and far left will try to immediately destroy them. Therefore, great people take a pass and stay in their jobs.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think we should elect people by lot.

@Marvin the Martian i don’t think Sortition is the answer bc most of the public is pretty bad but I do wonder if there are other ways. I think it not being a career would be assistive. AOC thinking this is what her career is. Grassley on the other end. Term limits or even part time. Meet by zoom. People with other active careers. And I get the continuity lobbying etc issues that may implicate but it might be beneficial

 

[DANC]

That’s what made me look up this thread, I remembered the uproar over the idea of Trump pardoning himself and/or his family. The most corrupt administration in American history was a commonly used phrase back then.

Of course, Joe is the only American president to EVER pardon immediate family members, not to mention basically his ENTIRE immediate family.

Completely ass backwards in four years.

Didn't Jimmy pardon Billy?

I also thought Nixon pardoned his brother, but I may be misremembering that.

 

[DANC]

They’re both corrupt. How does this excuse Trump’s actions. Pathetic that the only defense is that the other guy also committed immoral acts.

You're joking, right? Trump could have pardoned his family and himself and didn't, because he knew the charges against him were bogus.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

You're joking, right? Trump could have pardoned his family and himself and didn't, because he knew the charges against him were bogus.

Sorry bud but pardoning rioters who attempted to subvert democracy…. That’s pretty nasty

 

[DANC]

I’ll admit that 1/6 really pissed me off and made me worry about our country. I know others don’t feel the same, but that was a momentous day, and not in a good way. It showed the worst of us.

But the passage of time has shown that we are a resilient lot and we keep chugging on. The country as a whole will have its ups and downs, but for almost all of us, the POTUS has no effect on our daily lives. Because of that, I quit paying as much attention to politics. I made a similar decision with IU bball about 10 years ago. I’m certainly happier as a result of those choices. Especially the bball part.

So you agree with Kamala that there is great significance in the passage of time.....

 

[DANC]

Maybe both side ought to admit they are just as corrupt and despicable as the other? In other words, don't trust politicians or political parties.

Because they're not. There's only one Party that wants to change America into a country of woke freaks - and will do it by any means necessary, including lawfare against the other Party.

Of course there are corrupt individuals in both Parties. But if you want a Party that promotes the Constitution, Capitalism, and traditional Americanism, there's only one Party to vote for.

 

[DANC]

Sorry bud but pardoning rioters who attempted to subvert democracy…. That’s pretty nasty

Pardoning rioters is a lot different than pardoning killers, don't you agree, bud?

Or pardoning people for what they MIGHT have done in the last 10 years?

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Pardoning rioters is a lot different than pardoning killers, don't you agree, bud?

Or pardoning people for what they MIGHT have done in the last 10 years?

Point being they’re both corrupt awful human beings. Tomato tomata.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Pardoning rioters is a lot different than pardoning killers, don't you agree, bud?

Or pardoning people for what they MIGHT have done in the last 10 years?

I just realized you are now willing to admit those peaceful protesters are rioters? I’ll never understand Trump fanaticism

 

[DANC]

I just realized you are now willing to admit those peaceful protesters are rioters? I’ll never understand Trump fanaticism

I've always said they were demonstrating and then riots started.

Where have you been?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Sortition. Honestly I think it’d be even worse. There’s been a dumbing down of the country

I don't know, what percentage of Americans worry about Guam sinking? I don't think the Iowas were there, so it was only hit by 14-inch shells but it did stay afloat through that.

Sortition pretty much means one term and done (the math behind two terms would make it very unlikely). Then we get people in from very diverse backgrounds. We can have an autoworker, a stay-at-home parent, a small farmer, and a small business owner. We would get people familiar with aspects of America that your average big-time business person or lawyer has no clue about.

It isn't all about smarts. Some of it is wanting to make America better. Some of it is knowing what the issues are, not just what you want to be the issues so you can parrot the popular wording of your side. Bringing in generic people will allow for that. Yes, we will get crazed partisans, but we will get more people than today who really want to look beyond their blinders.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't know, what percentage of Americans worry about Guam sinking? I don't think the Iowas were there, so it was only hit by 14-inch shells but it did stay afloat through that.

Sortition pretty much means one term and done (the math behind two terms would make it very unlikely). Then we get people in from very diverse backgrounds. We can have an autoworker, a stay-at-home parent, a small farmer, and a small business owner. We would get people familiar with aspects of America that your average big-time business person or lawyer has no clue about.

It isn't all about smarts. Some of it is wanting to make America better. Some of it is knowing what the issues are, not just what you want to be the issues so you can parrot the popular wording of your side. Bringing in generic people will allow for that. Yes, we will get crazed partisans, but we will get more people than today who really want to look beyond their blinders.

Good argument

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Good argument

Thanks

There would need to be guard rails. Either no felons or at least no one still be sanctioned for a felony. I would suggest passing a drug test.

It will never happen. But I do think we get people today who enter politics to make THEIR life better and I'm not sure that's what we need.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I've always said they were demonstrating and then riots started.

Where have you been?

Not here back then thank goodness 😂

 

[mcmurtry66]

Thanks

There would need to be guard rails. Either no felons or at least no one still be sanctioned for a felony. I would suggest passing a drug test.

It will never happen. But I do think we get people today who enter politics to make THEIR life better and I'm not sure that's what we need.

And I think you’d have a big enough pool with 535 that’d you get enough expertise and knowledge and smarts thrown in. Sortition is the jury system. And there is always the argument that they might not be capable of complex cases so maybe an expert jury is better. That or a panel might even be a thing now in noodles world. But again with 535 you should get all types and plenty of “experts” smart people

 

[Ohio Guy]

I honestly think anyone that wants to be president should be barred from being president. We should draft the unwilling.

I do think there shouldn't be such a thing as a 'career' politician. I'd be all for federally elected officials coming from the private sector where they go back to their 'real' jobs after their term is done or they're term limited out.

Maybe it'd work better with senators and congressmen. This idea with the president might need workshopped more. It seems less likely that the president could realistically go back to his/her job as a farmer or accountant after 4-8 years as president. I guess Jimmy Carter sort of did this....

 

[Ohio Guy]

@Marvin the Martian i don’t think Sortition is the answer bc most of the public is pretty bad but I do wonder if there are other ways. I think it not being a career would be assistive. AOC thinking this is what her career is. Grassley on the other end. Term limits or even part time. Meet by zoom. People with other active careers. And I get the continuity lobbying etc issues that may implicate but it might be beneficial

I should have read down the board before posting my recent post. I agree with a lot of this.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Maybe both side ought to admit they are just as corrupt and despicable as the other? In other words, don't trust politicians or political parties.

Anyone who thinks their side is more virtuous than the other is a fool.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Anyone who thinks their side is more virtuous than the other is a fool.

What about independents. Or Switzerland?

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

What about independents. Or Switzerland?

They're the worst. Not virtuous and can't take a stand.