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Here's my issue with the Archie has us on an upward path argument ...

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the transfers already … Forrester giving up, Moore giving up, DA (lots of speculation), Green potential graduation and leaving, plus Shitzner was brought in by Archie. These guys didn't develop even with ample playing time available due to injuries, giving up ( or being Arched apparently or not getting along with him … Green) and all of them were recruited or re-recruited by Archie … and we've done nothing to replace them or anything in the works … maybe Brunck, but he's a role player too and probably with less upside on what just walked away. Maybe Hunter ever plays again … it looked good on paper, but has panned out as a "movement"
 
the transfers already … Forrester giving up, Moore giving up, DA (lots of speculation), Green potential graduation and leaving, plus Shitzner was brought in by Archie. These guys didn't develop even with ample playing time available due to injuries, giving up ( or being Arched apparently or not getting along with him … Green) and all of them were recruited or re-recruited by Archie … and we've done nothing to replace them or anything in the works … maybe Brunck, but he's a role player too and probably with less upside on what just walked away.

Are you drunk or just terrible with the English language?
 
the transfers already … Forrester giving up, Moore giving up, DA (lots of speculation), Green potential graduation and leaving, plus Shitzner was brought in by Archie. These guys didn't develop even with ample playing time available due to injuries, giving up ( or being Arched apparently or not getting along with him … Green) and all of them were recruited or re-recruited by Archie … and we've done nothing to replace them or anything in the works … maybe Brunck, but he's a role player too and probably with less upside on what just walked away. Maybe Hunter ever plays again … it looked good on paper, but has panned out as a "movement"
Yeah - losing 8 or 9...
plus all the Archie lovers were begging for JSmith and DGreen to leave - now suddenly those guys(Crean’s guys is what they used to call them) arent so bad!

Scary times...may have a small quantity roster next year
 
the transfers already … Forrester giving up, Moore giving up, DA (lots of speculation), Green potential graduation and leaving, plus Shitzner was brought in by Archie. These guys didn't develop even with ample playing time available due to injuries, giving up ( or being Arched apparently or not getting along with him … Green) and all of them were recruited or re-recruited by Archie … and we've done nothing to replace them or anything in the works … maybe Brunck, but he's a role player too and probably with less upside on what just walked away. Maybe Hunter ever plays again … it looked good on paper, but has panned out as a "movement"
Looks like somebody's been knockin' back a little of grandpa's joy juice again. Lock up the liquor cabinet. Also, please lock up the computer - the English language is begging you.
 
Brunk is better than the two who just transferred out. Much better.

If he and Quinones are both onboard this fall we should be in good shape as long as they are both willing to play Defense.

Add Watford or the small forward grad transfer from Akron and who knows how far this team can go...
 
Yeah - losing 8 or 9...
plus all the Archie lovers were begging for JSmith and DGreen to leave - now suddenly those guys(Crean’s guys is what they used to call them) arent so bad!

Scary times...may have a small quantity roster next year
This again. Yes, there are 8 players leaving or graduating but most of them won't be noticed since they had almost no playing time. You love the raw number because it looks worse than it is. Until anyone else announces they won't return there is no "or 9", it's simply 8.

Outgoing (8):
Player GamesPlayed / Minutes / MinutesperGame / PointsPerGame
Morgan (Scholarship/Grad) 35 / 1044 / 29.8 / 15.5
Fitzner (S/G) 31 / 356 / 11.5 / 3.5
Langford (S/Draft) 32 / 1091 / 34.1 / 16.5
Forrester (S/Transfer) 13 / 56 / 4.3 / 2.1
Moore (S/T) 15 / 62 / 4.1 / 1.3
McRoberts (Walk-on/G) 26 / 357 / 13.7 / 0.8
Taylor (W/G) 7 / 10 / 1.4 / 0.0
Blackmon (W/T) 7 / 13 / 1.9 /1.0

Incoming (3):
Jackson-Davis (S) 5* Rank: 18 (247 composite)
Franklin (S) 3* 156
Childress (W) NR
 
Next year is setting up to be an epic disaster. The train is off the rails now and it’s not going back on. The question is how ugly does the administration let it get.

I don’t necessarily disagree but now I see that Wall2Boogie is on board with this after counseling the board that everything would be just fine.

The Cats flame out has brought him back to earth.
 
Next year is setting up to be an epic disaster. The train is off the rails now and it’s not going back on. The question is how ugly does the administration let it get.

lol

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It's a basketball forum, not a dissertation. Are you next going to criticize lack of citations or style? Good grief!

No, the post was barely readable. Just because it is a basketball forum doesn't mean posts should need a translator. Is English a second language for you?
 
I don’t see a roster, even if someone like Brunk is added, that can compete at the Big Ten level. The physicality and talent are simply not there. Brunk was a bench guy on a team that went 16-17 in a poor conference. Is he going to make that much of a difference? Hunter may never play again and none of the good grad transfers are interested in IU. The program has lost a lot of luster.
 
I don’t see a roster, even if someone like Brunk is added, that can compete at the Big Ten level. The physicality and talent are simply not there. Brunk was a bench guy on a team that went 16-17 in a poor conference. Is he going to make that much of a difference? Hunter may never play again and none of the good grad transfers are interested in IU. The program has lost a lot of luster.
Looking at the Indiana all stars that were just announced, other than those going to Indiana or Purdue there’s not a single player going to another power five school anywhere in the country. I have no idea what this year’s recruits can bring to the table immediately.
There is no obvious answer as to how Indiana is going to transition from being one of the worst free-throw shooting teams and one of the worst three-point shooting teams in the country.
No one seems to have any idea if Hunter is going to be able to play next season.
I don’t think anybody knows what the team chemistry is going to look like next year. Same with team leadership in the locker room.

Here is what I am hanging my hat on :

 
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the transfers already … Forrester giving up, Moore giving up, DA (lots of speculation), Green potential graduation and leaving, plus Shitzner was brought in by Archie. These guys didn't develop even with ample playing time available due to injuries, giving up ( or being Arched apparently or not getting along with him … Green) and all of them were recruited or re-recruited by Archie … and we've done nothing to replace them or anything in the works … maybe Brunck, but he's a role player too and probably with less upside on what just walked away. Maybe Hunter ever plays again … it looked good on paper, but has panned out as a "movement"

We basically knew that 6 of these 8 guys would be gone. I don't know what type of team IU will have next year but I'm pretty sure that losing Moore and Forrester won't impact that very much.
 
Brunk is better than the two who just transferred out. Much better.

If he and Quinones are both onboard this fall we should be in good shape as long as they are both willing to play Defense.

Add Watford or the small forward grad transfer from Akron and who knows how far this team can go...


The odds are not with us on Quinones & Watford.

Brunk appears to unable to decide.....latest rumor on him is that he's trying to figure how if he can play and go to law school at the same time.
 
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Brunk is better than the two who just transferred out. Much better.

If he and Quinones are both onboard this fall we should be in good shape as long as they are both willing to play Defense.

Add Watford or the small forward grad transfer from Akron and who knows how far this team can go...
A lot of ifs & hypothetical scenarios
 
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Brunk is better than the two who just transferred out. Much better.

If he and Quinones are both onboard this fall we should be in good shape as long as they are both willing to play Defense.

Add Watford or the small forward grad transfer from Akron and who knows how far this team can go...
Watford is not coming so we can quit talking about that. Boy by what you say I am expecting 25 wins though.
 
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I don’t see a roster, even if someone like Brunk is added, that can compete at the Big Ten level. The physicality and talent are simply not there. Brunk was a bench guy on a team that went 16-17 in a poor conference. Is he going to make that much of a difference? Hunter may never play again and none of the good grad transfers are interested in IU. The program has lost a lot of luster.
You need to drink the kool aid like the guy saying who knows how far we can go. I am thinking 25 plus wins after reading his post.
 
Quicker we hit the reset button more likely to find leadership up to the task.
In a general sense, what do you think is a realistic time frame to give a coach? Be aware that any future candidates will be keenly aware of this..........
 
In a general sense, what do you think is a realistic time frame to give a coach? Be aware that any future candidates will be keenly aware of this..........

5 to 7 years before you can judge minimum. Gotta get a full recruiting class through at a minimum.
 
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In a general sense, what do you think is a realistic time frame to give a coach? Be aware that any future candidates will be keenly aware of this..........

Four seasons. That is enough time to get a system in place and have success.
 
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