I think there are 3 more penalty trials as well. This is just for the first 2 (IIRC) families...
Hahaha...Alex Jones is so, so, so screwed...
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I'm not even sure why the lawyer cross-examinig Jones says "your lawyers screwed up." How did they screw up by answering a valid discovery request by sending the information the plaintiffs requested? The lawyer then tells Jones they had 12 days to make a privilege claim but didn't. So what? There was no privilege claim to make as to texts about Sandy Hook, unless those texts were to his own lawyers. (Maybe that's what these are?)
Isn't this "penalty trial" just a quirk of Texas, and not really something that is universally applied in a civil case?
What is his argument for appeal? I was found guilty but my incompetent attorney failed to hide evidence that increased my damages? So I'm as much of a liar and conman as everyone already knew, but my attorney is guilty of malpractice because he failed to keep all of that hidden from the court?
He would have to be able to prove that he wouldn't have lost or the damages would not have been as high if he had competent, ethical counsel. That's going to be tough to prove from what I have seen and read. You can't claim malpractice because my attorney refused to conceal discoverable evidence and that made me commit perjury.
It's a civil case, he was not found guilty. He was found to be liable to the plaintiffs. No freebie for attorney incompetence in a civil case. You hired him/her. Really don't know what you mean by "penalty trial." Are you asking about punitive damages?
I have not followed the case. I know very little about Alex Jones save that he's a nut. If his attorney failed to timely assert a privilege regarding discovery, the attorney could be sued for malpractice by Jones. The jury verdict would not be effected by the mistake. If, on the other hand, the judge allowed evidence to be heard by the jury that he/she shouldn't have allowed, Jones could have a basis for appeal. From what I seen in this post, it appears that Jone's attorney made a mistake in the discovery phase of the case. If true, Jones is SOL.
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I think this video explains a lot of what I was getting at, with comments from a former Federal Prosecutor... Also explains why the Jan 6 Committee wants those texts and will soon have them. The scene with the judge explaining that reality to Jones and his attorneys is priceless...
First, in the current trial, Jone's attorney made the mistake of providing privileged documents to the opposing counsel. The opposing counsel very ethically pointed that out to Jone's attorney. Instead of asserting the "snap back" provision of the Texas discovery rules, the attorney, informally, just said ignore the text. That was not a sufficient response. Therefore the evidence was properly admitted at trial.
Second, the January 6th committee, became aware of the existence of the text messages and is seeking them. It really isn't a matter for the judge in the current case to decide. It will be for another judge to decide. It is a separate matter from this trial. It is an interesting issue. By producing them, Jones may have destroyed any privacy argument he had. In fact, the text copies may actually be the property of the Plaintiffs in the case. Huge mistake by Jone's attorney.
In regard to punitive damages, In Texas the jury first determines the liability and actual damages and renders a verdict. Then if the defendant is found liable and damages are awarded, the jury then deliberates on the issue of punitive damages. The reason is that if the jury does not find the defendant liable, there can't be punitive damages.
It is me. I am using this unoriginal, basic ass handle to hide from those who hunt me.
According to the link below, we can't estimate the upper limit on Jones' possible punitive damages without a breakdown of economic losses and non-economic damages comprising the $4.1 million damage figure that was already announced:
ARE THERE CAPS ON PUNITIVE DAMAGES IN TEXAS?
ARE THERE CAPS ON PUNITIVE DAMAGES IN TEXAS?
Yes, Texas does limit the amount of punitive damages a plaintiff may receive in a personal injury case. Punitive damages are capped at the greater of $200,000 in cases in which economic damages are not awarded or an amount equal to double the economic losses plus an equal amount of non-economic damages up to $750,000.
There are some situations in which the caps on punitive damages could be waived for violating sections of the Texas Penal Code. For example, caps on punitive damages are waived in cases involving intoxication assault or intoxication manslaughter.
What Are Punitive Damages in Texas?
Damages in a personal injury case include financial losses (economic damages). They also include the pain and suffering you experienced because of the accident and injury (non-economic damages).
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In the video of the judge announcing the verdict, she read off 6-8 separate monetary verdicts for different counts (that presumably added up to $4.1 million). I don't know what all those counts were, but I'm guessing some of them were to recover moving and security expenses they testified about (which presumably are economic losses shared by the couple).
Since there are two parents, I assume each of them has a separate right to whatever the maximum punitive damages would be. If so, I hope they won't have to share the same dollar limit on punitive damages.
Privileged?
Are you saying Jones' lawyer coughed up messages between him and Jones?
I don't think anything like that was shown in the TV summaries of the trial,
I'm happy to announce that I was apparently too small in my thinking:According to the link below, we can't estimate the upper limit on Jones' possible punitive damages without a breakdown of economic losses and non-economic damages comprising the $4.1 million damage figure that was already announced:
ARE THERE CAPS ON PUNITIVE DAMAGES IN TEXAS?Yes, Texas does limit the amount of punitive damages a plaintiff may receive in a personal injury case. Punitive damages are capped at the greater of $200,000 in cases in which economic damages are not awarded or an amount equal to double the economic losses plus an equal amount of non-economic damages up to $750,000.
There are some situations in which the caps on punitive damages could be waived for violating sections of the Texas Penal Code. For example, caps on punitive damages are waived in cases involving intoxication assault or intoxication manslaughter.
What Are Punitive Damages in Texas?
Damages in a personal injury case include financial losses (economic damages). They also include the pain and suffering you experienced because of the accident and injury (non-economic damages).
In the video of the judge announcing the verdict, she read off 6-8 separate monetary verdicts for different counts (that presumably added up to $4.1 million). I don't know what all those counts were, but I'm guessing some of them were to recover moving and security expenses they testified about (which presumably are economic losses shared by the couple).
Since there are two parents, I assume each of them has a separate right to whatever the maximum punitive damages would be. If so, I hope they won't have to share the same dollar limit on punitive damages.
A jury finds Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $45.2 million in punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim
A Texas jury has decided to penalize Alex Jones with $45.2 million in punitive damages in a lawsuit filed by the parents of Sandy Hook shooting victim Jesse Lewis.
www.cnn.com
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
Just a drop in the bucket to what's coming. I wonder if succeeding juries will penalize him even more? Plus there's that pesky little perjury issue that will likely bite him in his fat ass...I'm happy to announce that I was apparently too small in my thinking:
A jury finds Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $45.2 million in punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim
A Texas jury has decided to penalize Alex Jones with $45.2 million in punitive damages in a lawsuit filed by the parents of Sandy Hook shooting victim Jesse Lewis.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
So which of Tucker's bromance partners is the most despicable? Alex or Viktor Orban...
Jones is just an opportunistic POS making money off of rubes.
Orban is a f**king Nazi.
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It sounds like they turned over his entire cellphone records. It also sounds like there was a protective order in place.
But that doesn’t make those records “privileged.” They might have been irrelevant to the discovery requests and so didn’t need to be turned over. It almost certainly is the case that they would have met the definition of confidentiality in the order (most likely agreed by both parties).
I’m guessing the plaintiffs lawyers didn’t jump through the hoops required under the confidentiality order to designate certain texts emails etc (which is probably the majority of stuff) as confidential.
You could say that about Stephen Colbert. People are rubes who watch this unfunny hack. Alex Jones in the few videos I have seen of him is vastly more funny than Steve. We all know his name is Steve and his last name is pronounced Co Bert. He's just trying to sound like those wimpy french people.
So you find mocking dead children humorous? Good to know.
There's a bit of a false equivalency there.
Colbert is a late night talk show host who tells JOKES for a living. Often those jokes revolve around the news of the week. Nobody tunes into Colbert to be informed about current events. They tune in expecting to laugh.
Jones is a news / opinion show with an occasional joke thrown in. His primary role is to talk about the news of the week. Nobody tunes into Jones to see him making jokes. They tune in to be "informed" about current events.
Most people do not take seriously what Colbert says, you know, because he is a COMEDIAN.
Most people who watch Jones take his word as gospel. He is now paying the price for that difference.
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I rarely watch Colbert, but I'm guessing he's not harassing the family of shooting victims and calling them paid actors either. I'm guessing he would be getting in trouble too if he did the things Jones did.
It’s sad you had to explain this to VPM. Now, he’ll either ignore it, or double-down, move the goalpost, and respond with a non-answer. Like COHVAC, he is incapable of admitting he’s wrong.
It was probably the biggest show trial in history. He was never even allowed to put on a defense and was told he'd be jailed if he told the truth while testifying. It's frightening how little you libs know about our legal system.
Except that none of that is true.
It's frightening the people you support. Your moral compass is broke.
As long as he has a platform and followers like dbm it will never end.
I mean, he kind of gave up that right when he didn't show up to the trial when it was his chance to mount a defense, but keep pumping that disinformation.
He has himself to blame. They actually showed tapes of him blasting the sitting judge in his trial. That's a special kind of stupid, one that a few Trumpers on here can relate to.
