FBI reopens Clinton case

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I heard it reported on the radio. Don't remember the network, but it wasn't a disreputable source.

It is now.

This life insurance thing started on Twitter and Reddit. It was trolling by Trump followers. Of course, the right wing blogosphere picked it up and ran it as a serious claim. If your radio guy ran it as a report, all that means is he takes stories on sites like ZeroHedge and SilverDoctors seriously.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It has been reported that some of the emails have official state department and Clinton private email addresses on them. If so, they should not be stored on Tony's laptop.

I assume you know the courts don't give out search warrants like Halloween candy. The warrant and its supporting affidavit would be of tremendous help. I've looked twice and am unable to find it. I know you spend more time on line than I do. If you can find the affidavit posted someplace please link to it.

One of the articles I saw Saturday included a copy of an email that Huma had forwarded from her Clinton server account to he state.gov account and then from there to her personal account. Don't know why she did all that. Most of the email was redacted. I believe it was one obtained by Judicial Watch.

Just provided for information purposes.

 

[DrHoops]

The radio. LOL. To which "news" show were you listening?

I heard it reported on the radio. Don't remember the network, but it wasn't a disreputable source.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It has been reported that some of the emails have official state department and Clinton private email addresses on them. If so, they should not be stored on Tony's laptop.

I suspect that's more ZeroHedge nonsense, but even if that's true, so what? Think about what you're actually saying. An email might have HRC's email address on it? Yeah, it might. If HRC sent Huma an email asking about her favorite coffee, that would have HRC's email address on it, and there would be nothing wrong with Huma having that email on her laptop.

 

[DrHoops]

How would Judicial Watch have a copy of an email on Saturday when the search warrant wasn't issued until yesterday (Sunday)? Link it.

One of the articles I saw Saturday included a copy of an email that Huma had forwarded from her Clinton server account to he state.gov account and then from there to her personal account. Don't know why she did all that. Most of the email was redacted. I believe it was one obtained by Judicial Watch.

Just provided for information purposes.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The radio. LOL. To which "news" show were you listening?

Walter Cronkite. He had just finished voting and gave a commentary

 

[DrHoops]

So...you're just spouting uninformed nonsense. Cool!

Walter Cronkite. He had just finished voting and gave a commentary

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

One of the articles I saw Saturday included a copy of an email that Huma had forwarded from her Clinton server account to he state.gov account and then from there to her personal account. Don't know why she did all that. Most of the email was redacted. I believe it was one obtained by Judicial Watch.

Just provided for information purposes.

Not really news, though. We already knew Huma forwarded emails to herself to print them. She told the FBI about that already. The redacted email you are talking about probably comes from back then. Are they trying to claim it's an email from this new laptop cache? Before the FBI even looks at them, someone leaked one?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I suspect that's more ZeroHedge nonsense, but even if that's true, so what? Think about what you're actually saying. An email might have HRC's email address on it? Yeah, it might. If HRC sent Huma an email asking about her favorite coffee, that would have HRC's email address on it, and there would be nothing wrong with Huma having that email on her laptop.

you still have trouble with the trees and forest thing.

A court issued a search warrant. The search warrant is based upon an affidavit. The affidavit must contain factual information providing a basis for the court to approve a search of a citizen's private property. Maybe you think an affidavit that said "Huma used Tony's laptop" is sufficient for a warrant, but I don't.

 

[hootch1]

Well, obviously, you're right that we don't know what's in this batch of emails. Judging by the number reported, I suspect a whole, whole lot of them will be spam.

I think the supposition about there being something significant in them stems from the FBI's surprise declaration. If they were perusing the messages and came across nothing but Nigerian phishing scams, massive discounts on Viagra, and the occasional pic of Anthony's Weiner, then I can't imagine they'd have done what they did.

Despite all the flak he's taking right now (and took several months ago), James Comey has a reputation of doing things by the book and without regard for the underlying politics. So I'd say it's natural to guess that they came across something significant, given his lurch back into the political crossfire 10 days before an election.

They just received the warrant today. They had no idea what is in the system when Comey wrote the letter on Friday. His wording in the letter to Congress was accusatory. Comey's letter to the FBI, while still contrary to DOJ policy, was more guarded.

His letter was red meat. His letter to the FBI was something to sniff around to determine whether it's good or bad.

edited for coherence

 

[DrHoops]

So what? Search warrants are issued all the time. I hope, as an attorney, you're not trying to make the case that Huma (or Hillary) is guilty of a crime because a warrant was issued.

Sadly, I kinda think that's what you ARE saying.

you still have trouble with the trees and forest thing.

A court issued a search warrant. The search warrant is based upon an affidavit. The affidavit must contain factual information providing a basis for the court to approve a search of a citizen's private property. Maybe you think an affidavit that said "Huma used Tony's laptop" is sufficient for a warrant, but I don't.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

They had no idea what is in the system when Comey wrote the letter on Friday.

I think they knew enough to ask for a warrant. That would be many steps above "no idea".

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

you still have trouble with the trees and forest thing.

A court issued a search warrant. The search warrant is based upon an affidavit. The affidavit must contain factual information providing a basis for the court to approve a search of a citizen's private property. Maybe you think an affidavit that said "Huma used Tony's laptop" is sufficient for a warrant, but I don't.

And you still have trouble with basic common sense.

They needed the warrant in order to read the emails.

Once you understand that, you realize all the speculation about how bad the emails must be is nonsense. THEY HAVEN'T READ THEM YET.

 

[DrHoops]

I'm not a lawyer, but the giant leaps you're taking are hilarious.

I think they knew enough to ask for a warrant. That would be many steps above "no idea".

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So what? Search warrants are issued all the time. I hope, as an attorney, you're not trying to make the case that Huma (or Hillary) is guilty of a crime because a warrant was issued.

Sadly, I kinda think that's what you ARE saying.

I said they know enough to obtain a warrant. Yes, search warrants are issued all the time. But that doesn't mean that the courts hand them out like free candy. I have no control over what you think I am saying, nor do I really care, so carry on.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

And you still have trouble with basic common sense.

They needed the warrant in order to read the emails.

Once you understand that, you realize all the speculation about how bad the emails must be is nonsense. THEY HAVEN'T READ THEM YET.

UM, I haven't engaged in speculation about how bad the emails are. Give your common sense lecture to the person who so speculated.

 

[DrHoops]

Who said they did? You're posting here like some kind of buffoon, when you're a trained attorney. I expect that from Lucy, but you?

I said they know enough to obtain a warrant. Yes, search warrants are issued all the time. But that doesn't mean that the courts hand them out like free candy. I have no control over what you think I am saying, nor do I really care, so carry on.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I'm not a lawyer

you should have stopped there.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I think they knew enough to ask for a warrant. That would be many steps above "no idea".

Abedin was under a court order to turn over all emails related to Clinton's server. Would not finding thousands of emails on a laptop where she did not disclose having email stored not be enough for a warrant in and by itself? Site unseen, just the fact that she never accounted for having emails on that device seems to be plenty for a court to authorize a warrant to this non-lawyer.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Not really news, though. We already knew Huma forwarded emails to herself to print them. She told the FBI about that already. The redacted email you are talking about probably comes from back then. Are they trying to claim it's an email from this new laptop cache? Before the FBI even looks at them, someone leaked one?

Yes, that's where it came from and she forwarded it to her private email account that she had disclosed to the FBI. Don't know that she accessed that particular email form Weiner's laptop, but I'd guess that emails like that (probably that one too) are what they'll find on it. Incidentally, it was redacted due to sensitive information. Forwarding sensitive information to private accounts is also a violation of federal government policy, but we already know those rules didn't apply to HRC or her select staffers so that doesn't matter. If it weren't for Trump I'd feel dirty for wanting HRC to win this election, but Trump is that bad.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

UM, I haven't engaged in speculation about how bad the emails are. Give your common sense lecture to the person who so speculated.

You have to be kidding me. That's all you've been doing this entire thread, other than repeating speculation found on conspiracy theory blogs and claiming you heard it on the radio.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Abedin was under a court order to turn over all emails related to Clinton's server. Would not finding thousands of emails on a laptop where she did not disclose having email stored not be enough for a warrant in and by itself? Site unseen, just the fact that she never accounted for having emails on that device seems to be plenty for a court to authorize a warrant to this non-lawyer.

I don't think she was under such a court order. The only orders I know about are the FOIA orders that Judicial Watch and others are litigating.

That said, she supposedly told the FBI she turned over all her emails and devices. Whether finding additional ones is enough for a SW is questionable. I think it would take more, I suspect different judges would see this differently. The FBI could have asked her for a turnover like they did previously. Moreover, Comey is on record as saying the Clinton investigation was completed. Now it isn't. I think that is significant.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You have to be kidding me. That's all you've been doing this entire thread, other than repeating speculation found on conspiracy theory blogs and claiming you heard it on the radio.

Read more carefully. I have not commented about the content of the emails. I commented about the device they were found on and some the metadata; not the content.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I don't think she was under such a court order. The only orders I know about are the FOIA orders that Judicial Watch and others are litigating.

That said, she supposedly told the FBI she turned over all her emails and devices. Whether finding additional ones is enough for a SW is questionable. I think it would take more, I suspect different judges would see this differently. The FBI could have asked her for a turnover like they did previously. Moreover, Comey is on record as saying the Clinton investigation was completed. Now it isn't. I think that is significant.

What I could find is this, if she had sworn under threat of perjury that all information had been turned over and the FBI had no record of this device having been looked at, it seems the bar is awful low.

 

[DrHoops]

Nice. Well, you're embarrassing yourself.

you should have stopped there.

 

[DrHoops]

Um...perhaps it's redacted because you're not allowed to blast personal information out to the public. Again, you don't know what's contained in those emails. Redactions are made for many reasons, not only because there is "sensitive information". Jeesh.

Yes, that's where it came from and she forwarded it to her private email account that she had disclosed to the FBI. Don't know that she accessed that particular email form Weiner's laptop, but I'd guess that emails like that (probably that one too) are what they'll find on it. Incidentally, it was redacted due to sensitive information. Forwarding sensitive information to private accounts is also a violation of federal government policy, but we already know those rules didn't apply to HRC or her select staffers so that doesn't matter. If it weren't for Trump I'd feel dirty for wanting HRC to win this election, but Trump is that bad.

 

[twenty02]

you still have trouble with the trees and forest thing.

A court issued a search warrant. The search warrant is based upon an affidavit. The affidavit must contain factual information providing a basis for the court to approve a search of a citizen's private property. Maybe you think an affidavit that said "Huma used Tony's laptop" is sufficient for a warrant, but I don't.

So they just obtained the search warrant....but you've been on here talking about how emails were organized, what they had on their headers, who/where they were sent, etc....

Do you have psychic powers? Is the FBI leaking like a migrants boat?

How in the hell do you know any of this? Do you routinely fabricate information?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So they just obtained the search warrant....but you've been on here talking about how emails were organized, what they had on their headers, who/where they were sent, etc....

Do you have psychic powers? Is the FBI leaking like a migrants boat?

How in the hell do you know any of this? Do you routinely fabricate information?

I plead guilty to saying the emails were in a particular file called "life insurance". That seemed to have a short shelf life, but it hasn't been refuted as far as I know.

The remainder of your rant is misplaced. The sex-crime agents who found these spent time looking at the messages prior to taking the isse up the liine and finally to Comey. They looked at the metadata which of course would be necessary in order obtain a warrant. The courts won't allow federal agents to snoop around on a computer just cuz.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

What I could find is this, if she had sworn under threat of perjury that all information had been turned over and the FBI had no record of this device having been looked at, it seems the bar is awful low.

I don't understand. what do you mean by "the bar is awful low"?

 

[DrHoops]

I think they're in a file called "CO. Hoosier Unhinged Conspiracy Theories". I don't know if it's true, but it hasn't been refuted yet.

I plead guilty to saying the emails were in a particular file called "life insurance". That seemed to have a short shelf life, but it hasn't been refuted as far as I know.

The remainder of your rant is misplaced. The sex-crime agents who found these spent time looking at the messages prior to taking the isse up the liine and finally to Comey. They looked at the metadata which of course would be necessary in order obtain a warrant. The courts won't allow federal agents to snoop around on a computer just cuz.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Read more carefully. I have not commented about the content of the emails. I commented about the device they were found on and some the metadata; not the content.

You have repeatedly insisted the emails should not be on that laptop. I have repeatedly demonstrate that such a claim requires knowledge of the content of the emails. Yet you insist it to still be true. Put 2 and 2 together.

 

[twenty02]

I plead guilty to saying the emails were in a particular file called "life insurance". That seemed to have a short shelf life, but it hasn't been refuted as far as I know.

The remainder of your rant is misplaced. The sex-crime agents who found these spent time looking at the messages prior to taking the isse up the liine and finally to Comey. They looked at the metadata which of course would be necessary in order obtain a warrant. The courts won't allow federal agents to snoop around on a computer just cuz.

I don't doubt that some of that was necessary to get a further warrant....but where exactly has any of this metadata been publicized?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I don't doubt that some of that was necessary to get a further warrant....but where exactly has any of this metadata been publicized?

It's been leaked. Apparently the FBI used some kind of a search program to find emails with particular addresses and subjects--without reading the emails themselves. This kind of info would be necessary to obtain a search warrant. This kind of metadata search conducted without a warrant also lies at the heart of the NSA Patriot Act metadata screening that has often been discussed.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You have repeatedly insisted the emails should not be on that laptop. I have repeatedly demonstrate that such a claim requires knowledge of the content of the emails. Yet you insist it to still be true. Put 2 and 2 together.

I have no idea what your point is. Try again.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I think they're in a file called "CO. Hoosier Unhinged Conspiracy Theories". I don't know if it's true, but it hasn't been refuted yet.

Whate ever turns your crank bro.

 

[twenty02]

It's been leaked. Apparently the FBI used some kind of a search program to find emails with particular addresses and subjects--without reading the emails themselves. This kind of info would be necessary to obtain a search warrant. This kind of metadata search conducted without a warrant also lies at the heart of the NSA Patriot Act metadata screening that has often been discussed.

Ok....wasn't clear what you were talking about before.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Um...perhaps it's redacted because you're not allowed to blast personal information out to the public. Again, you don't know what's contained in those emails. Redactions are made for many reasons, not only because there is "sensitive information". Jeesh.

The redaction was made due to sensitive information per the markings. Why don't you just STFU when you don't know what you're talking about?

 

[DrHoops]

Well, since you haven't seen any of the emails (and neither has the FBI until today), why don't you STFU, moron, because YOU don't know about what you're talking? Why don't you link your information? Also, you imply sensitive information is some sort of classified information, when "sensitive" can be anything.

Link it.

The redaction was made due to sensitive information per the markings. Why don't you just STFU when you don't know what you're talking about?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I have no idea what your point is. Try again.

Let me try one more time, in reference to your metadata.

The fact that they found emails sent to or from Huma's state.gov account, or to or from any clintonemails.com account, would be enough to get a warrant, but not enough to draw the conclusion you've been pushing this whole thread: that this is really bad because we know those emails shouldn't be there. No, we don't know that, because we need to read the text itself to know that.

I believe the first time I tried to get you to calm down and not jump to conclusions was on page 2. We are now on page 10. So I'm done with this.

 

[DrHoops]

Has that been disputed?

Whate ever turns your crank bro.