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Elon Musk and Twitter

Can Elon totaly destroy Twitter and it's government ties without spending a dime in the end? This could be very popcorn worthy. @takingDoxxingtotheuniverselevel
 
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Can Elon totaly destroy Twitter and it's government ties without spending a dime in the end? This could be very popcorn worthy. @takingDoxxingtotheuniverselevel
Actually, I think Musk will end up being the biggest loser in this mess. It's clear that he cannot come up with the $ and is trying to weasel his way out of the deal. He will be lucky if all he loses is the $1B walkaway fee and ~$100 million in legal fees.
 
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Actually, I think Musk will end up being the biggest loser in this mess. It's clear that he cannot come up with the $ and is trying to weasel his way out of the deal. He will be lucky if all he loses is the $1B walkaway fee and ~$100 million in legal fees.
We will see, I can see multiple different things shaking out from his due diligence. I thought he already had the funding together? I didn't think he could get the fed's approval to move forward without have funding secured first and to their approval.
Didn't Dorsey make some statement about hoping Musk could clean it up or something? Any chance that is some flag?
I'm not following it much other than headlines, but it'll be interesting.
 
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I've just wondered about these figures on Instagram etc. Followers, at least in part, determine the monetary value for celebs and athletes and influencers for product ads. Hell of a thing if you're paying and half the followers aren't humans
I don’t even know how they can identify that a follower isn’t human. Well, even though you can do it here . . .
 
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I don’t even know how they can identify that a follower isn’t human. Well, even though you can do it here . . .
I don't either. Businesses dump a bunch of dough on social media campaigns with the expectation that they will be seen by X number of real accounts. Crazy if that number is way less. The analytics and all of it could be bs
 
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I don't either. Businesses dump a bunch of dough on social media campaigns with the expectation that they will be seen by X number of real accounts. Crazy if that number is way less. The analytics and all of it could be bs
You seriously think that CMOs and their teams do not know the score when it comes to bots? Social media spends are not just randomly sent out to Twitter users. Even if 10-20% of Twitter accounts are bots (which is highly doubtful), the money is not being spent on them.
 
Half of president Biden's followers are fake accounts. Crazy.
And the same study supposedly found that over 70% of Musk's followers are fake accounts (which technically includes accounts that are simply no longer active, as well as some others that are not necessarily "fake accounts").
 
You seriously think that CMOs and their teams do not know the score when it comes to bots? Social media spends are not just randomly sent out to Twitter users. Even if 10-20% of Twitter accounts are bots (which is highly doubtful), the money is not being spent on them.
I really don't know anything about Twitter. I'm assuming it's the same for Instagram. I know that many campaigns on Instagram are small businesses that have no idea what a cmo is and they certainly don't have a team. So when they plug in their demographics/targets what I'd be curious to know is what percentage of ads are hitting bots as opposed to actual "human" accounts.

Walker Zimmerman might charge $1,500 for an instagram story based on 50k followers. The assumption is the followers are legit to obviously increase engagement numbers. If they aren't the value is off
 
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I really don't know anything about Twitter. I'm assuming it's the same for Instagram. I know that many campaigns on Instagram are small businesses that have no idea what a cmo is and they certainly don't have a team. So when they plug in their demographics/targets what I'd be curious to know is what percentage of ads are hitting bots as opposed to actual "human" accounts.
It doesn't take a CMO to do it right. There are lots or reputable service providers that will assist small businesses in running social media campaigns.

 
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You seriously think that CMOs and their teams do not know the score when it comes to bots? Social media spends are not just randomly sent out to Twitter users. Even if 10-20% of Twitter accounts are bots (which is highly doubtful), the money is not being spent on them.
You still feeling confident no more than 10%
-20% of Twitter are bots?
 
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You seriously think that CMOs and their teams do not know the score when it comes to bots? Social media spends are not just randomly sent out to Twitter users. Even if 10-20% of Twitter accounts are bots (which is highly doubtful), the money is not being spent on them.
How could they know Noodle? The source code is private. Musk wanted portions, maybe all to be open source. That's transparency. I really wonder if the SEC will investigate this. This gives cooking the books a whole new meaning.

Why do you think 10-20% is highly doubtful? Seems like Elon has pulled the curtain back on these peeps.

What's worse...Project Veritas is up to their old tricks again and have a couple twitter execs on hidden cameras mouthing all kinds of crap. I'll post some of that later this morning, but these twitter peeps, as most already know are not good people. They say some disgusting things about Elon.
 
I don't either. Businesses dump a bunch of dough on social media campaigns with the expectation that they will be seen by X number of real accounts. Crazy if that number is way less. The analytics and all of it could be bs
Lawsuits!
 
Lawsuits!
I thought about that. And again I don't really know much about bots (i.e. nothing) or twitter. I spent a little time checking out the company that noodle linked. I think you'd have a hard time claiming misrepresentations on the part of instagram or the influencer. if an influencer has one million followers and charges $5,000 to post a pic wearing your clothes or whatever predicated on their 7 figure followers, you can go through their list of followers and i think in a matter of seconds discern whether they look legit or bought. You start clicking and see a lot of 0 posts 7 followers 14 following etc
 
I thought about that. And again I don't really know much about bots (i.e. nothing) or twitter. I spent a little time checking out the company that noodle linked. I think you'd have a hard time claiming misrepresentations on the part of instagram or the influencer. if an influencer has one million followers and charges $5,000 to post a pic wearing your clothes or whatever predicated on their 7 figure followers, you can go through their list of followers and i think in a matter of seconds discern whether they look legit or bought. You start clicking and see a lot of 0 posts 7 followers 14 following etc
You'd have to look at the contract obviously or prove Twitter knew the bot % but did not disclose it to their customers.

Google had a suit against it years back for pay-per-click billing, alleging they knew a certain % were bots or fraudulent clicks that werre just clicking on ads to drive up costs.

I knew a lawyer who worked in the asbestos field (I did that work on the defense side for a year, brutal) who said some plaintiff's firms had their staff spending a certain amount to time a day to search for and click on rival's meso ads--think they were (are) going for hundreds of dollars per click.
 
You'd have to look at the contract obviously or prove Twitter knew the bot % but did not disclose it to their customers.

Google had a suit against it years back for pay-per-click billing, alleging they knew a certain % were bots or fraudulent clicks that werre just clicking on ads to drive up costs.

I knew a lawyer who worked in the asbestos field (I did that work on the defense side for a year, brutal) who said some plaintiff's firms had their staff spending a certain amount to time a day to search for and click on rival's meso ads--think they were (are) going for hundreds of dollars per click.
for sure. asbestos is miserable. my ex is a paralegal at an asbestos firm. her boss somehow landed a bunch of ex navy service guys. rolling in dough
 
for sure. asbestos is miserable. my ex is a paralegal at an asbestos firm. her boss somehow landed a bunch of ex navy service guys. rolling in dough
Yeah, I had to go down to your neck of the woods a lot for that job: Madison County. Wow, what an experience.

Actually had a judge physically throw a motion to continue in my face, hit me smack in the nose, while the plaintiff's attorney standing there in a golf shirt and shorts just smiled. They were on a first name basis, in court, don't you know.
 
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Yeah, I had to go down to your neck of the woods a lot for that job: Madison County. Wow, what an experience.

Actually had a judge physically throw a motion to continue in my face, hit me smack in the nose, while the plaintiff's attorney standing there in a golf shirt and shorts just smiled. They were on a first name basis, in court, don't you know.
Simmons Cooper. That county court was once featured on 60 minutes as a judicial hellhole. They were setting complex cases on 90 day rocket dockets
 
Simmons Cooper. That county court was once featured on 60 minutes as a judicial hellhole. They were setting complex cases on 90 day rocket dockets
Oh, I know. I'm pretty sure I attended depositions in their offices in Alton at some point. What a joke those were. 20 lawyers sitting around folding tables (one firm had an old elementary school as their offices and the deps were in the service garage) asking a set of rote questions. All of them in their 20s. 90% not paying attention, some actually reading the newspaper, holding it in front of their faces, while this poor guy testified.

The worst were the deps of the meso plaintiffs, though. All of those took place in their homes, most with the plaintiff lying in a bed on a ventilator, within months of death. I remember for one of those, the plaintiff lived in a single-wide trailer in Decatur, Illinois. Could only fit one defense lawyer in the trailer at a time with the court reporter and plaintiffs attorney, so you took turns going in to depose this man on his deathbed "Did you see product so-and-so? How did you know? How many times did you handle it? etc." Meanwhile, out in the trailer park, you had 20 lawyers in their cars, waiting to be called in next. Ugly, ugly scene.
 
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Oh, I know. I'm pretty sure I attended depositions in their offices in Alton at some point. What a joke those were. 20 lawyers sitting around folding tables (one firm had an old elementary school as their offices and the deps were in the service garage) asking a set of rote questions. All of them in their 20s. 90% not paying attention, some actually reading the newspaper, holding it in front of their faces, while this poor guy testified.

The worst were the deps of the meso plaintiffs, though. All of those took place in their homes, most with the plaintiff lying in a bed on a ventilator, within months of death. I remember for one of those, the plaintiff lived in a single-wide trailer in Decatur, Illinois. Could only fit one defense lawyer in the trailer at a time with the court reporter and plaintiffs attorney, so you took turns going in to depose this man on his deathbed "Did you see product so-and-so? How did you know? How many times did you handle it? etc." Meanwhile, out in the trailer park, you had 20 lawyers in their cars, waiting to be called in next. Ugly, ugly scene.
My God that sounds horrible. Just miserable
 
Oh, I know. I'm pretty sure I attended depositions in their offices in Alton at some point. What a joke those were. 20 lawyers sitting around folding tables (one firm had an old elementary school as their offices and the deps were in the service garage) asking a set of rote questions. All of them in their 20s. 90% not paying attention, some actually reading the newspaper, holding it in front of their faces, while this poor guy testified.

The worst were the deps of the meso plaintiffs, though. All of those took place in their homes, most with the plaintiff lying in a bed on a ventilator, within months of death. I remember for one of those, the plaintiff lived in a single-wide trailer in Decatur, Illinois. Could only fit one defense lawyer in the trailer at a time with the court reporter and plaintiffs attorney, so you took turns going in to depose this man on his deathbed "Did you see product so-and-so? How did you know? How many times did you handle it? etc." Meanwhile, out in the trailer park, you had 20 lawyers in their cars, waiting to be called in next. Ugly, ugly scene.
SimmonsCooper. So here's a wild story/connection. Jeff Cooper went to law school with my close buddy and partner in our manufacturing business. They were good friends throughout law school. He invited my buddy way back then to join him in the asbestos shit but my buddy passed. My buddy is as dumb as I am, obviously. So jeff's wife is sorority sisters with hunter biden's ex wife. In the mid 2000s Jeff started filing asbestos suits in Delaware with Beau Biden as his local counsel. He made a shit ton of money on them and a few years later left and started an investment firm in edwardsville, and attempted to lure an mls team to stl, incidentally. He was so rich at that point he was just Fing around. Hunter Biden was the manager of his investment firm in Edwardsville. Dems are very good for judicial hellholes. Madison co is super dirty
 
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SimmonsCooper. So here's a wild story/connection. Jeff Cooper went to law school with my close buddy and partner in our manufacturing business. They were good friends throughout law school. He invited my buddy way back then to join him in the asbestos shit but my buddy passed. My buddy is as dumb as I am, obviously. So jeff's wife is sorority sisters with hunter biden's ex wife. In the mid 2000s Jeff started filing asbestos suits in Delaware with Beau Biden as his local counsel. He made a shit ton of money on them and a few years later left and started an investment firm in edwardsville, and attempted to lure an mls team to stl. He was so rich at that point he was just Fing around. Hunter Biden was the manager of his investment firm in Edwardsville. Dems are very good for judicial hellholes
See, I'm an idiot as well. All wealthy plaintiff's lawyers do that kind of semi-corrupt stuff--hire the best friend of the judge, contribute lots of money to political campaigns, hire the politically connected dude. I've always refused to go that route.

In securities stuff, I'm still shocked the WSJ hasn't done an in-depth investigation of the links between the giant pension funds, the politicos associated with them, and the securities class action bar. The degree of kickbacks and bribery going on there is staggering.

I know, I know: the classic loser's excuse. I just don't have enough Marty Byrde in me.

(I'm now imagining how Ozark could have worked in Marty being involved in an Indiana State message board during the show, and how another poster figures out he's working for the cartel and blackmails him.

Wait, McM, you have been making these vague references to "manufacturing" and "overseas suppliers." Now, shadowing connections to Hunter Biden. Are YOU in the cartel?????)
 
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See, I'm an idiot as well. All wealthy plaintiff's lawyers do that kind of semi-corrupt stuff--hire the best friend of the judge, contribute lots of money to political campaigns, hire the politically connected dude. I've always refused to go that route.

In securities stuff, I'm still shocked the WSJ hasn't done an in-depth investigation of the links between the giant pension funds, the politicos associated with them, and the securities class action bar. The degree of kickbacks and bribery going on there is staggering.

I know, I know: the classic loser's excuse. I just don't have enough Marty Byrde in me.

(I'm now imagining how Ozark could have worked in Marty being involved in an Indiana State message board during the show, and how another poster figures out he's working for the cartel and blackmails him.

Wait, McM, you have been making these vague references to "manufacturing" and "overseas suppliers." Now, shadowing connections to Hunter Biden. Are YOU in the cartel?????)
No we only manufacture products with terrible margins and lukewarm public interest.

aren't securities cases all arbitration too?
 
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No we only manufacture products with terrible margins and lukewarm public interest.

aren't securities cases all arbitration too?
No, securities cases involving investment advisors are arbs. Securities fraud actions are fed ct class actions
 
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