Dusty May….
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It is simply because you're blinded by your agenda See you at the game Hilltopper!
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You do realize that Knight won 60 something % or less of his games like 13 times right? Should he have been fired? And Knight took over a team that won 70% of its games the year before he came. IU won 44% of it’s games the year before Woodson got here.
He has taken us to 2 straight tournaments and won at least 1 game in each. That’s not nothing.
Additionally where in the hell did basketball fans get the idea that every year should be better than the last? After Knight went undefeated in 76 should we have ran him out of town because he had a 14 win season? Or because it took him 4 years to win more than 22 games after that glorious year? Was Knight suddenly bad at roster management? The answer of course is hell no. Every player you recruit doesn’t pan out. Every year poses its own set of challenges and doesn’t always go your way even if you are literally the best coach to ever do it.
Woodson has won 20+ games and been to 2 tournaments in 2 yours. That’s after inheriting a very below average roster other than TJD. And he has dealt with major injuries to key players. Let the man coach!
This is groundhog day all over again. These are the same people taking the same sides uttering the same stuff.
We've got the group who blindly supports whatever coach we've got telling everybody that just be patient. It takes time to build a program.
And we've got the other side who are impatient and don't see the progress that they see at other programs with quick turnarounds, and don't understand why a place like IU, with its resources, don't get turned around quickly.
And in the meantime, you've got that school up North, winning the league. While they invariably lose in March, it's still no fun watching them win from November through March with Indiana kids.
I feel like it could be nearly any year from 2003 - 2023 (with just a couple exceptions). Same ole' same ole'...
We've got the group who blindly supports whatever coach we've got telling everybody that just be patient. It takes time to build a program.
And we've got the other side who are impatient and don't see the progress that they see at other programs with quick turnarounds, and don't understand why a place like IU, with its resources, don't get turned around quickly.
And in the meantime, you've got that school up North, winning the league. While they invariably lose in March, it's still no fun watching them win from November through March with Indiana kids.
I feel like it could be nearly any year from 2003 - 2023 (with just a couple exceptions). Same ole' same ole'...
No. Just no. These references to RMK just don't fly. He lost 1 game in 2 years and built up so much good will by 76 that he could've had a couple of zero win seasons in the B1G and he probably STILL wouldn't have been fired. That was a terrible example.
Now, if you want to talk about the late 90s, then we can talk. Him having a middling record and getting knocked out of the NCAA tournament in the first round every year. That was a problem. In reality, that's probably why he ultimately set himself up to get fired. If you stop winning, you have to start exhibiting good behavior.
Excuses..he is a short term coach. So win! If not, go ahead move on and get a coach who will build the program. Woodson is 65..:what is your goal for him.? If it is just to make the tourney, then move on and get someone who can elevate the program. Iu hasn’t been a power in 30 years because of bad hires. Right the ship!!
He also was a proven winner and had 3 rings on his hand.
Yeah, weak willed Duke fans said the same thing for 3 years ... Nova fans too ..
You may be right, you may be wrong, but it's nothing but a guess on your part painted with the fog of pessimistic bias but you present it as an absolute fact.
It's not ....
That's some Dunning Kruger hubris going on ... none of us know for certain, not one person ... unless you have the power of divination .. like Nostradumbass did.
Ok how about Sampson who people on this board seem to love. Dude didn’t win more games at Huston than Woodson has won here in a much easier conference until year 4. Won like 40% of his games in year 1.
My point is that it’s beyond moronic to want to fire any coach who is improving a program after 2.5 years.
How in the hell do you know? He could coach another 10 years. We have no idea.
And my point of my previous post is you have no idea what year 4,5,6 might look like. Almost every single coach no matter how good has some average or worse years. Woodson hasn’t had a bad year yet and people want to run him out.
True. None of us can predict the future. It's odd that Coach K (and now Jay Wright) is brought up. Those are not great comparisons, though.
First of all, they're massive exceptions to the rule, especially Coach K. Everyone who supports a coach who isn't winning big can point to Coach K in his first few seasons, can't they? LOL. But he is one of the two or three greatest college coaches of all time. There are many middling coaches every year. There are many average coaches every year. But there was only one coach K.
He was also a young coach when he first started at Duke. He grew into his into his job. I love how people keep mentioning how Woody is learning the job and getting better. How much better is a 65 year old coach going to get at this point? And how open is he to getting better? It's funny that you mentioned Dunning Kruger. How much of DK do you think might be happening with Woody having come from the Pros and possibly thinking that he already knows it all? The pro substitution patterns make one wonder...
And for the record, for all the people who said Jay Wright took forever to win, he made the Elite Eight in 5th year and a final four in his 8th year. He did have a bit of a rough time in his VIllanova career, I'll admit, but he had some elite 8s and final 4s mixed in with some not so great years.
IU may not be quite down at the level of Huston when Sampson got there but IU is in a much harder conference to win. And both Sampson then and Woodson now were seasoned coaches and it still didn’t happen for Sampson overnight like some seem to expect out of Woodson. And lastly why IU might not be at a level of Huston then we were closer to that than we were to the Duke, Kansas, and other dominant programs. Again Woodson inherited a team that won 40% of its games the year before he got here and outside of a couple years we haven’t been a consistently good team in more than 20 years.
Not a fair comparison for a lot of reasons, but here's a big one: $.
IU is in the B1G and has had B1G television money for a long time. Sampson didn't have that when he arrived at Houston. Woody did. Resources are different at the two schools.
I think what he’s saying is to quit bitching and complaining about every little thing as if it’s perfect everywhere else. The same people bitching about the last game are the same who bitch about parts of each game. I’m sure we all have issues with every coach but that doesn’t mean we should all run and bitch when something isn’t perfect. It’s never going to be perfect.
People bitch and moan about shooting and offense and defense but never do they list a solution. Why? Because 95% couldn’t do so. 95% see nothing but the ball. Do I like the way this roster is constructed? Hell no…it is flawed. That doesn’t mean we can’t have a good season.
Lol nothing will make the always negative people happy. It is a fair comparison because money or not you have to get guys to come play here and build a culture. Woodson has been here 2 year and improved each year. Those that want to pull the plug now are dumb.
And if you disagree then name the program that went from winning 40% of their games to consistently great because of money.
After Davis left, I wish IU would have hired some guy from New Castle that had great success at Manchester…and now at Nevada.😞
I am not convinced that Calvin Samscum isn't cheating in a major way in Houston. Do I have direct evidence? No, I don't. But I do know that Houston has had a history of cheating ie Guy Lewis and so has Samscum. So perhaps it is an example of like attracting like.
Three more years of growth with Woody then bring in the next big hire
I'm not saying he has to get to back-to-back championship games like Stevens, but I hope he stays at FAU long enough to see if he can make another Sweet 16 run or two. Right now he's just a guy who could have just gotten lucky. LAst year, FAU was one shot away from losing to Memphis in the first round. Then in the second round they were lucky enough to play a 16 seed instead of a 1 seed after Purdue choked. Then after a nice win against Tennessee, they almost lost again to KSU. Nobody would have remembered him if they lost any of those close games, but now he has some name recognition he can build on or he can just be remembered for that one run he made in a year of underdogs. But if he can keep it going for a few years, Woodson isn't getting any younger.
Samscum is 68/ Also, those who want him back are like guys who have girlfriends who cheat on them with their best friend and then think, "maybe she got it out of her system. She was a good girlfriend, so maybe we can work it out". No No NO!
RR,
to do well in the tourney, you need to be lucky. stevens was too.
but watch his teams play. their execution reflects good coaching.
Yep. I have no earthly idea why anyone would want Sampson. He's a good coach, but there's no way you bring in a 68 year old coach.
Watching against Zona ..
Win or loose ..Give me him...
Like a thousand times over Mike Woodson..
He can actually run out to meet his team with enthusiasm when they make a run..
Win or loose ..Give me him...
Like a thousand times over Mike Woodson..
He can actually run out to meet his team with enthusiasm when they make a run..
Why? Because they are winning the game? Any insight to what he’s doing?
He has guards that can make plays and also get to the free throw line. Great spacing. Everything Woodson has no clue about. Guards win in college basketball. Duhhhhhh
