Based on this logic, you must then be implying hiring someone with NO college coaching experience let alone proven success is like giving away your SSN to an overseas man you met online while looking for love?
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I think the issue is there's always an overwhelming sense of, "why this guy" after every hire IU has made since RMK. Sampson was the one who aligned most but even he came to IU under imposed sanctions. Sure, some had unrealistic hopes of landing a Donovan or Stevens but most are just wanting a true x's and o's coach. The IU program and its fans are able to recruit talent by itself, so we just need a leader that knows how to coach basketball.
Most want IU to do well so badly and would love for the right coach to be selected but the proof comes out in what's played out on the court.
If IU came out this year and played good or even if they showed improvement/showed an ability to acquire some basic fundamentals the team is severely lacking, then the results would reflect that, and no one would be questioning it. Since CMW has been here, he hasn't lost any players of real value while also obtaining many high-end players. Hell, for 2 of the years he had an All-American and last year teamed the AA up with a top 17 NBA pick at guard yet the success that was obtained does not match the level of talent IU has.
In the modern game, more so than ever before, most coaches for top teams are having to turn their rosters over year after year. So, there isn't a rebuilding period, per say. IU will very likely have guys go pro or transfer at seasons end and we will be back teaching new players the system. Knowing that, what have you seen that gives you confidence the program will experience something different than this year?
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I've never said that I'm confident that Woody turns the corner here. I just feel hiring Dusty May is kind of a knee jerk response if Woody is let go.
Wasn't Archie supposed to be that X's and O's guy we were craving? Even though FAU got to the Flast year, overall, his record there is meh. Certainly not on par with Archie's resume.
Anyway, if Dolson decides to hire May, ok, he's got my support and I'll hope that it pans out better than I suspect it will. Otherwise, two, three seasons down the road, here we go again.
We are not going to pay Woody over 12 million dollars to buy him out, so we can hire Dusty May! Especially, when his buy out goes down to 4.2 million next year. You can whine and moan all you want, but Woody will be your coach this year and next. I am going to cheer the team on and hope for the best! Go Hoosiers!
We also weren't going to pay Tom Allen almost 20 million....and we did.
It's not a knee jerk reaction as it's something that has been brewing even as last season was playing itself out. You can watch the FAU team play and see them being aggressive when the ball is in the air. What i mean by that is they're all instinctively forward thinking about how to position themselves for rebound based on where the shot is coming from. That becomes instinctual through repition which means thats exactly how they're being taught in practice. Its genuinely fundamental basketball. You could see the same thing with Bo Ryan or John Beilein coached teams.
To understand what I am saying, watch all 5 Indiana players vs Wisky tonight when an outside shot is attempted. 3 of the 5 (if not all 5) will stand still as their opponent is finding proper rebounding positioning or they're simply heading towards the other basket with no concern about a rebound. Its genuinely the most basic things that are not somehow being done and whether that's due to a lack of talent or a lost locker room, both end up in the same place.
I'm not asking for much and I know IU fans understand what an aggressive and well coached team looks like, with or without talent. Give me a well-coached aggressive team and we will see vastly higher success regardless of talent. I would LOVE for CMW to turn this team around. I'm not rooting against him but I'm also not going to give him excuses much in the same way I wouldn't Archie.
Absolutely not. The last thing Woody ever will be is an Xs and Os guru. You hire Woody because you believe with his NBA connections and that WWW pipeline that he can deliver recruiting classes that Cal once did year in and year out. Think the John Wall, Anthony Davis, KAT, etc classes. There's absolutely no other reason to hire Mike Woodson.
Truth be known, I was hoping IU would bring Belien in as a shorter term solution after the "home run hire" didn't happen.
Like I implied, I think the odds of a May hire being a lot like the Archie hire are pretty good. Something I used to hear Archie say A LOT was " these guys are just not understanding how engaged you have to be, how hard they have to play all the time". Would Dusty May get Anthony Walker to not stand flat footed and watch the opposition get offensive rebounds at will?
Again, if that is how things shake out, good luck to you Dusty. I'll hope that he's done enough three years down the road to not have people telling us why he was a bad hire in the first place.
You must mean $15.5 million. See, we can both do that. But no, I said "almost $20 million" because that was his buy-out and we negotiated a lower amount for an early payment plan because he didn't want to wait to coach.
Even if he did, your alternative suggestion is sit on a known losing commodity and be even further behind the process.
UK would not hire a guy with 4 near .500 seasons, even after he coached in the final four once.
Valid, I mixed you up with others defending we should keep Woody.
Yep, that's what I see. It's the lack of fundamentals, or reactions to or attempts at correcting them that has me convinced Woody ain't gettin' it done. Well, that and our offense...
