Dusty May….
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What a load of shit, was Tom Izzo an exception to the rule? What about everyone's new favorite Danny Hurley? Didn't even make the tournament his first two years and didn't even win a tournament game until year five. This board would've had him fired by year three.
Most every great college coach struggles in their first few years while trying to build their program. Woodson hasn't even had a struggling year so far and STILL people on this board want him fired in the middle of year three.
Also quit pretending like your taking both sides when you're clearly on the side of Woodson being run out for no reason. Own it.
I think where the convo runs off the rails is people calling for Woody's head, now.
There are valid concerns about his coaching, his roster management, etc... But he inherited a program that hadn't made the NCAA's in a fair bit, and that had lost a lot of its ties with its storied past...and they've made the NCAA's both his first two seasons, and he's done a great job mending those frayed seams that bind the current program with the important historical aspects that still make IU a "brand" worth following.
Now...how the rest of this season plays out will be important. And also how he builds next season's roster. If we miss the NCAA's, and he doesn't rebuild this team with more perimeter players... that "IU guy" goodwill only lasts so long.
What you said is May is the flavor of the month. You don't switch for a reason like that.
May has done well at FAU. Since he took over, they haven't had a losing season. Seems to recruit at the C-USA/AAC level well. Has built a solid culture. That's not flavor of the month stuff.
Getting to the NCAA championship is noteworthy, but there might be too much of an emphasis on that being the most attractive feather in his cap. In recent history, has there ever been a coach from one of these Cinderella teams that has parlayed his Final Four run into replicated success at a Power 5 school? Shaka Smart and Jim Larranaga have been good at Texas/Marquette and Miami respectively, but I'm not sure a place like IU would be happy with the way either coach has performed at those places.
And if a national championship run is enough to get IU to take a serious look at someone, Detroit Mercy's coach would probably be available....
That guy is a ND Football / IU Bball "fan". Take a look at an ND Football board and you'll see how that kind of thinking permeates that group. Hire the hot prospect, call for his head within two seasons. They were paying Davie, Willingham, and Weiss all at the same time they were paying for their active coach.
The domers bring their subway alumni thought process to the IU fanbase.
Yeah, I think there is a good body of work to show Dusty May is more than a flash in the pan.... at the FAU level. It is a whole different ballgame stepping up to a major P5 school though and that would concern me. But, I'm also not on the get rid of CMW bandwagon. All I've ever said is that the AD should be keeping communication open with CMW about his intentions and with guys like May and Beard, etc... so we're not caught flat-footed when that time comes.
the pattern is apparent
I'm sorry but Indiana hasn't made it to the sweet sixteen since Crean and Woodson has us
Flavor of the month? Final four last year #17 team
Raining three's in Nebra
You were correct raining three's from Nebraska.
No clue what you’re trying to say here. If Dusty May is your magic potion, be prepared to have the same conversation 3 years from now .
Not saying May is. But three years of Woodson I have seen enough. The offense sucks the defense sucks Beard, May, Pearl all could do better then this.
Season is over! I can’t stand to watch another game! God, we suck! Fire Woody! Our players suck!
Is that enough to join your club?
I swear it looks like a massive rebuild next year. Maybe every year is in this day and age, but I look at this roster and only see a couple guys I’d want back.
But you know iu won't make a change til things get really bad. It's the iu way.
X is done. Walker is done. Ware won’t be back.
If Im coaching I’d take any of the others back.
But definitely Reneau, Galloway, Mack, Cupps, and Newton.
McNeeley will be a welcomed addition. As would Queen and Davis.
Depending on how many others leave, I’d fill the roster out with versatile, 2 way guards and wings via the portal. Cast a wide net. Take the first 2-3 starter level guys that can defend and make plays offensively.
And Woody needs to look for players that are consistently solid on both ends of the floor. He hasn’t shown he can coach that in to a team yet. So he probably needs to seek out guys that have a higher chance of doing it on their own.
North you bring a lot of good things to this board. You are very knowledgeable and have really good insights into IU basketball. But if the answer for Mike Woodson after the season is to go get some guys in the portal that have basically already been coached into how to play basketball the right way because he can’t do it, it’s probably time to find a new guy. Unfortunately, I think you are right about the first part. I’m not sure he can do it.
If not for Ware we would be the worst team in the conference I suspect. And he is gone next year. Not a bright future it would seem.
It’s all stupid too. I think I covered all the NNW&CC member requirements. So I’m in! Right?
What does this girl hypothetically look like (scale 1-10) and what are my hypothetical other options and did she hypothetically send too many text messages?
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Are you looking for a woman either hypoethetically or for real? If you are then I wish you luck.
You proposed an analogy between KS and a hypothetical girlfriend and was trying to unravel the analogy. Sorry if it upset you. There are situations that the girlfriend deserved forgiveness in my view but apparently not in yours.
Hey I’m still waiting to watch and learn. When we going to start beating anyone that’s a power 5 team
I agree with this, starting to have my doubts. Plenty of examples how a great coach struggles for 3-5 years and then gets it rolling. Not sure how many of those started coaching college in their mid 60's tho. Not trying to be an ageist, and I'm certainly not privy to what they are working on in practice, but geez I hope the switch for this team gets hit soon.
Used to take that length before the portal when you had to build a team solely on hs recruiting classes. That is no longer. It should not take 3-5 years especially since Woodson uses the portal heavily.
I question Woody’s ability to build a team. He was kinda given the last two teams roster. This one is all his and it’s a terrible balance of skill sets.
That's one of the many problems with hiring a life-long NBA coach. He's never had to build a roster before.
I dont watch much nba but it seems they shoot tons of threes in the NBA now. Heck Woodson doesn't even do that his style seems like 1980's nba.
hard for you to see with your myoptic, tunnel vision, pessimistic spectacles... but you are a Hilltopper what more can you learn
I have no idea what you mean but ok. I’m more than happy to be optimistic but our play gives zero hope for it.
Does winning matter to you? If so, does winning in CB have anything to do with the Coach, or not?
