Coronavirus

[mcmurtry66]

Good news on the testing front

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-for-coronavirus-test-that-s-10-times-faster

The U.S. and much of Europe have been criticized for testing their populations too slowly, allowing the virus to proliferate. Roche’s cobas systems, launched in 2014, are widely available globally, with 695 of the 6800 instruments and 132 of the 8800 systems already installed.

There are 110 of these tools in the U.S., and Roche has installed a “significant amount” of new ones in key locations in the U.S. in recent weeks, Schinecker said. Roche declined to specify how many of those units are 8800 and how many are 6800 models.

“We definitely extended the capacity of the testing significantly throughout the U.S,” Schinecker said.

The cobas 8800 system can test patients about 10 times faster than Roche’s existing test for the coronavirus, which runs on its MagNA Pure 24 and the LightCycler 480 devices. While those instruments require more human attention, there are more of them in labs and hospitals around the world. They’ll continue to play a crucial role in testing people, especially outside the U.S., Schinecker said.

I have no idea how involved testing is, or what it entails, but when we talk about overwhelming hospitals etc. maybe it's a boon that we have all of these urgent cares as potential testing sites. I swear there's an urgent care or some derivation of an urgent care on every corner in my city. The number of these strip mall urgent cares has exploded in the last five years.

 

[sglowrider]

South Korea is testing 10,000 per day. Why are they able to do that and not us.

If you Google it, you will see we turned down WHO test kits because we thought we could do better. Then our kits did not work. So we spent a couple weeks doing nothing,,then we built kits. We are way behind the rest of the world.

If you don't think the numbers aren't under reported, we just picked up a case here in Singapore. Foreign import.

Pasted this from the log/report that the news do here everyday:

CASE 192

Case 192 is an imported case involving a 32-year-old male American national who arrived in Singapore on Mar 10 from the US. He tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday morning and is currently warded at NCID.



We first had it some 2 1/2 months from the Chinese. Now we are getting hit from the States? Wtf!
We just can't catch a break.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Great, so we are back to complaining about the failed impeachment process. Do you want to seriously discuss this or not?

I don't know who the hell Max Boot is, but perhaps he is looking at the CDC-only test data, which gets updated for several days before it becomes final (gray box data subject to changes). It does not account for private lab tests.

Boot's complaint about impeachment wasn't particular relevant, but is there at any time in your life you looked at Donald Trump and thought, "I hope if we face a crisis he is the one in charge"? That is the part I think is relevant. He delivered a speech Wednesday night that included just plain wrong information. That isn't impeachment old, that is new and relevant. How does that happen? How does one deliver a speech saying cargo is going to be stopped when it is not (one of the falsehoods)?

As to missing the private testing, good point. But let's add it in. South Korea tests 10,000 per day. We tested about 1500. How are we that far behind South Korea? Are they somehow better/smarter than we are?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I have no idea how involved testing is, or what it entails, but when we talk about overwhelming hospitals etc. maybe it's a boon that we have all of these urgent cares. I swear there's an urgent care or some derivation of an urgent care on every corner in my city. The number of these strip mall urgent cares has exploded in the last five years.

But the urgent care's can't handle this. The serious people need 24x7 ventilators. In Italy, they have run out of rooms and ventilators. New Rochelle's hospital is about to run out and will have to ship patients to other hospitals. That works, for now. But of all the nearby hospitals were a hot zone, where would people be sent?

 

[mcmurtry66]

But the urgent care's can't handle this. The serious people need 24x7 ventilators. In Italy, they have run out of rooms and ventilators. New Rochelle's hospital is about to run out and will have to ship patients to other hospitals. That works, for now. But of all the nearby hospitals were a hot zone, where would people be sent?

I understand that - I meant for testing/screening. My post may not have been clear enough in that regard. A significant portion of Americans do not have a primary doctor. They'll just show up at hospital ERS. If the urgent cares get these tests it'll presumably be a nice gatekeeper.

 

[sglowrider]

Are they somehow better/smarter than we are?

Americans voted Trump as the POTUS. A man who has been conning the public since the 80s.

You seriously need ask who is smarter?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Americans voted Trump as the POTUS. A man who has been conning the public since the 80s.

You seriously need ask who is smarter?

It has been attributed that Churchill said "You can always count on America to do the right thing, after every alternative has been eliminated". We were very slow to react to this. Honestly, if an NBA player didn't get it we would still be thinking it was our patriotic duty to go about life as usual. I spoke with people yesterday at a ticket office, they said people have come in yelling at them for cancelling events. Even if it one was silly and didn't accept the need, it is like it was the minimum wage person at the ticket office who cancelled it to begin with. So we are very slow to learn.

 

[meridian]

Americans voted Trump as the POTUS. A man who has been conning the public since the 80s.

You seriously need ask who is smarter?

President Trump says it's all Obama's fault.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Boot has been copy / pasting his articles for 4 years now. But you're right. Trump should learn from this and go ahead and start manufacturing tests for the next virus we don't know exists yet.

He has known about it since December/ January. He turned down tests from CHO. He didn’t want it to hurt his numbers, as reported by NPR.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

any time in your life you looked at Donald Trump and thought, "I hope if we face a crisis he is the one in charge"?

Definitely not. As with the other fiscally-conservative moderates on this board, I didn't vote for the man. Nor do I endorse his handling of any situation. When markets hit all time highs a few weeks back, I wasn't signing Donnie's praises. I think some of you guys dream this stuff up.

As to missing the private testing, good point. But let's add it in. South Korea tests 10,000 per day. We tested about 1500. How are we that far behind South Korea? Are they somehow better/smarter than we are?

We are a few days/weeks behind SK in terms of manifestation, but clearly it's a problem at the Federal level in regards to our testing deficiencies. I don't think I've ever argued otherwise.

 

[Sope Creek]

Got a text from MrsSope this morning, saying that at 6:30 am the line at Kroger was "out the door". I got to wondering which line that might be . . . would a check-out line really snake outside? I kinda doubt it. Then there's a Chick-fil-et location just inside one of the doors . . . a line out the door there might make sense.

Then she texted and said it was on the early morning news that Kroger was "fully stocked", so apparently the local population took that as a challenge . . . the parking lot is jammed still.

 

[meridian]

He has known about it since December/ January. He turned down tests from CHO. He didn’t want it to hurt his numbers, as reported by NPR.

NPR? That Commie publication? Oops, Commies is not a bad word anymore, thanks to the mutual admiration accord between Trump and Putin.

 

[Lucy01]

NPR? That Commie publication? Oops, Commies is not a bad word anymore, thanks to the mutual admiration accord between Trump and Putin.

Why do you post dumb shit?

 

[meridian]

Why do you post dumb shit?

Thank you for the compliment!

 

[IUclover]

Americans voted Trump as the POTUS. A man who has been conning the public since the 80s.

You seriously need ask who is smarter?

Based on this comment from Trump yesterday, he reminds us that he's the smartest...

"We have very strong emergency powers under the Stafford Act," Trump said Thursday in the Oval Office. "I have it memorized, practically, as to the powers in that act. And if I need to do something, I'll do it."

 

[Thyrsis]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-death-life.html

 

[mainway_toys]

My kids' school is closed for at least three weeks, starting next Monday. The fourteen year-can watch the seven year-old, so that's good.

On the other hand, he'll be so locked into his computer that he wouldn't notice if she burned the house down around him. After a few days of TV, she'll get bored and look for new things to do, which makes somehow lighting the house on fire a very real possibility.

 

[UncleMark]

My kids' school is closed for at least three weeks, starting next Monday. The fourteen year-can watch the seven year-old, so that's good.

On the other hand, he'll be so locked into his computer that he wouldn't notice if she burned the house down around him. After a few days of TV, she'll get bored and look for new things to do, which makes somehow lighting the house on fire a very real possibility.

That's one good thing about the trailer park. The kids run free on their own. Riding bicycles, playing ball in the streets, hanging out at other kids homes, very 50s suburban idealistic like. There's a "cool mom" across the street with three kids of her own that I've watched grow up, and her little yard is always filled with others from the neighborhood.

Maybe you should just dump your kids off here and let them fend for themselves? They'd probably do just fine.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

*Hugs*
It's going to be ok.

I guess your Jesus doesn’t get it either. He’s actually doing something finally! Albeit his solutions were handed to him by real businessmen.

I guess he is a pussy too.

 

[mainway_toys]

Our neighborhood is actually like that, except with upper-middle class houses instead of trailers. Weather permitting, my daughter will be out playing with neighbor kids. My son, on the other hand, is an "indoor kid", who video chats with his buddies from school in Google Hangouts.

 

[T.M.P.]

It has been attributed that Churchill said "You can always count on America to do the right thing, after every alternative has been eliminated". We were very slow to react to this. Honestly, if an NBA player didn't get it we would still be thinking it was our patriotic duty to go about life as usual. I spoke with people yesterday at a ticket office, they said people have come in yelling at them for cancelling events. Even if it one was silly and didn't accept the need, it is like it was the minimum wage person at the ticket office who cancelled it to begin with. So we are very slow to learn.

Basketball may have saved the free world.

 

[UncleMark]

Our neighborhood is actually like that, except with upper-middle class houses instead of trailers. Weather permitting, my daughter will be out playing with neighbor kids. My son, on the other hand, is an "indoor kid", who video chats with his buddies from school in Google Hangouts.

He's 14. He's cruising pr0n.

 

[hoosboot]

Our neighborhood is actually like that, except with upper-middle class houses instead of trailers. Weather permitting, my daughter will be out playing with neighbor kids. My son, on the other hand, is an "indoor kid", who video chats with his buddies from school in Google Hangouts.

The thing that I'm struggling with is...if it's not okay for them to be in school together, why is it okay for them to be in the neighbor's yard playing together?

 

[mainway_toys]

He's 14. He's cruising pr0n.

No doubt some of the time. I'd rather he did that than shoplift Penthouses like I did at that age.

 

[UncleMark]

The thing that I'm struggling with is...if it's not okay for them to be in school together, why is it okay for them to be in the neighbor's yard playing together?

Keeps them away from the trailer park kids.

 

[mainway_toys]

The thing that I'm struggling with is...if it's not okay for them to be in school together, why is it okay for them to be in the neighbor's yard playing together?

It's one thing to spread the virus to (or potentially get it from) a friend or two in the neighborhood. Four hundred kids in a school trading germs is hugely more dangerous.

Containment. That's the whole point in shutting down large gatherings.

 

[meridian]

Why do you post dumb shit?

To educate dumb people like you!

 

[BigAppleHoosier]

Next Steps:
1. The task force needs to provide the public with a timeline for the privatized testing process that was the highlight of the news conference this afternoon. I believe I heard Pence say that the website will be ready Sunday night. What does that mean?
2. We need daily updates from the task force telling us how many tests have been distributed, how many tests were executed and how many came back positive. This is PM 101, they need to be out there everyday starting their pressers with that data.
3. The models have been running on this for months now. We have enough real data now from here in the US to rationalize those runs. It needs to be shared, so that the country can start to psychologically prepare itself. We don’t keep forecast models for weather related events secret.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Keeps them away from the trailer park kids.

 

[sglowrider]

Next Steps:
1. The task force needs to provide the public with a timeline for the privatized testing process that was the highlight of the news conference this afternoon. I believe I heard Pence say that the website will be ready Sunday night. What does that mean?
2. We need daily updates from the task force telling us how many tests have been distributed, how many tests were executed and how many came back positive. This is PM 101, they need to be out there everyday starting their pressers with that data.
3. The models have been running on this for months now. We have enough real data now from here in the US to rationalize those runs. It needs to be shared, so that the country can start to psychologically prepare itself. We don’t keep forecast models for weather related events secret.

So the Trump administration bypassed containment and went straight into mitigation mode. More money to be made for lots of people. I should get into the act.

Most successful countries around focused on containment. Cheaper and lower impact bother on society and financially.

This will be the War on Covid then. And crazy American solution type financial budgets -- so we wonder why there is a constantly huge budget deficit.

Always choose the more difficult, expensive quadrant.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Likely More Than 60,000 Hoosiers Have COVID-19, Says State Health Director

Edit: If that estimate is near accurate, it's worse than I thought a worse-case scenario would be on this date.

 

[sglowrider]

Likely More Than 60,000 Hoosiers Have COVID-19, Says State Health Director

Edit: If that estimate is near accurate, it's worse than I thought a worse-case scenario would be on this date.

Put it this way, if you are starting to export Covid spread outside the country ie. to me over here, the numbers must be big when you consider that air travel has dropped off like a rock and yet....

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Likely More Than 60,000 Hoosiers Have COVID-19, Says State Health Director

Edit: If that estimate is near accurate, it's worse than I thought a worse-case scenario would be on this date.

In my part of the state (PA) there are no positive cases. My guess is that this is short by 6,000.

 

[sglowrider]

In my part of the state (PA) there are no positive cases. My guess is that this is short by 6,000.

You know VPN then?

 

[Cream&Crimson]

In my part of the state (PA) there are no positive cases. My guess is that this is short by 6,000.

We're hardly doing any testing - who knows how many cases you actually have in your area? No one. But we'll soon find out.

 

[sglowrider]

Since you guys aren't doing much testing, some self assessments before you test:

 

[outside shooter]

This is not a cheery read. Panel of experts at UCSF

https://web.archive.org/web/2020031...-expert-panel-march-10-dr-jordan-shlain-m-d-/

 

[mcmurtry66]

This is not a cheery read. Panel of experts at UCSF

https://web.archive.org/web/2020031...-expert-panel-march-10-dr-jordan-shlain-m-d-/

Yikes. So hope against hope. Best case is that it’s seasonal and subsides in summer while expedited trials result in vaccines and treatment meds.

 

[sglowrider]

This is not a cheery read. Panel of experts at UCSF

https://web.archive.org/web/2020031...-expert-panel-march-10-dr-jordan-shlain-m-d-/

Apparently 2-3 months notice wasnt enough.

 

[sglowrider]

Yikes. So hope against hope. Best case is that it’s seasonal and subsides in summer while expedited trials result in vaccines and treatment meds.

Like I told Twenty a couple of days ago. Its 31C degrees and going to be 34C later today. 'Em bugs aren't dying. Its feckin' hot in other words. The number of cases has not fallen at all.

Let's not be deluded and hope for the hail mary shots.