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Chairman of Joint Chiefs thought Trump might attempt a legit coup

Or more likely, Milley knows a hell of a lot more than you do about what was going on.

In fact, according to the excerpts from the book, Milley’s colleagues were sounding the alarm to Milley that this Trump Coup was actually being planned by replacing high level Pentagon, DNS, and other security agencies with Trump loyalists when there were only two months left in his presidency.

Luckily, like everything else Trump does, the “coup” planning was incompetent as well.
You need to think this through, if you can overcome your TDS.

The Chief Justice of the United Stares swears in Biden as POTUS.

Your (Trump’s) move. Who ya gonna call?
 
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Not sure what your point is, but my point remains as I said several times. Civil authority is the bulwark against a Trump overreach in power, and Milley’s concern that Trump would stay in the WH or use force to stay in office after January 20 was lunacy. Giving Milley the benefit of the doubt, maybe he is simply ignorant of how the civil system works.
Your point seems to be moving quite a bit. It's one thing to say that Milley was delusional to think it possible that Trump might try to use force to stay in office. It's another thing entirely to accuse Milley of being ready to roll tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue in order to prevent it.
 
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Your point seems to be moving quite a bit. It's one thing to say that Milley was delusional to think it possible that Trump might try to use force to stay in office. It's another thing entirely to accuse Milley of being ready to roll tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue in order to prevent it.
Huh. Milley believed the former with sufficient confidence to plan for it and suggested he would do the latter. The former is looney tunes and the latter is beyond his authority.
 
Huh. Milley believed the former with sufficient confidence to plan for it and suggested he would do the latter. The former is looney tunes and the latter is beyond his authority.
As Aloha and I have both tried to point out to you, he absolutely did not suggest he would do the latter. That is you misinterpreting his words to paint your own biases upon him.
 
I was glad to see your contributions to this thread, Aloha. I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to see the vitriolic reaction from some here, especially since much of the attacks on Milley were either irrelevant to the topic at hand or based on assumptions not actually known to us (such as that Milley contributed this info to the book himself). Even after five pages of debate, I have a hard time reading this vitriol as anything other than reflexive opposition to anyone who is known to be less than a fan of the former President.

I think your take is almost certainly the correct one. Milley was simply considering a situation which he had to consider, because of the context of the times. It's great that the situation he considered never happened, but the fact that he considered it shows he was doing his job, not ignoring it. I think you summed it up nicely above:

He was apparently worried about a situation of the President invoking the insurrection act and declaring martial law theoretically allowing the President to use the military to stay in power. It’s a scenario that deserved considering.​

And I think the worst part of all that is the fact that it did deserve considering, and that's not the case because of anything wrong with Milley, but rather because of something wrong with President Trump.
Bingo!
 
You need to think this through, if you can overcome your TDS.

The Chief Justice of the United Stares swears in Biden as POTUS.

Your (Trump’s) move. Who ya gonna call?
What on earth are you talking about?
 
In yet another book excerpt about the absurdity of the end of the Trump presidency, Mark Milley was genuinely concerned that Trump might try to hold onto power unconstitutionally:

"They may try, but they're not going to f**king succeed," Milley told his deputies...he told subordinates: "You can't do this without the military. You can't do this without the CIA and the FBI. We're the guys with the guns."​

Thank God his worries were unfounded, but it's pretty darn crazy that these conversations even needed to happen.
Don’t laugh at right wing theories anymore.
 
What on earth are you talking about?
I’m asking you to think about what you are saying using role playing. . CJ Robert’s has sworn in Biden on January 20. You are Trump and you want to stay in power in (according to Miley’s scenario). What is your move? Who are you going to call?
 
As Aloha and I have both tried to point out to you, he absolutely did not suggest he would do the latter. That is you misinterpreting his words to paint your own biases upon him.
Of course he did. He said the military was the bulwark against the coup and if necessary the military,ey would stop it.
 
Except, twenty, that is not all Milley said.

What was in the excerpt was that a coup can't be successful without the military involved.... and if Trump attempted to order the military to take any action he had prepared "rolling resignations" rather than implement any such orders from Trump. I didn't see anything quoted beyond that.

That a Chairman of the JCS even had to hold such discussions with top brass about resigning en masse should be the much larger concern.
 
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Your new WC name is BAKTRAK DANC.
When have you ever heard otherwise from me about Flynn?

He was fired for lying to Pence.

That doesn't mean he wasn't set up by the FBI - he definitely was. I can disagree with a person and still defend their right to fair play.

You might want to try it sometime.
 
More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter suggesting Hunter Biden’s lap top was Russian disinformation. When it comes to Trump and politics, the number of people holding an opinion doesn’t mean anything.
And don't forget the "17 Intelligence agencies" that said Trump was colluding with the Russians.

These people will lie to fit their narrative every time.
 
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What was in the excerpt was that a coup can't be successful without the military involved.... and if Trump attempted to order the military to take any action he had prepared "rolling resignations" rather than implement any such orders from Trump. I didn't see anything quoted beyond that.

That a Chairman of the JCS even had to hold such discussions with top brass about resigning en masse should be the much larger concern.
Because the opinion of the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is on par with the theories of Q?
Mark Milley got caught up in beltway anti-Trump hysteria and he read way too much into Trumps refusal to concede. Milley and Trump got into at least one shouting match which didn’t help either. Milley started talking about a Trump coup in August and using the military as a bulwark against it. The short strokes are that the beltway is a cesspool of mental inbreeding and Milley is a contributor. He overreacted by any objective measure.

He‘s still at it. The Pentagon denied the Amvets (a known pro-Trump organization) permission to use the Pentagon parking lots for their Memorial Day motorcycle rally this year which they have used from the beginning. I guess he was afraid they would start a coup.
 
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How do you know anything about military culture at any level from junior enlisted to senior officer?
You're not the only one who has served in the military.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've seen too many in it to make rank instead of doing a good job.
 
Sorry, I’ve had it. You’re ostensibly on my side because we’re Republicans, or at least I’m a Republican. However, this trashing of a General officer because he has misgivings about President Trump, like many of us do, is unwarranted.

It’s entirely possible that Milley isn’t as good as his record indicates he is, and I don’t know him, but none of this is evidence that he isn’t.
You have your opinion and I have mine. We're not Democrats who are required to march in lockstep.

He is presiding over a cluster**** of a withdrawal from Afghanistan. He should be concentrating on that instead of crowing about how afraid he was of a coup when he didn't do a damn thing about it. He walked across Jefferson Square in his fatigues, for God's sake, with Trump. Talk about grandstanding. Does anyone think he's ready for personal combat?

As I mentioned previously, if the military is worried about a coup, there are some things they can do to prepare for it. Canceling leaves, positioning of troops and material, hardening of assets - things he can do within his authority without countermanding any Presidential order. Did he do any of that?

This isn't 1812, where capturing the Capitol means you've overthrown the government. It didn't even happen in 1812. The idea that the protesters on 1/6 were going to overthrow the government is ludicrous.
 
You have your opinion and I have mine. We're not Democrats who are required to march in lockstep.

He is presiding over a cluster**** of a withdrawal from Afghanistan. He should be concentrating on that instead of crowing about how afraid he was of a coup when he didn't do a damn thing about it. He walked across Jefferson Square in his fatigues, for God's sake, with Trump. Talk about grandstanding. Does anyone think he's ready for personal combat?

As I mentioned previously, if the military is worried about a coup, there are some things they can do to prepare for it. Canceling leaves, positioning of troops and material, hardening of assets - things he can do within his authority without countermanding any Presidential order. Did he do any of that?

This isn't 1812, where capturing the Capitol means you've overthrown the government. It didn't even happen in 1812. The idea that the protesters on 1/6 were going to overthrow the government is ludicrous.
ha in one of the recent sentencings the judge showed leniency bc the defendant literally thought he was at the white house. the judge wrote that that he was too stupid to plan an insurrection.. the judge ordered the Q shaman to undergo a mental test to determine if he's even fit for a trial
 
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Military officers don’t support Presidents. They serve for Presidents and support and defend the constitution. They don’t need to like the politics of the President or even like the President as a person. Lord knows I didn’t personally support or like every President during my career. ;)
Somewhere in all this we must remind ourselves about the Chain of Command.

What starts at the top doesn't always end up at the bottom or anywhere along the way.
 
Discussing what they’d do given illegal orders isn’t conspiring, it’s SOP. You’d be happy to know that if a President ordered the military to round up left wing Democrats and put them in concentration camps it wouldn’t happen.
No, it could only happen is a President ordered right-wing Republicans be put in a concentration camp.

It's already happened in our history - putting citizens in concentration camps. Done by a Democrat icon. If you don't think it can happen again, you're not paying attention to history.

Did you sit around a lot in the military and discuss what you'd do if given illegal orders? Did it happen often enought that you had to worry about it?
 
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LOL at the down is up, up is down Co.Hoosier interpretation.

Milley may be an idiot, may be a fat ass, may be out of touch, may be over the Hill, may be a paper pusher at this point, but it is crystal clear that his intent was to PREVENT Trump from gaining any military support to roll tanks down Pennsylvania Ave., rather than planning to roll tanks down Pennsylvania Ave to stop Trump.

A key part of the plan was for administration personnel to resign en masse, to indicate to all that the military leaders would not support any coup attempt in any way. there was no component of the plan, that I know of, that involved amassing military might to fight the deranged Trumper Proud Boys and other militia madmen.
 
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Lol.... that is what is supposed to support your statement that the US navy would be "blown out of the water" by the Chinese?

These is ZERO in that report about operational capabilities of the Navy, basically just a lot of anonymous complaints about excessive admin functions.
Do you know what happens to a military if they focus excessively on admin functions?

They get their ass kicked.
 
Do you know what happens to a military if they focus excessively on admin functions?

They get their ass kicked.


Thanks for your expertise. Your comments are right up there with a RAND report.
 
Milley is an idiot of Pelosi/Schiff proportions. I don't sleep any better knowing that Milley is beating back Trump. Meanwhile our military is not ready

And don't forget the "17 Intelligence agencies" that said Trump was colluding with the Russians.

These people will lie to fit their narrative every time.

And remember the 1200 "health professions" who approved of Leftists protests at the height of covid as being "vital to the public health".
 
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It's already happened in our history. If you don't think it can happen again, you're not paying attention to history.
If you are talking about Japanese Internment, I don’t think it can happen again, at least in that way. But we need to keep the system of checks and balances, including external accountability to all of us strong and vibrant. The latter is fraying around the edges as politics, business, entertainment, education, and media, are merging into a single ideological juggernaut.
 
Tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue was never going to happen.

Thanks for the comment related to the Navy ship collisions. Both of those were the US Navy’s fault and there is no excuse for the lapses that caused them. Neither ship was led or managed like my ships. Fortunately, the Navy has instituted some changes that should fix this. One of them is providing opportunities for ship handling experience like I had back in the day. There is no substitute.
I'll bet you never thought having a fence up around the Capitol would ever happen.
 
If you are talking about Japanese Internment, I don’t think it can happen again, at least in that way. But we need to keep the system of checks and balances, including external accountability to all of us strong and vibrant. The latter is fraying around the edges as politics, business, entertainment, education, and media, are merging into a single ideological juggernaut.
You don't think the government would ever round up people and put them in a camp?

How about anti-vaxers? How about confining anyone who didn't have a vaccine?

Don't think it can't happen. The media would be more than glad to justify it.

Not to bring up another "Naxi" point, but most of the world didn't think Germany - considered one of the most civilized countries on earth - would ever round up certain citizens for mass murder.
 
Lol.... that is what is supposed to support your statement that the US navy would be "blown out of the water" by the Chinese?

These is ZERO in that report about operational capabilities of the Navy, basically just a lot of anonymous complaints about excessive admin functions.
You need hazmat protection when reading Danny's posts, because the bullshit is flying everywhere.

In his fu*cked up head, "With China building and operating a competitive fleet, the lack of proper attention on warfighting was of deep concern to many of the interviewees" equals "The US Navy would be blown out of the water by the Chinese."

And this is emblematic of all his posts. They're replete with distortion, deflection, distraction, bullshit and lies. Guy has serious issues.
 
You need hazmat protection when reading Danny's posts, because the bullshit is flying everywhere.

In his fu*cked up head, "With China building and operating a competitive fleet, the lack of proper attention on warfighting was of deep concern to many of the interviewees" equals "The US Navy would be blown out of the water by the Chinese."

And this is emblematic of all his posts. They're replete with distortion, deflection, distraction, bullshit and lies. Guy has serious issues.
Says the guy who posts under mulitple IDs.
 
Why don't you explain why I'm "100% wrong" instead of acting like a Democrat and replying with a personal insult.

I'm sorry you drank the kool-ade.
Aloha isn't the first Republican to call you out in recent days, friend. Maybe you need to hit a reset button or something. Or simply shut up for a while.

And I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Aloha's not the guy who has drunk the kool-ade.
 
Aloha isn't the first Republican to call you out in recent days, friend. Maybe you need to hit a reset button or something. Or simply shut up for a while.

And I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Aloha's not the guy who has drunk the kool-ade.
#1, I'm not your friend.

#2. Aloha is a never-Trumper and I don't think he'd dispute that

#3. I don't post here for 'Republicans'. I think for myself, which you should try sometime.

#4. Why can't you just stick to your Goat alter-ego?
 
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