See, Ohio Guy? Like I said, he paid attention and knew basket weaving was not in the prior post ...so, he injected it.
Chairman of Joint Chiefs thought Trump might attempt a legit coup
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What would happen to someone in the military if they were planning to defy a sitting US president? According to Milley, he wasn't keeping this to himself. He was coordinating with other members of the brass to essentially conspiring against the president. What would happen if someone relayed that to the administration?
No, but when you have guys Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy carrying Trump's water, where would their line in the sand be?
sound familiar?
I (state full name), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of (state rank), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.
roughly simiar oath for each other branch of the military
It is not just their role, it is their highest oath.
Earl Landgrebe had more lasting influence on Republicans than Trump. You just proved it.
"Don't confuse me with the facts" - 46 years later
Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind. Those words, stated by Indiana 2nd District Congressman Earl Landgrebe, are being replayed in the current political universe. The year was 1974 and Landgrebe had doubled down on his support for President Richard Nixon in the waning hours of
matthewawerner.com
"Don't confuse me with the facts" - 46 years later
Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind. Those words, stated by Indiana 2nd District Congressman Earl Landgrebe, are being replayed in the current political universe. The year was 1974 and Landgrebe had doubled down on his support for President Richard Nixon in the waning hours of
matthewawerner.com
You left out the part where military officers have a duty to refuse orders they believe illegal.
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
The U.S. Navy Secretary says he had a "duty" to disobey a Presidential order. Can he make that claim?
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Perhaps he had a duty to do that.
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
The U.S. Navy Secretary says he had a "duty" to disobey a Presidential order. Can he make that claim?
blogs.findlaw.com
I think you got that from a website that didn't list the fine print where it talks about defending the Constitution, but only after sitting around for a bit assuming someone else will take care of it. It think it's in CoH's pocket version.
No, I got the point. It's not that difficult. You are pointing out that a proven nut recommended a coup.
A nut that no one took seriouslly.
So, while you think you made a point, you actually just made yourself look foolish.
I didn’t leave it out. It isn’t relevant. But Biden did mention nukes and F 15’s in relation to quelling an insurrection. The duty to disobey would be relevant there.You left out the part where military officers have a duty to refuse orders they believe illegal.
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
The U.S. Navy Secretary says he had a "duty" to disobey a Presidential order. Can he make that claim?
You are begging the question. Where in the constitution does the military have the role as Miley believes? Supporting and defending the constitution means supporting and defending the constitution we have. In the 1950’s Ike used the 101st Airborne to enforce a court order. That was legit. The army can’t decide on its own to apply and enforce its view of the constitution.
No, but military people can refuse Trump's orders if believed to be illegal or unconstitutional. You already are aware of this law.
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
The U.S. Navy Secretary says he had a "duty" to disobey a Presidential order. Can he make that claim?
blogs.findlaw.com
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Pure, after-the-fact, hoakum.
Trump didn't order anything close to an illegal order and he wasn't going to. Only in the fantasy world of Democrats and career, ass-kissing, generals.
Hey, everybody. As a courtesy, please type slowly tonight. DANC is having trouble again.
"Don't confuse me with the facts" - 46 years later
Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind. Those words, stated by Indiana 2nd District Congressman Earl Landgrebe, are being replayed in the current political universe. The year was 1974 and Landgrebe had doubled down on his support for President Richard Nixon in the waning hours of
matthewawerner.com
Do you think if you keep posting something irrelevant enough times, it will make it relevant?Hey, everybody. As a courtesy, please type slowly tonight. DANC is having trouble again.
"Don't confuse me with the facts" - 46 years later
Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind. Those words, stated by Indiana 2nd District Congressman Earl Landgrebe, are being replayed in the current political universe. The year was 1974 and Landgrebe had doubled down on his support for President Richard Nixon in the waning hours ofmatthewawerner.com
(it doesn't)
Damn! You didn't give me time to start the countdown clock for your inevitable useless response. Nonetheless, you're right on schedule, though. Good job!
Yes, how unfortunate they chose to write about something that further cements Trump's status as the worst president in US history.
Okay, I'll spell it out. You said, Democrats were not living in reality thinking the military would get involved in the election certification process.
THE POINT was that Trump's former national security advisor was suggesting that exact thing. He's certainly a nut, but he's also certainly not a Democrat.
Military officers don’t support Presidents. They serve for Presidents and support and defend the constitution. They don’t need to like the politics of the President or even like the President as a person. Lord knows I didn’t personally support or like every President during my career.
Fact is there is nothing General Milley or any other military commander could or should have done about the 6 JAN protesters. The military is prohibited from domestic law enforcement except if martial law is legally declared. He was apparently worried about a situation of the President invoking the insurrection act and declaring martial law theoretically allowing the President to use the military to stay in power. It’s a scenario that deserved considering.
The President wasn’t going to try to illegally order the military to suppress the 6 JAN protesters. He liked those people.
in third world countries, power is often held by a death grip by the existing ruler, because they fear prison or worse if they lose power.
i'm not sure Trump ever wanted to be prez that much in the first place, or that he ever liked it that much once there.
to hold on that tight makes me wonder how much he fears the worst from the various investigations.
while we don't know exactly all that he's done that's illegal, he does.
just sayin.
I don't want to see pics of your sister.Are you sure you even know who Milley is?
Many of us read your posts and aren't so sure.
Again though, to both of your posts, by "support" I mean serve at the leisure of someone he was reportedly accusing of working out of the Nazi playbook. If you thought you were working for the Nazis, would you have kept your commission? "I'm going to resign if this keeps up the way it is...." Sure you were General Milley, sure you were.
To this post, the fact the military is prohibited from moving against citizens did not seem to be of a concern to him when he was saying that they had the guns. They have the guns he is telling everyone, the President is an American dictator in the waiting, and we were supposedly having our Reichstag moment when the backers of the supposed dictator wannabe are literally standing on the floor of Congress having forced their way in and he did jack shit. He did not resign. He did not move to stop the "coup" (even calling it that is laughable). He talked to some buddies about what he would do if....And this is not an argument that he should have done something, he should not have. It is an argument that all of his talk was bluster and hyperbole. If you think you are working for American Hitler you don't stick around.
I get it, a bunch of people don't like Trump and he gave people a whole bunch of reasons not to like him, but this really seems like some self serving reputation spit shining by a guy who was afraid his political future was tied to this President.
The last administration had an entire break down in the norms of how things should be. The FBI blew those norms. State blew those norms. The military SHOULD serve. Then again, how many high level military members (a group which Milley may or may not have belonged to) were involved in the BS briefings the former President received on Syria?
Trump bad. I can see how one would feel that way. But you want to know what else is bad? The reaction to him. Particularly in the government. It has taken a wrecking ball to about half the country's faith in institutions that used to be apolitical. General Milley running his mouth the way he did does nothing to help that, particularly when I don't think he truly believed what he was saying and his actions reflect that fact.
The rhetoric he used does not match the norms you mention and the actions he failed to take do not match the dire language he was using.
Of course I’m aware of that law. I just think that the Chairman of the Joints Chiefs has more important things to do than sit around and think about what illegal orders he might disobey if such orders were ever issued.No, but military people can refuse Trump's orders if believed to be illegal or unconstitutional. You already are aware of this law.
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
The U.S. Navy Secretary says he had a "duty" to disobey a Presidential order. Can he make that claim?
Just to be clear. I think Milley’s worry that Trump would stage some kind of illegal action to hold power after January 20 is total bullshit. That puts him in Pelosi territory. I expect much much better from the military. I don’t think Milley can hold the jock of the military and ex military I know . I don’t know when he plans to retire, but maybe he was angling for a big book deal with that remark.
Yes, clearly you have a coup fixation and also an obsession with Donald J. Trump. You need help.
While you may think it's unimportant, those of us who value democracy think there is nothing more important for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to do than think about what actions he would take if a crazed defeated President decided to declare martial law and declare himself President for life.
That might be a valid point if Milley was the only one with those concerns. He wasn't. I pointed out earlier in this thread that 10 former SecDefs also felt compelled to weigh in on the point. Your boy was/is crazy.
More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter suggesting Hunter Biden’s lap top was Russian disinformation. When it comes to Trump and politics, the number of people holding an opinion doesn’t mean anything.
But only a fool would argue that the opinions of Trump's generals don't matter:
General H.R. McMaster, Trump's National Security Advisor: "The reasons for the criminal assault on our Congress and election process are many. But foremost among them is the sad reality that President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain. Those who engaged in disinformation and demagoguery in pursuit of self-interest abdicated their responsibility to the American people. It was, in every sense of the phrase, a dereliction of duty."
General John Kelly, Trump's Chief of Staff: "The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life."
General James Mattis, Trump's Defense Secretary: "Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."
But keep defending this disgraceful "leader" because, well, he is a Republican after all. Party before country!
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