Chairman of Joint Chiefs thought Trump might attempt a legit coup
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How do you know anything about military culture at any level from junior enlisted to senior officer?
It's shocking. These idiots would rather back a game show host, twice impeached, one term president than every segment of the US Government security apparatus.
Yeah...Proud Boys and "Oath Keepers" over the US military. Bonkers.
They're dead enders.
He's also a Green Beret and has 39 years of military service under his belt. You can't argue with people who have no interest in facts.
These are the people who won't go to CVS and get a COVID vaccination because they want to "Own the libtards"...while 99.3% of US COVID deaths are people who are unvaccinated.
To say they're fools would be giving them too much credit because they do it on purpose.
If you care about democracy, you otta hope that the military would sit it out until a civilian authority issued orders.
This isn’t about Trump. It’s about what the military thinks it can do on its own authority. In my book the military can’t do squat until a civil authority orders it. Milley is way out in left field on this one.
You are a moron. None of that sticks and the military is not part of the solution.
Milley also was the CO of Fort Hood when Hassan committed mass murder and Miley denied his troops purple Hearts claiming workplace violence. I have no idea how he got to where he is. But he doesn’t make me feel safe.
Sorry, I’ve had it. You’re ostensibly on my side because we’re Republicans, or at least I’m a Republican. However, this trashing of a General officer because he has misgivings about President Trump, like many of us do, is unwarranted.
It’s entirely possible that Milley isn’t as good as his record indicates he is, and I don’t know him, but none of this is evidence that he isn’t.
Seriously, are you claiming they wrote the book overnight? The authors interviewed Trump for over 2 hrs. You think that interview happened AFTER he left the Oval Office. At least link to someone with half a brain, not someone who claims the idea for a book about Trump's chaotic last year was conceived as a way to detract from (non-existent)
election "fraud"...
Trump has a real problem conflating loyalty and dedication to doing their job and upholding the Constitution to personal loyalty to HIM. That is why he invariably grew disenchanted with so many of his appointees, he expected them to act as all his Trump Business lackeys did and accept everything he did with blind loyalty. Trump really doesn't understand the concept of loyalty to the Constitution/Nation over blind loyalty to a single man...
So he ended up choosing qualified, capable people who did not in any regard place some sort of rigid loyalty to Trump above their loyalty to the Constitution. Trump expected people to blindly bend to his will similarly to the way a CEO is used to being treated, but that's not how the Presidency works. Cabinet-level officials swear an oath to the Constitution not some wannabee tinpot dictator...
Are you speaking of Milley?
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You must despise Reagan after 241 Marines were killed by one man in Beirut in 1983.
How bout 9/11? 3,000 dead Americans. No confidence in Colin Powell?
You have become such a joke around here, it's ridiculous.
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100% wrong. You’re not an asset to the GOP side.
Hm. The army had ample notice that Hassan was a nut , yet it looked the other way because Hassan was a Muslim. Milley’s poor judgment goes way back.
You’re not helpful either. There will be no coup attempt in 2024 either. The US military will not participate in a coup. It’s not gonna happen so let’s stop with the BS.
Gee, couldn’t see this coming:
apple.news
Trump Says If He Did a Coup It Wouldn’t Be With General Milley — VICE
“I saw at that moment he had no courage or skill, certainly not the type of person I would be talking ‘coup’ with,” said Trump. “I’m not into coups!”
Trump put Milley in place over Mattis’ objections. You realize that, right?
Discussing what they’d do given illegal orders isn’t conspiring, it’s SOP. You’d be happy to know that if a President ordered the military to round up left wing Democrats and put them in concentration camps it wouldn’t happen.
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Yes I know. But, this has nothing to do with other people. This about you. You need to come to grips with it. He is no longer President. You need to find a way to move on. Your focus on him is preventing you from seeing what is happening to the United States. IF BLM, The Squad, Bernie, other Dems get their way you will be living in a communist country. Hell, I don't know maybe that is want you want. If it is, just keep on worrying about Trump.I'm obsessed?
The cowardly GOP has been neutered by Trump.
According to goat’s link, Milley saw the military as the bulwark against Trump if he refused to leave the WH on January 20. That’s craziness on two levels, thinking that would happen and thinking that the military is the bulwark against it.
That does not give me any confidence in Milley.
That’s not how I read it. He was only contemplating what the military should do if President Trump invoked the insurrection act to allow the military to take measures to keep him in power.
Let’s face reality. Trump lost. Trump needs to be irrelevant. Republicans need to excise Trumpism and regroup into a party that definitely isn’t the current Democratic Party, but embraces traditional GOP policies modified for today’s world. Modifications don’t need to be drastic to appeal to all Americans either.
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I was glad to see your contributions to this thread, Aloha. I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to see the vitriolic reaction from some here, especially since much of the attacks on Milley were either irrelevant to the topic at hand or based on assumptions not actually known to us (such as that Milley contributed this info to the book himself). Even after five pages of debate, I have a hard time reading this vitriol as anything other than reflexive opposition to anyone who is known to be less than a fan of the former President.
I think your take is almost certainly the correct one. Milley was simply considering a situation which he had to consider, because of the context of the times. It's great that the situation he considered never happened, but the fact that he considered it shows he was doing his job, not ignoring it. I think you summed it up nicely above:
He was apparently worried about a situation of the President invoking the insurrection act and declaring martial law theoretically allowing the President to use the military to stay in power. It’s a scenario that deserved considering.
And I think the worst part of all that is the fact that it did deserve considering, and that's not the case because of anything wrong with Milley, but rather because of something wrong with President Trump.
I agree with the second paragraph. The GOP needs to move on without the burden of the Trump bluster but with the benefit of his accomplishments. Tough row to hoe.
I still think Milley stepped in it. We have ample methods to deal with a Trump overreach without tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue.
That's how I read it, too. In context, "We're the ones with the guns" doesn't translate to "We'll use our guns to stop him." It translates to "He can't do it without our guns, and we'd never do that."
Did you read your link? I didn’t make up the idea that Milley saw the military as the anti-Trump bulwark
I did read it, as did Aloha, apparently, and he and I both read it the same way. It appears you are taking Milley's comments, and interpreting them as him seeing the military as "the anti-Trump bulwark," which may in fact be a fair interpretation. I don't know what's going on in Milley's head, but it might well be an accurate way to phrase it. But then, you are doing a 180, and deconstructing "the anti-Trump bulwark" into something else entirely, very different from what Milley actually said.
Tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue was never going to happen.
Thanks for the comment related to the Navy ship collisions. Both of those were the US Navy’s fault and there is no excuse for the lapses that caused them. Neither ship was led or managed like my ships. Fortunately, the Navy has instituted some changes that should fix this. One of them is providing opportunities for ship handling experience like I had back in the day. There is no substitute.
We definitely agree on the second paragraph. That’s a good thing.
Not sure what your point is, but my point remains as I said several times. Civil authority is the bulwark against a Trump overreach in power, and Milley’s concern that Trump would stay in the WH or use force to stay in office after January 20 was lunacy. Giving Milley the benefit of the doubt, maybe he is simply ignorant of how the civil system works.
Or more likely, Milley knows a hell of a lot more than you do about what was going on.
In fact, according to the excerpts from the book, Milley’s colleagues were sounding the alarm to Milley that this Trump Coup was actually being planned by replacing high level Pentagon, DNS, and other security agencies with Trump loyalists when there were only two months left in his presidency.
Luckily, like everything else Trump does, the “coup” planning was incompetent as well.
