1. Please reconsider!
So long as we have good lawyers and an independent judiciary we are fine. The first thing a tyrannical government must do is “kill all the lawyers .”
Wasn't the Jan 6 insurrection an attempt to disrupt the process of the Civil Authority? Apparently, Trump actually believed that Pence could somehow (outside the framework of the Constitution) just refuse to certify results and declare the votes of millions of people null and void, and just allow the pro-Trump Legislatures to arbitrarily decide who the winner was.
Not to knock your profession (well, I guess I am), but lawyers don't mean squat if judges are corrupt.
jan 6 was a rally that gave rise to an impromptu march to the capitol by a collection of low iq idiots that the left is now using to characterize as a concerted effort to prevent biden from becoming president. the absurdity of it all hasn't been lost on judges - the most recent ruling i read a judge ordered leniency in sentencing bc the guy thought the capitol was the white house and was way too stupid to ever plan or execute a coup. the Q shaman is undergoing a mental eval to see if he's even competent for trial. jan 6 is just more partisan bullshit. your side is worse no your side is
Please get professional help. Those who have to deal with you on a regular basis (I pity those poor souls) will thank you.
Still waiting on support for your insane claim that the US Navy would get "blown out of the water" by the Chinese.
The only "impromptu" part of the proceedings was tens of thousands who were not involved in the planning joining groups like the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys who had discussed for days how to strategically plant weapons thruout DC. It's part of the Conspiracy charges against them...
lmao all of these militias present yet one cap police shooting. yeah these well armed militias sure had the intent to take over. they were at applebees by 4 for happy hour pricingThe only "impromptu" part of the proceedings was tens of thousands who were not involved in the planning joining groups like the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys who had discussed for days how to strategically plant weapons thruout DC. It's part of the Conspiracy charges against them...
"The government’s long-standing theory in the case is that the extremist group came prepared for violence on Jan. 6 and stashed firearms just outside of Washington, DC, which they could easily access via a “quick reaction force” or “QRF.” Until this week, though, prosecutors had shared little evidence other than text messages that referenced a special force. Wednesday’s hearing featured the government’s most comprehensive presentation to date that such a plan was at least partially put into action."
The Oath Keepers Were Ready To “Ferry” A Stash Of Firearms To The Capitol On Jan. 6, Prosecutors Say
A judge ordered Kenneth Harrelson, indicted in the Oath Keepers conspiracy, to stay in jail after finding “strong evidence” that he posed a danger to the community.www.buzzfeednews.com
There were a hardcore group of planners and there were a much larger group of people who ended up at the Capitol as almost a reflexive action. But one of the main reasons people who should have known better got swept up, is because many of them were convinced that Pence could actually stop the election certification and chose not to do so. THAT type of misinformation being disseminated is directly attributable to Trump and his minions, and numerous speakers belabored that point during the speeches...
But even before the speeches, people associated with the militias were walking among the crowd and advising them to head to the Capitol after Trump's speech. That is captured perfectly in the NYT video, and is a perfect example of how the militias ramped up the crowd to unwittingly join them in what they had already planned.
Plenty of Oathkeepers types were already at the Capitol and no doubt took note of how lax thelma security was and the absence of serious law enforcement. It's not a coincidence that every one of the 8 or so breaches of the Capitol were initially provoked by dedicated militia types who incited others to join in...
Admittedly Jordan Klepper is a comedian, but he was in DC on Jan 6. And he captured video of plenty of militia types and extremists heading to the Capitol before Trump's speech was even over.
Trump's speech lasted till about 1 pm, while you can clearly see militia types organizing and heading to the Capitol en masse before 11 am. They were people on a mission who hoped the masses would join them. With help from provocateurs and Trump urging people to "walk to the Capitol" that's exactly what happened...
Why was Jan 6 chosen?
many were but more accurately with the rest of the morons. i've written it a few times but the sentencing of some of these guys is pretty funny. as i said the one guy thought he was at the white house. the judge literally wrote this guy was too stupid to believe he was participating in an insurrection (semantics torpedo's that word). q shaman may be not be mentally competent enough to stand trial.With the rest of the tourists?
I don’t think there was an overall single purpose to January 6. No doubt some wanted to stop the certification but that was by no means all. After months of a concentrated full weight federal investigation, no charges regarding overthrow have been filed.
I've posted a link and an explantation.
Did these dumbasses have a snowball's chance of overthrowing the government? No.
some being the operative word. i look at it a little differently tho. these weren't opportunistic people breaking into neiman & marcus during a protest. these were people engaging in a political act/demonstration for what they believed was "right" for the country. that the election had been stolen and that they were doing the patriotic thing. putin (insert joke) characterized it as US citizens coming to congress with political demands. certainly a bastardized view but sort of true. to them there was a nobility in their actions. this is another reason we are seeing and will continue to see leniency in sentencing for those charged
By some, I mean all the dumbasses climbing around, on, and in the Capitol. The non-dumbasses were those that said, "Holy crap, those guys are dumbasses. I'm leaving." The ones who stayed - 100% dumbass.
right but some of those "dumbasses" were americans who thought they were doing the patriotic thing for their country. dumb as that may have been.
Irrelevant. There is aa clear demarcation between those who were criminally dumbassed, and those who knew better.
oh still against the law regardless. it's the intent i sympathize with a bit. some thought they were being patriotic. not all offenses are the same
A true patriot would have bothered to educate himself enough to know he was being a criminal. Ignorance of the law is not a defense.
again you are presupposing intellect that isnt there and is being recognized by judges
No, I'm presupposing a total lack of intellect, and it's irrelevant. Jails are full of dumbasses.
A link and an "explantation" of what, Danny? Certainly nothing supporting your ridiculous and unpatriotic assertion that China could "blow the US Navy out of the water."
it's not irrelevant at all. jails are full of dumbasses - fortunately judges weigh many factors in sentencing. to me doing something you believe to be patriotic (regardless of how inane) is different than robbing neiman marcus despite it's classification being the same.
Neiman Marcus hardly equals the United States Capitol. Does that fit into your equation anywhere?
it does - one is a patriotic political act and the other isn't - it's just common criminality
I generally like your posts, mcmurtry, even when I disagree with them, but I think you're way off base here. Congress was in session on January 6, and purported patriotism is not going to be viewed as a mitigating factor at sentencing for the people who entered the building.
Well, I guess one person’s dumbassed attempt at insurrection is another person’s patriotic, political act.
of course it will matter - to what extent who knows. judges are free to consider almost anything that justifies reducing a criminal defendant's sentence. as i said one judge has already reduced sentence for a defendant bc he thought he was at the white house. if you commit a crime of hte same classification of robbing neiman marcus versus storming the capitol in belief of political injustice i promise you many judges will factor in same as mitigation. stupidity doesn't save you from conviction but it helps in sentencing mitigation
What was he charged with? And was he inside the Capitol? I guarantee "patriotism" will not be a mitigating factor for people who were inside and are charged with obstruction of Congress.
There is no one size fits all here. Some broke windows, entered restricted areas, and or destroyEd public property. Others walked unimpeded through the doors and wondered around public areas. Do we know what the Florida defendant actually did?
sorry i was wrong. yes he was one of hte first ones who breached the door to the capitol
