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CEO of United Healthcare gunned down in midtown Manhattan

BradStevens said:
I find all the media now coming out in the wake of this murder regarding insurance denials, etc. pretty troublesome. Given the timing, I feel a whole lot of people are going to feel this murderer was justified in doing what he did. Some people are already claiming his action single-handedly changed the anesthesia policy of the company.

This is going to incentivize more of these killings. People like Taylor Lorenz, et al. are not only acting morally grotesquely, they are acting very, very irresponsibly.

Here's hoping we aren't facing a recession anytime soon.
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Maybe the FBI will switch their focus from Catholic and parents groups to these types of domestic terrorists.

Start with a list of Ivy League graduates.
 
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BadWakeboarder said:
Leftism is the most violent cause on earth
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Counter re this example:

Luigi Mangione, the suspected killer of the UnitedHealthCare CEO​

The right-wing media (starting, I believe, with the New York Post) has dubbed him an "anti-capitalist," despite no evidence of that. Before his Goodreads page went private, you could see that on his list of books he'd read were drivel by Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, and that on his list of books he was planning on reading soon was Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged--pretty standard fare for a bright young "tech" person. As one NYT opinion writer, Michelle Goldberg, observed, Mangione is no "leftist; he appears to have had pretty typical heterodox podcast guy politics." (His "manifesto" makes clear that this is specifically about the health insurance industry, not capitalism.) Goldberg made some other apt observations about what this whole incident has revealed:
A huge number of people feel — with good reason — that they’ve been personally injured by the insurance industry, and by coverage decisions that seem highly arbitrary, impenetrable and unfair. So people feel like Mangione’s avenged them....
Whenever I’ve had a health scare, or am waiting for the results of routine tests like mammograms, I tend to be as panicked about all the potential paperwork as about, you know, dying. And the thing is, these companies are purely extractive. Relative to a single-payer system, they create no value whatsoever....
I think the reaction to the assassination shows there is a political opportunity for anyone who can harness all this free-floating fury toward the health care industry and plutocracy more broadly. Right now it has nowhere productive to go.
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If only Clinton and the Democratic Party hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in 2016....
 
When did John Brown go crazy? Eric Rudolph? This preacher:



Vigilantism do cost.



It’s all in the game, though, right?




Hard to see the line when you’re standing on it.
 
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BadWakeboarder said:
Not too late for you to retract your snide comment.

www.foxnews.com

UnitedHealthcare CEO murder: Ivy League professor addresses suspect's possible radicalization in college

A university professor explained how Ivy League campuses perpetuate radicalization, painting a picture of the UnitedHealthcare murder suspect's educational environment.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Yawn. My wife is an Ivy grad with a PhD. Why hasn’t she turned to violence or taught her students what you or this prof is claiming?
 
4 Ivy degrees in my immediate family & never one second of incitement to violence.

Thinking? Sure, it's encouraged. Trumpers would find that to be tough.
 
outside shooter said:
4 Ivy degrees in my immediate family & never one second of incitement to violence.

Thinking? Sure, it's encouraged. Trumpers would find that to be tough.
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You’re also one of the dumbest posters on the board, paranoid, a serial liar, weak-minded, and delusional. One of the few people on the board I’d rather be sprayed by a drone than grab a beer with bc you’re such a freak. You and your beliefs are what have been repudiated as worthless. The Ivy League exposed itself with the three goofy presidents who would get trashed in a debate by a car salesman at any lot in America. If they’re representative of today’s ivy hard hard pass.
 
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BadWakeboarder said:
Ahhh the other 0.00000000001%. Math checks out.
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You claimed colleges are breeding violent woke warriors or something like that. How many students graduate from each year, especially at liberal institutions? How many are violent? How many do what Luigi did? That's all I was saying and I'll stand by my initial response.

If I had time, I'd look for some sources from an Ivy league grad who teaches at an Ivy league school and who also is the founder of a conservative website that matches my views.
 
Tons of studies have been done on the issues of crime rates, violent crime rates, and rate of incarceration for people not finishing HS, finishing HS, attending some college, graduating from college, and receiving graduate degrees.

In general, years of education you have completed and especially your pursuit of postsecondary education reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crime, including violent crime, and reduces substantially your risk incarceration for any type of crime.

These trends hold across different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic groups.

More college = less swampy / less crimey / less Trumpish
 
outside shooter said:
Tons of studies have been done on the issues of crime rates, violent crime rates, and rate of incarceration for people not finishing HS, finishing HS, attending some college, graduating from college, and receiving graduate degrees.

In general, years of education you have completed and especially your pursuit of postsecondary education reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crime, including violent crime, and reduces substantially your risk incarceration for any type of crime.

These trends hold across different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic groups.

More college = less swampy / less crimey / less Trumpish
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No one commits more crime than the minorities pandered to by Dems. Excused by Dems. Never held accountable by Dems. Bailed out. Blame shifted. On cops. Wake up. Your party was dog shit. Normal people realize woke politics are stupid - save you. You’re the last believer
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
No one commits more crime than the minorities pandered to by Dems. Excused by Dems. Never held accountable by Dems. Bailed out. Blame shifted. On cops. Wake up. Your party was dog shit. Normal people realize woke politics are stupid - save you. You’re the last believer
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How does that relate to the shooting of the United Healthcare CEO?
 
outside shooter said:
Tons of studies have been done on the issues of crime rates, violent crime rates, and rate of incarceration for people not finishing HS, finishing HS, attending some college, graduating from college, and receiving graduate degrees.

In general, years of education you have completed and especially your pursuit of postsecondary education reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crime, including violent crime, and reduces substantially your risk incarceration for any type of crime.

These trends hold across different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic groups.

More college = less swampy / less crimey / less Trumpish
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Your description is sloppy and deceiving.

First, there is no "trend"--a direction in which things are changing or developing--at least not based on what you've written.

Second, writing that "education . . . reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crimes" mistakes causation for correlation and writing it like that obfuscates the very real possibility that it is a selection issue--that is, that people prone to crime for whatever reason don't advance in the education system as much as those who are not so prone.

Third, none of those studies would have any bearing on something being "less swampy." Given that that term means corruption and bureaucracy in the federal system, your statement is clearly and wildly false. K Street, fed govt., Congress, etc. are all manned by people with a lot of "college."
 
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BradStevens said:
Your description is sloppy and deceiving.

First, there is no "trend"--a direction in which things are changing or developing--at least not based on what you've written.

Second, writing that "education . . . reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crimes" mistakes causation for correlation and writing it like that obfuscates the very real possibility that it is a selection issue--that is, that people prone to crime for whatever reason don't advance in the education system as much as those who are not so prone.

Third, none of those studies would have any bearing on something being "less swampy." Given that that term means corruption and bureaucracy in the federal system, your statement is clearly and wildly false. K Street, fed govt., Congress, etc. are all manned by people with a lot of "college."
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NOBODY gets it wrong more than Shooter. 😂😂
 
BradStevens said:
Your description is sloppy and deceiving.

First, there is no "trend"--a direction in which things are changing or developing--at least not based on what you've written.

Second, writing that "education . . . reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crimes" mistakes causation for correlation and writing it like that obfuscates the very real possibility that it is a selection issue--that is, that people prone to crime for whatever reason don't advance in the education system as much as those who are not so prone.

Third, none of those studies would have any bearing on something being "less swampy." Given that that term means corruption and bureaucracy in the federal system, your statement is clearly and wildly false. K Street, fed govt., Congress, etc. are all manned by people with a lot of "college."
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Now do Ivy League schools turning out violent characters like Luigi.
 
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UncleMark said:
No, it really doesn't.
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It does.

First, there is no "trend"--a direction in which things are changing or developing--at least not based on what you've written. [So there has probably always been a correlation between non-violent people and levels of education.]

Second, writing that "education . . . reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crimes" mistakes causation for correlation and writing it like that obfuscates the very real possibility that it is a selection issue--that is, that people prone to crime for whatever reason don't advance in the education system as much as those who are not so prone. [So Ivy educated people are, in fact, less likely to be violent criminals, but not because their Ivy League education made them that way --it's because non-violent people flock to Ivy Leagues and Ivy Leagues select for characteristics that are contra violent behavior.]

Both of those points are inconsistent with the notion that a college education could be used to radicalize people in this direction or that that is some kind of new phenomena.

But if you need me to say it more explicitly, I will: I don't think wealthy people attending Ivy League schools are being turned into violent actors by their professors. In fact, this guy was an engineer, right? Engineering profs are going to be, on avg, some of the least radical profs on campus.
 
outside shooter said:
Tons of studies have been done on the issues of crime rates, violent crime rates, and rate of incarceration for people not finishing HS, finishing HS, attending some college, graduating from college, and receiving graduate degrees.

In general, years of education you have completed and especially your pursuit of postsecondary education reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crime, including violent crime, and reduces substantially your risk incarceration for any type of crime.

These trends hold across different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic groups.

More college = less swampy / less crimey / less Trumpish
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Not really...just better lawyers
 
BradStevens said:
It does.

First, there is no "trend"--a direction in which things are changing or developing--at least not based on what you've written. [So there has probably always been a correlation between non-violent people and levels of education.]

Second, writing that "education . . . reduces substantially your tendency to commit all types of crimes" mistakes causation for correlation and writing it like that obfuscates the very real possibility that it is a selection issue--that is, that people prone to crime for whatever reason don't advance in the education system as much as those who are not so prone. [So Ivy educated people are, in fact, less likely to be violent criminals, but not because their Ivy League education made them that way --it's because non-violent people flock to Ivy Leagues and Ivy Leagues select for characteristics that are contra violent behavior.]

Both of those points are inconsistent with the notion that a college education could be used to radicalize people in this direction or that that is some kind of new phenomena.

But if you need me to say it more explicitly, I will: I don't think wealthy people attending Ivy League schools are being turned into violent actors by their professors. In fact, this guy was an engineer, right? Engineering profs are going to be, on avg, some of the least radical profs on campus.
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If you don’t think the Ivy’s are radicalizing kids at a rate higher than most schools - then we can’t be friends. A subset of radicals will turn violent - and thus Ivy’s are turning some kids violent. What they were letting the nitwits get away with during the anti-Israel protests is proof of the pudding.
 
BadWakeboarder said:
If you don’t think the Ivy’s are radicalizing kids at a rate higher than most schools - then we can’t be friends. A subset of radicals will turn violent - and thus Ivy’s are turning some kids violent. What they were letting the nitwits get away with during the anti-Israel protests is proof of the pudding.
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I think we can still be friends. :)

I agree Ivy League schools are churning out woke adherents (although they might already be that way when they arrive on campus). I haven't seen any data, though, that would back up your claim about them being more violent as a result.
 
BadWakeboarder said:
If you don’t think the Ivy’s are radicalizing kids at a rate higher than most schools - then we can’t be friends. A subset of radicals will turn violent - and thus Ivy’s are turning some kids violent. What they were letting the nitwits get away with during the anti-Israel protests is proof of the pudding.
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Ted Kaczynski is holding on Line 2. Calling from Boston.
 
BradStevens said:
I think we can still be friends. :)

I agree Ivy League schools are churning out woke adherents (although they might already be that way when they arrive on campus). I haven't seen any data, though, that would back up your claim about them being more violent as a result.
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Are they turning out more woke adherents than other universities? I'd be fascinated to see some research on that.

It's interesting that the people that went to college with Mangione who are speaking up seem to be saying that they are shocked and that the Mangione they knew doesn't resemble the angry, violent, anti-capitalist willing to murder a corporate CEO that he became. That might just be the John David Stutts trope where people can't imagine someone that they know is capable of horrible actions. But it also might be that producing violent radicals is a rare enough occurrence at Penn that people who go there haven't been exposed to it much.
 
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