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Can Izzo survive the ESPN report

MSU will hunker down, continue to get elite recruits, sell out their venues, have high level success despite everything you just said.

You really think that student section chants and a little bit of bad publicity is going to impact a giant machine like Michigan State?

It doesn’t work that way. Remember all the people who said that Penn State football would be buried like SMU? Well, guess how that worked out?

Penn State? They lost Joe P and went through ANOTHER coach, O’Brien, was bowl ineligible for 2 years, won 8, 7, 7, and 7 the 4 seasons afterwards.

NOBODY said PSU was going to be like SMU. SMU got the damn death penalty.

Stop moving the goal posts....

This situation will have more than a “minimal impact” on Izzo and MSU.

And yes, ESPN will bring down MSU by itself.
 
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Win at any cost

You got it. It's all about the W's and the $.

Now, if either of these guys have two losing seasons in a row, their loving and supportive (at all costs), fan base will run em out of town faster then you can type: they're both phonies.
 
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Penn State? They lost Joe P and went through ANOTHER coach, O’Brien, was bowl ineligible for 2 years, won 8, 7, 7, and 7 the 4 seasons afterwards.

NOBODY said PSU was going to be like SMU. SMU got the damn death penalty.

Stop moving the goal posts....

This situation will have more than a “minimal impact” on Izzo and MSU.

And yes, ESPN will bring down MSU by itself.

Penn State - Joe Pa was already on death’s doorstep. Izzo is not. He’ll come out like a rose and Dantonio will too.

The NCAA also cowardly rescinded 2 years of probation for Penn State. 4 years later they won the conference.

Eight and seven wins may be a bit down for PSU but that would be a glorious ride for IU.

You guys really don’t get how this works? Big money machines don’t get a beat down. That’s the little guys like IU who get buried. What happened to UNC?

Keep dreaming guys but NOTHING will happen. Izzy may get tired of the questions and say to hell with this but...do you honestly think it will impact MSU basketball one iota?
 
We shall see how it plays out. Rick Pitino didn't survive but he also had no idea anything was happening remember
 
Penn State? They lost Joe P and went through ANOTHER coach, O’Brien, was bowl ineligible for 2 years, won 8, 7, 7, and 7 the 4 seasons afterwards.

NOBODY said PSU was going to be like SMU. SMU got the damn death penalty.

Stop moving the goal posts....

This situation will have more than a “minimal impact” on Izzo and MSU.

And yes, ESPN will bring down MSU by itself.

Penn State - Joe Pa was already on death’s doorstep. Izzo is not. He’ll come out like a rose and Dantonio will too.

The NCAA also cowardly rescinded 2 years of probation for Penn State. 4 years later they won the conference.

Eight and seven wins may be a bit down for PSU but that would be a glorious ride for IU.

You guys really don’t get how this works? Big money machines don’t get a beat down. That’s the little guys like IU who get buried. What happened to UNC?

Keep dreaming guys but NOTHING will happen. Izzy may get tired of the questions and say to hell with this but...do you honestly think it will impact MSU basketball one iota?
Wrong
 

Wrong about what?

PSU wasn’t buried in 2-3 win seasons and then they won the conference. UNC still retains its championship.

If you honestly think that this will have a major detriment to MSU sports, you are entirely mistaken. It doesn’t work that way.

Louisville is 16-5 right now. They aren’t going anywhere.

The “haves” weather these type of things. It’s always been that way.
 
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Wrong about what?

PSU wasn’t buried in 2-3 win seasons and then they won the conference. UNC still retains its championship.

If you honestly think that this will have a major detriment to MSU sports, you are entirely mistaken. It doesn’t work that way.

Louisville is 16-5 right now. They aren’t going anywhere.

The “haves” weather these type of things. It’s always been that way.

You think UofL hasn’t been affected?

They won the national title 5 years ago. What do you think their record will be next year? lol

You are taking an extreme view here, of course these programs will be back.

You think 7 win seasons are “OK” at Penn State? lol

And you do know what MSU was like before Izzo, right? “It doesn’t work that way” lol

MSU is NOT UK basketball, Ohio State football, Duke basketball, or Alabama football, or UNC Basketball.

And I keep asking and you keep ignoring, when will ESPN stop covering the MSU stuff?
 
Wrong about what?

PSU wasn’t buried in 2-3 win seasons and then they won the conference. UNC still retains its championship.

If you honestly think that this will have a major detriment to MSU sports, you are entirely mistaken. It doesn’t work that way.

Louisville is 16-5 right now. They aren’t going anywhere.

The “haves” weather these type of things. It’s always been that way.


Body language says it all. This guy’s toast.

 
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Body language says it all. This guy’s toast.


Rarely would I agree with a pu fan so I technically won't now... He "should" be toast but he's basketballs version of Jo Pa up there.

The M$U fans and their board of trustees are already circling the wagons and blaming everyone but themselves for enabling a cover up approach for decades.

It's already reached a not "wow what have we been caught doing" moment but an "everybody's out to get us" moment.
 
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MSU is NOT UK basketball, Ohio State football, Duke basketball, or Alabama football, or UNC Basketball.

And I keep asking and you keep ignoring, when will ESPN stop covering the MSU stuff?

MSU has a.658 winning % against IU under Izzo. They may not be UK (I think IU has won 2 of last 3 vs UK) but they are head’s and shoulders above IU as a program right now. As I said before: MSU will be fine. They are built for endurance and to withstand stuff like this. IU? Not so much. It’s the type of program that has has some illegal phone calls and falls off the map for 4-5 seasons. MSU, with or without Izzo, will be just fine. ESPN can cover it all they want but it won’t dissuade any of the 5 kids who are 4-stars and lined up for next year.

All ESPN did was poke the bear. Programs like MSU who have been to 7 Final Fours under Izzo are on solid ground. Don’t kid yourself.
 
MSU has a.658 winning % against IU under Izzo. They may not be UK (I think IU has won 2 of last 3 vs UK) but they are head’s and shoulders above IU as a program right now. As I said before: MSU will be fine. They are built for endurance and to withstand stuff like this. IU? Not so much. It’s the type of program that has has some illegal phone calls and falls off the map for 4-5 seasons. MSU, with or without Izzo, will be just fine. ESPN can cover it all they want but it won’t dissuade any of the 5 kids who are 4-stars and lined up for next year.

All ESPN did was poke the bear. Programs like MSU who have been to 7 Final Fours under Izzo are on solid ground. Don’t kid yourself.

Hope you're wrong but based on how P$U turned out I'd have to agree. I think they deserve to fall off the map forever though...
 
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The ESPN report is not pretty for Izzo. Several sexual assault cover ups etc. I always thought he was better than this.

I don't know the specifics of this case...my comment is really about the "rash" of these sorts of cases, as well as the general "consequence free" status of major college athletes as it pertains to law and order. I use this case though as a bit of a baseline to articulate the process...

A woman files a complaint.
There's an investigation.
Charges are filed based on the evidence.
Court date is set.
Then a jury or judge hears the facts.
Then a ruling.

Whether it's drinking beer at 19, drunk driving, assault (sexual or otherwise)...why aren't the men and women in blue taking this away from the universities, administrators, coaches, etc?

Where is law enforcement?
 
I don't know the specifics of this case...my comment is really about the "rash" of these sorts of cases, as well as the general "consequence free" status of major college athletes as it pertains to law and order. I use this case though as a bit of a baseline to articulate the process...

A woman files a complaint.
There's an investigation.
Charges are filed based on the evidence.
Court date is set.
Then a jury or judge hears the facts.
Then a ruling.

Whether it's drinking beer at 19, drunk driving, assault (sexual or otherwise)...why aren't the men and women in blue taking this away from the universities, administrators, coaches, etc?

Where is law enforcement?
Mostly because the prosecutors and judges in these places are graduates of the accused universities, or close friends with the administrators and members of the BOT, or both. In the minds of these ultra-fans and boosters, nothing is worse than losing, because losing means loss of long-term revenue.

The Presidents and university officials who do more than pay lip-service to the concept of student-athlete are heavily outnumbered. These folks are much more likely to be found in much smaller schools where athletics play a much smaller role. Large, state-supported institutions live on dollars donated by alumni and fans who want winning teams, and dollars provided by boosters who serve in the state legislature, or who lobby the legislature. You think Mitch Daniels and his pals would not go to the ends of the earth to cover up allegations of wrong-doing at Purdue if it meant the loss of millions of athletic revenue ?

Indiana got hammered for the Sampson scandal only because of Myles Brand's personal vendetta. Had anybody else been sitting in that chair the Hoosiers would have gotten off lightly, especially if the university had been smart enough to deny, not cooperate, and not self-impose. IU made it easy for the NCAA, the others have learned to deny and resist and make sure the hammer falls on Cleveland State.
 
Mostly because the prosecutors and judges in these places are graduates of the accused universities, or close friends with the administrators and members of the BOT, or both. In the minds of these ultra-fans and boosters, nothing is worse than losing, because losing means loss of long-term revenue.

The Presidents and university officials who do more than pay lip-service to the concept of student-athlete are heavily outnumbered. These folks are much more likely to be found in much smaller schools where athletics play a much smaller role. Large, state-supported institutions live on dollars donated by alumni and fans who want winning teams, and dollars provided by boosters who serve in the state legislature, or who lobby the legislature. You think Mitch Daniels and his pals would not go to the ends of the earth to cover up allegations of wrong-doing at Purdue if it meant the loss of millions of athletic revenue ?

Indiana got hammered for the Sampson scandal only because of Myles Brand's personal vendetta. Had anybody else been sitting in that chair the Hoosiers would have gotten off lightly, especially if the university had been smart enough to deny, not cooperate, and not self-impose. IU made it easy for the NCAA, the others have learned to deny and resist and make sure the hammer falls on Cleveland State.

Well it's wrong. And law enforcement should do its job.

I've often wondered why, when the NBA/NFL, etc. has on field/court/rink fisticuffs ... charges aren't filed.

Workplace violence is unacceptable where I earn a nickel.
 
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So they were charged with rape or just accused? And you say Izzo knew as if you told him yourself. Where is the story of him knowing they raped a gal and he looked the other way?
See, people like you are exactly what has been the problem in the past. Sexually assaulted women don't want to come forward, and a lot of the do not, because the majority will be like you and not believe them and want to know the proof, or whatever else. Times are changing, and thank goodness for that.
 
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See, people like you are exactly what has been the problem in the past. Sexually assaulted women don't want to come forward, and a lot of the do not, because the majority will be like you and not believe them and want to know the proof, or whatever else. Times are changing, and thank goodness for that.

So guilt no longer has to be proven? OK good luck with that.
 
See, people like you are exactly what has been the problem in the past. Sexually assaulted women don't want to come forward, and a lot of the do not, because the majority will be like you and not believe them and want to know the proof, or whatever else. Times are changing, and thank goodness for that.

Some things that are changing are not changing for the better.
Ever hear "innocent until proven guilty"?
Why should I believe something a person says (just because it is a woman saying it) unless there is some evidence of what the person is alleging?
 
I have no faith in the system. To much $$$ on the line. I think Izzo survives. I'd like to think he's had some shine knocked off but only parents of recruits and members of MSU will truly determine if he stays or goes. (As it should be).
Respectfully,
 
Some things that are changing are not changing for the better.
Ever hear "innocent until proven guilty"?
Why should I believe something a person says (just because it is a woman saying it) unless there is some evidence of what the person is alleging?

For the love of god Payne ADMITTED to raping the girl in a POLICE REPORT.....

At least read the damn article....
 
Some things that are changing are not changing for the better.
Ever hear "innocent until proven guilty"?
Why should I believe something a person says (just because it is a woman saying it) unless there is some evidence of what the person is alleging?

"innocent until proven" guilty doesn't mean you have to think a specific crime doesn't exist.

Life, you're doing it wrong. lol
 
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Any sexual assault at MSU is going to be magnified now, and it is never good, anyways. Izzo recently gave a statement supporting their President that recently stepped down: I cringed when I heard that.

When did the Big Ten become the conference of pedophiles, rapists, and their enablers? Beyond sick of this and reading statements from the Big Ten apologizing for this crap.
I heard Baylor is trying to get in the league.
 
This confirms that the stars are in magical alignment for Purdue. The one team predicted to possibly keep PU from moving 2 ahead of us in all time BT championships (regular season) now has some major mental distractions. It's all playing into their favor this year, or so it seems at this point. Barring any major injuries, I don't see them losing too many more.
Izzo and Dantonio are going nowhere,they have both addressed the situation and expressed their ‘outrage’ so all is good.
Now if they had been making illegal phone calls we would talking about a whole different animal.
And no I am not supporting Sampson, he was scum and should not have been hired in the first place.
Look at how the MSU and UNC situations have been handled in comparison,the NCAA is a farce from top to bottom.
 
Izzo and Dantonio are going nowhere,they have both addressed the situation and expressed their ‘outrage’ so all is good.
Now if they had been making illegal phone calls we would talking about a whole different animal.
And no I am not supporting Sampson, he was scum and should not have been hired in the first place.
Look at how the MSU and UNC situations have been handled in comparison,the NCAA is a farce from top to bottom.

If you look closely as to how this is playing out its instructive to note that M$U has willing sacrificed their university president and their athletic director in hopes that it will be enough to deflect attention from their cash cow coaches. Shows what their board of trustees values most up there
 
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If you look closely as to how this is playing out its instructive to note that M$U has willing sacrificed their university president and their athletic director in hopes that it will be enough to deflect attention from their cash cow coaches. Shows what their board of trustees values most up their.

I'm being a little assy here...but the rule of law should take precedent to the trustee's concerns.
 
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If you look closely as to how this is playing out its instructive to note that M$U has willing sacrificed their university president and their athletic director in hopes that it will be enough to deflect attention from their cash cow coaches. Shows what their board of trustees values most up their.
That is exactly what’s happening.
 
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Izzo and Dantonio are going nowhere,they have both addressed the situation and expressed their ‘outrage’ so all is good.
Now if they had been making illegal phone calls we would talking about a whole different animal.
And no I am not supporting Sampson, he was scum and should not have been hired in the first place.
Look at how the MSU and UNC situations have been handled in comparison,the NCAA is a farce from top to bottom.
Good points, however I was referring to MSU's recent athletic department scandal as being good for Purdue only because it has to be a big mental distraction for both coach and players. MSU is no longer favored to win the BT now, as they were preseason. Their players don't seem to be gelling together as expected even before the rumors started flying in East Lansing.

I've always contended that IU got a raw deal from the NCAA regarding Sampson's wayward cell phone calls vs. academic fraud at other schools. It seems amazing to me that when these phone records came to light, no other coach/school was ever reprimanded for extra calls above the limit. It was an offense easily traced by phone records and I bet many athletic directors immediately did their own in-house checking. Remember, cell phones were a relatively new phenomenon back then. I can't believe he was the only guilty one. IU/Sampson detractors will justify the penalty by saying it was because he was warned once before while at Oklahoma. Well, Sampson at Oklahoma wasn't our problem to carry over to Bloomington. Ban the man for life if you want, but don't bring down our program for something we weren't aware that he was doing. Meanwhile, one could argue that IU has yet to fully recover and Sampson is doing well at 16-4 for the Cougars of Houston.
 
Good points, however I was referring to MSU's recent athletic department scandal as being good for Purdue only because it has to be a big mental distraction for both coach and players. MSU is no longer favored to win the BT now, as they were preseason. Their players don't seem to be gelling together as expected even before the rumors started flying in East Lansing.

I've always contended that IU got a raw deal from the NCAA regarding Sampson's wayward cell phone calls vs. academic fraud at other schools. It seems amazing to me that when these phone records came to light, no other coach/school was ever reprimanded for extra calls above the limit. It was an offense easily traced by phone records and I bet many athletic directors immediately did their own in-house checking. Remember, cell phones were a relatively new phenomenon back then. I can't believe he was the only guilty one. IU/Sampson detractors will justify the penalty by saying it was because he was warned once before while at Oklahoma. Well, Sampson at Oklahoma wasn't our problem to carry over to Bloomington. Ban the man for life if you want, but don't bring down our program for something we weren't aware that he was doing. Meanwhile, one could argue that IU has yet to fully recover and Sampson is doing well at 16-4 for the Cougars of Houston.
My apologies, I went on a mini rant there.
Just so many inconsistencies in the way they handle situations.
 
My apologies, I went on a mini rant there.
Just so many inconsistencies in the way they handle situations.
I don't think there are inconsistencies. If you are a marquee "cash cow" program in a Power 5 conference you get a smack on the wrist or nothing at all. Guys like Delaney and his counterparts remind the NCAA how much money they make and the perks those dollars provide for the NCAA staff. The staff then makes excuses for why said program will not face punishment and business goes on as usual.

If you are a mid-major program or less, you get your balls cut off and the NCAA tells everyone that it has to take a stand and set an example. It's shameful, but not at all inconsistent.

IU got drilled over the Sampson matter for one reason - Myles Brand's personal vendetta against the university. Otherwise, we probably would have gotten a smack on the wrist (or less). Also, we were foolish enough to self-impose and make it easy for the NCAA. I think we taught a lot of other schools a lesson. Deny, impede, alibi, withhold, and obstruct in any way possible. The suits at NCAA headquarters have no stomach for a fight with a major player.
 
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I don't think there are inconsistencies. If you are a marquee "cash cow" program in a Power 5 conference you get a smack on the wrist or nothing at all. Guys like Delaney and his counterparts remind the NCAA how much money they make and the perks those dollars provide for the NCAA staff. The staff then makes excuses for why said program will not face punishment and business goes on as usual.

If you are a mid-major program or less, you get your balls cut off and the NCAA tells everyone that it has to take a stand and set an example. It's shameful, but not at all inconsistent.

IU got drilled over the Sampson matter for one reason - Myles Brand's personal vendetta against the university. Otherwise, we probably would have gotten a smack on the wrist (or less). Also, we were foolish enough to self-impose and make it easy for the NCAA. I think we taught a lot of other schools a lesson. Deny, impede, alibi, withhold, and obstruct in any way possible. The suits at NCAA headquarters have no stomach for a fight with a major player.
When I say inconsistancies that’s what I’m talking about.
Although we all know schools are treated differently depending on the amount of money they bring in,that needs to change.
I know that sounds crazy.
 
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Izzo is gone. Too much sheet in his shinola.

He "should" be gone, but who's gonna fire him? These guys? https://trustees.msu.edu/about/index.html Not likely....

Take note that the lead dog, Ferguson, recently said something to the effect that the BoT had more important things to worry about. He's a former Billy Clinton appointee...

Perles ran a steroid enhanced football program and really wasn't sneaky about it and Lyons played for him.

The single female on there has been there awhile so she's either spent the past 10 years on sabbatical or she's complicit in the cover up...

If these guys fire the coaches then someone just might start asking questions about what "they" knew and when...

They've already given up their two sacrificial lambs in the persons of their University President and their Athletic Director.

Izzo and Dantonio now constitute "untouchables" and serve as both a buffer and a lightning rod to divert attention away from the Board of Trustees.

They don't want to cut them loose because of the $ they bring first and foremost but they also "need" them left in place to insure they keep their own jobs... It's a you go, I go scenario without the usual honor involved...
 
When I say inconsistancies that’s what I’m talking about.
Although we all know schools are treated differently depending on the amount of money they bring in,that needs to change.
I know that sounds crazy.
Yeah, I understand what you mean and I don't disagree with you at all. I've just seen this charade enough times now to be able to predict the outcome. It's a farce for sure, but it ain't going to change.
 
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