He did a masterful job of lobbying for Edey to be officiated the way he has been and he didn't do it by screaming at refs. It worked well, we have to hand him that.
BIG Officiating.
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OK....did we bitch all those years that IU "made more free throws than their opponents attempted"? No...we bragged about it and patted ourselves on the back. Now its Purdue's turn....because IU basketball doesn't exist anymore.
The objective and knowledgeble PU gtads I know (there are not many) acknowledge what you are pointing out.
IU had these results to be sure but there was never...never anything close to what we have seen with Edey. The most protected player i recall was Alford and he put himself in position to get fouled and some were touch fouls..but the biggest difference is that #12 did not commit 15 uncalled fouls a game.
that would be relevant if our FT/foul advantage were attributable to a single player. PU has had a FT advantage like that long before Edey got there. Yes, if you play smart and are aggressive in looking for your shot, you're often going to have a FT advantage, and if you make them it might even be that you'll make more than your opponent takes. IU under RMK and PU under Painter and Keady before him regularly did that. Look at their #s, if they barely only make more than their opponent takes with Edey, they had a bad day at the office (and MP is going to let the officials know about it!).
No t doesn’t. It was a foul on Edey. Just like Hepburn fouled Smith multiple times as he brought the ball up the court. Watch Domask use that left hand.tell Great player, but fouls repeatedly. Shannon barreling down the lane knocking guys on their ass and no foul called. I would remind Hoosier fans that the game changed when Coach Knight brought aggressive defense to college basketball. At West Point it was a great equalizer for smart, fundamentally sound future military officers. At IU the big addition was talented players working as hard on defense as guys like Maravich, Mount and others did on offense. CMP came into the Big Ten embracing defense, but he has evolved over the years and now has a strong offensive bias. You have to be consistent in officiating and many are not. That really affects many games. When three (or more) players converge on one player and hit him , low and anywhere they can somebody is going to get hurt very badly. The officiating g in non Big Ten games is far better and more consistent. You think that explains being 36-0 in out of conference games the last three years when 15 of Purdue’s 1osses were in Big Ten games?
You know your tournament games were out of conference the last few years too, right? Oh wait, I guess you're not counting tournament games!
Just one loss and this madness will be over.
It could also end with no more losses — that would be really bad.
It sure could. Their path could be very manageable. They avoided pretty much all the Auburn/Kentucky type teams that I thin would have bounced them, possibly easily.
Every fan looks at a game non-objectively and will scream and moan about this or that missed call while blatantly ignoring the calls that benefitted them.
The thing that drives me crazy about Big Ten reffing is the lack of consistency, especially within the same game.
There are games where I swear that the refs sit down during half time and say either A) Wow, we've been calling some pretty ticky-tack fouls so far, if we keep this up, we'll foul out the entire team. We'll get so much flack for it, we'd better start "letting them play".....or B) Wow, this game is getting out of hand, we'd better start calling some of the ticky-tack stuff so the game doesn't get out of hand...
If you want to call it tight, fine, call it tight, just do that all game long. It's tough for players to figure out how much intensity to bring if you are going to change your mind on what a foul is halfway through the game.
The thing that drives me crazy about Big Ten reffing is the lack of consistency, especially within the same game.
There are games where I swear that the refs sit down during half time and say either A) Wow, we've been calling some pretty ticky-tack fouls so far, if we keep this up, we'll foul out the entire team. We'll get so much flack for it, we'd better start "letting them play".....or B) Wow, this game is getting out of hand, we'd better start calling some of the ticky-tack stuff so the game doesn't get out of hand...
If you want to call it tight, fine, call it tight, just do that all game long. It's tough for players to figure out how much intensity to bring if you are going to change your mind on what a foul is halfway through the game.
Exactly. I hate it when fans blame refs for losses , all I ask for is consistency. so that a player knows what happens if he does X.
@Bucket Getter @kkott @Courtsensetwo Why is this funny? Last year the 2nd place team in the B10 was above 20 in Kenpom. This year the top 4 teams are 3rd, 10th, 17th and 18th and the 5th is right there in the 20's.
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Love your stuff here Bubba. Glad we matter so very much to you at this time of year.
It's funny to me, because it's just more ways to try and pump up and polish the turd that is winning the B10 regular season championship, while ignoring what people really care about: NCAA tourney success! Can anyone tell you who won the Big East regular season crown last year (hint: it wasn't UCONN)? But everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament. Likewise, not many can tell you that PU won the B10 regular season title, but everyone knows what FDU did last year. Just like your boys pimping their B10 rings last year at media day. You have a good team this year, and a great chance to begin rewriting your tournament history and if you do, you won't be talking about B10 regular season championships, and you know it!
Purdue has by far the easiest bracket, IMO. They’ve already beaten the #2 in their bracket. I fully expect them to break thru their glass ceiling this year.
I don't have to pump up anything. Their record does that just fine. Besides, I didn't make the statement about the B10 to make us look better. I did it because it's true. I was making a statement of fact. Look up the metrics for yourself.
I wouldn't have expected them to do it had they had any sort of combination of teams like Texas A&M, FAU, Kentucky, Auburn, Alabama, Arizona...How they avoided ALL of those teams like that is nuts, to me.
Stylistically, their path is about as kind as it could possibly have been. Doesn't mean they won't face good teams, and they just lost to a Wisconsin team that doesn't fit the mold of what I think their biggest matchup issue would be...
A lot of people are making the claim for a reason. Every region has good teams from a metric stand point, they work hard to balance them out accordingly. Purdue avoided basically ALL the higher level, guard dominated, up tempo teams.
If they had basically any of the other regions path...I'd give them a very, very small chance of winning 4 games in a row and making a final four. In the region they got, I think unless they choke, its probably likely. And it all comes down to types of teams, and style of play.
That argument would be more effective if you hadn't included two teams that they already beat once this year, both on neutral courts.
Sure, we can go with the "that was early in the season before those teams jelled while Purdue came in with a complete team already..." etc., but still.....
Well-stated, and precisely my view - their bracket is devoid of teams that would seem likeliest to give PU a good battle.
Is it more likely they would beat those 2 teams a second tIme, or more likely they might lose to those teams in a rematch? Just asking hypothetically.
It's Purdue in March, the only team that loses to a 17 seed and no one is surprised. Lets see if they can get past the first few games without pissing down their own legs again.
Not only do these games carry the normal weight of championship dreams but Purdue's journey also carries the weight of decades of tournament futility past and when the lights get bright and the games get tight that weight increases..
Does this team have the testicular fortitude to overcome that or will they pucker and fold like the last three have ... we'll see.
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Don't know. Outside of owning a Sliders module, I don't think anyone can really say.
Hypothetically, they could play Samford again, who they destroyed in the preseason, but this time lose.
Just pointing out that saying "this is the type of team that they would lose to" and then including two examples where they have actual (not hypothetical) winning results against those teams is not a good argument base.
You asked why it was funny, and I told you. I didn't expect you to like it. You guys make the F4 this year, and we won't hear boo about your B10 regular season championship. Don't? And, it's all we'll hear about.
See, I don't agree with this. If they actually get to the Final 4 this year, the Purdue fans will absolutely pump both. They just haven't had the chance to pump the FF yet.
I mean, George Mason and VCU have a final 4 banner. Making it once is great and all, but it doesn't make you a blue blood. If Purdue managed to pull off 3 or 4 FF's over the next 10 years, then maybe they would switch to solely bragging about post season greatness.
That's essentially what the MSU fans have become.
Again, I go back to: without looking who won the Big East last year? Who was the National Champion? Winning the B10, especially now that it's unbalanced, only matters to the reigning champ... and only then if they don't do squat in the real tournament. I was at a party in Raleigh during the first round last year. I doubt more than 3-4 people there knew that Purdue had one the B10 regular season title. But, after that day, they all knew they'd lost to FDU.
OK, bit of a misunderstanding here. I was talking about your last sentence. "You have a good team this year, and a great chance to begin rewriting your tournament history and if you do, you won't be talking about B10 regular season championships, and you know it!"
I don't disagree with the other part of your post. I just think that if Purdue does get a FF, they are not suddenly going to stop talking about their Big Ten championships.
PU basically brought back the same team this year. So they should have been more ready to play in early season games than most anyone else they played. I expect they might find that those 2 teams are much better than they were early season.
JMO… this Purdue team is more experienced, tougher, smarter, and shoots better than their last 2 yrs.
I see FF.
There have been plenty of teams that have made the F4 over the years and even the championship game since. So it's not like the conference isn't capable. Any team that makes the F4 is capable. It just hasn't happened.
Hey, I love the fact that you can't stand that I have civil conversations here about things that you have to run to the national board and lie about me. Cool stuff. You must have thought I still had you on ignore there and you could get away with it.
Yeah, yeah, I know: you're just here to talk bball or B10 bball. Spare me. You are here exclusively to turn it into a Purdue thing. I didn't even comment, just laughed at you saying the B10 is MUCH better this year. The B10 is the same as last year: 1 good team a few mediocre ones and then garbage.
