Biden Says Impending Rejection of Roe …

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

ups the ante for the midterms!

Shocking! The Dems are seeing an ass-whipping coming at the polls, and - for the first time in our lives - a draft opinion leaks.

And within 24 hours, Biden the Babbler touts it as a reason to ignore the damage done and let the left retain power.



By any means necessary.

2+2=4.

 

[mcmurtry66]

ups the ante for the midterms!

Shocking! The Dems are seeing an ass-whipping coming at the polls, and - for the first time in our lives - a draft opinion leaks.

And within 24 hours, Biden the Babbler touts it as a reason to ignore the damage done and let the left retain power.



By any means necessary.

2+2=4.

If we lose in Nov it'll once again be an own goal that did it

 

[Univee2]

If we lose in Nov it'll once again be an own goal that did it

And you don’t think there would be an equivalent reaction from a lot of values voters who see the Left’s reaction as a threat? I think it motivates a lot of conservatives who might be a little blasé about this election, looking to ensure the Left’s craziness is blunted.

Action and reaction. It’s all physics . . .

 

[Ohio Guy]

ups the ante for the midterms!

Shocking! The Dems are seeing an ass-whipping coming at the polls, and - for the first time in our lives - a draft opinion leaks.

And within 24 hours, Biden the Babbler touts it as a reason to ignore the damage done and let the left retain power.



By any means necessary.

2+2=4.

This is rich, considering this has been the far right conservatives' playbook for several decades, or when the religious zealots took over the party.

The warning from the now-prophetic Barry Goldwater:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them...

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

This is rich, considering this has been the far right conservatives' playbook for several decades, or when the religious zealots took over the party.

The warning from the now-prophetic Barry Goldwater:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them...

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

Damn RINO!

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

This is rich, considering this has been the far right conservatives' playbook for several decades, or when the religious zealots took over the party.

The warning from the now-prophetic Barry Goldwater:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them...

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

I agree that the nation would have been better off listening to Goldwater, who was the first victim of “Borking” in my life.

Go ask @RockportZebra what names he was called by the Coolers leftists when he quoted your identical Goldwater quote - but be careful if you are allergic to irony.

 

[Ohio Guy]

And you don’t think there would be an equivalent reaction from a lot of values voters who see the Left’s reaction as a threat? I think it motivates a lot of conservatives who might be a little blasé about this election, looking to ensure the Left’s craziness is blunted.

Action and reaction. It’s all physics . . .

Usually when there is a large voter turnout, it favors Democrats. If gerrymandering and obstructive practices/lawes weren't in place, it'd be a tough row to hoe for conservatives in every election.

 

[mcmurtry66]

And you don’t think there would be an equivalent reaction from a lot of values voters who see the Left’s reaction as a threat? I think it motivates a lot of conservatives who might be a little blasé about this election, looking to ensure the Left’s craziness is blunted.

Action and reaction. It’s all physics . . .

Oh hell you're probably right. Let's give AOC and her crew an opportunity to go crazy and remind people. Back and forth. Back and forth.

 

[larsIU]

And you don’t think there would be an equivalent reaction from a lot of values voters who see the Left’s reaction as a threat? I think it motivates a lot of conservatives who might be a little blasé about this election, looking to ensure the Left’s craziness is blunted.

Action and reaction. It’s all physics . . .

Hmm, the left's "reaction" so far has been to ensure a right guaranteed by the Supremes 50 years ago remains intact. I don't think there are enough values voters to overcome suburbia.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Usually when there is a large voter turnout, it favors Democrats. If gerrymandering and obstructive practices/lawes weren't in place, it'd be a tough row to hoe for conservatives in every election.

Here is what your claim about GOP gerrymandering does to me:

Here is why - for about 100 years, the Kentucky State House and Senate districts in Louisville connected a neighborhood called “Indian Hills” - where the oldest money, rich white Louisville Country Club folks live - with the west end and Portland - where they didn't. So some of the richest crackers in the state were represented in Frankfort by folks elected by some of tge poorest folks in the state (not counting Appalachian hollers).

Gerrymandering is - and always has been - a bi-partisan sport.

 

[bawlmer]

Hmm, the left's "reaction" so far has been to ensure a right guaranteed by the Supremes 50 years ago remains intact. I don't think there are enough values voters to overcome suburbia.

The battle has (or at least should have) moved to the states. There will be a retribution vote in November, I'm sure, but protecting rights (from both sides' perspectives) is going to be a state issue.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Here is what your claim about GOP gerrymandering does to me:

Here is why - for about 100 years, the Kentucky State House and Senate districts in Louisville connected a neighborhood called “Indian Hills” - where the oldest money, rich white Louisville Country Club folks live - with the west end and Portland - where they didn't. So some of the richest crackers in the state were represented in Frankfort by folks elected by some of tge poorest folks in the state (not counting Appalachian hollers).

Gerrymandering is - and always has been - a bi-partisan sport.

While it is bipartisan, many of us on the left want our side to quit. NY just struck down the map and they should have.

The Ohio Supreme Court struck down their map and the state legislature refused to change it resulting in the court being forced to accept it at least for now.

And in Florida the Governor wanted more gerrymandering and won.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Here is what your claim about GOP gerrymandering does to me:

Here is why - for about 100 years, the Kentucky State House and Senate districts in Louisville connected a neighborhood called “Indian Hills” - where the oldest money, rich white Louisville Country Club folks live - with the west end and Portland - where they didn't. So some of the richest crackers in the state were represented in Frankfort by folks elected by some of tge poorest folks in the state (not counting Appalachian hollers).

Gerrymandering is - and always has been - a bi-partisan sport.

It has, except that in some states - like Ohio - Republican gerrymandering is so far out of control they've effectively made it impossible for Democrats to have the possibility of having a majority. Legislation was passed that Ohio had to have a more representative district map and the Ohio Supreme Court has rejected 4 versions the Republican-led redistricting committee has put forth.

They probably won't have an acceptable one by their new May 6 deadline either. There's actually a very real concern it won't be ready for the next election. Ohio politics would have looked vastly different over the last several decades had more accurate district maps been adhered to. In this instance, Democrats aren't starting on level playing ground and haven't been for awhile. A state that should be purple has been deep red in terms of voting for awhile now.

 

[zeke4ahs]

ups the ante for the midterms!

Shocking! The Dems are seeing an ass-whipping coming at the polls, and - for the first time in our lives - a draft opinion leaks.

And within 24 hours, Biden the Babbler touts it as a reason to ignore the damage done and let the left retain power.



By any means necessary.

2+2=4.

Don’t pretend to moralize. We wouldn’t even be here if the corrupt Republicans hadn’t stolen a seat. By any means necessary indeed. Biden doesn’t need to say a word. It doesn’t matter if it came out now or this summer. Women will be mobilizing. Recall when Kavanaugh said he considered Roe V Wade decided law? Surely he didn’t lie.

 

[larsIU]

Recall when Kavanaugh said he considered Roe V Wade decided law? Surely he didn’t lie.

Susan Collins (rightfully so) is getting eviscerated online.

 

[T.M.P.]

Left’s craziness is blunted.

What craziness?

Please list said craziness in full detail and how it compares in lunacy ratio to Qanon, Birds Aren't Real, Deep State and Stop the Steal.

TIA

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Don’t pretend to moralize. We wouldn’t even be here if the corrupt Republicans hadn’t stolen a seat. By any means necessary indeed. Biden doesn’t need to say a word. It doesn’t matter if it came out now or this summer. Women will be mobilizing. Recall when Kavanaugh said he considered Roe V Wade decided law? Surely he didn’t lie.

I’ve asked others so I’ll ask you too.

What language in the Constitution or any statute or any decision of any court says that what McConnell did in denying an appointment to Merrick Garland was illegal?

Not interested in your feelings about how it was “wrong” or “unfair” or “immoral” or “unjust” or anything else that is subjective. So don’t moralize. Explain how and why it was illegal or violated any law.

 

[Bowlmania]

Don’t pretend to moralize. We wouldn’t even be here if the corrupt Republicans hadn’t stolen a seat. By any means necessary indeed. Biden doesn’t need to say a word. It doesn’t matter if it came out now or this summer. Women will be mobilizing. Recall when Kavanaugh said he considered Roe V Wade decided law? Surely he didn’t lie.

For sure. The Supreme Court handed the Dems a gift that will keep on giving through the November elections. This will spur massive campaign contributions, electorate engagement, and voter turnout. And a recurring theme will be "This is an activist Court. What's next?"

Just yesterday November was looking like a bloodbath for the Dems. Not anymore.

 

[Ohio Guy]

What craziness?

Please list said craziness in full detail and how it compares in lunacy ratio to Qanon, Birds Aren't Real, Deep State and Stop the Steal.

TIA

It's probably also worth mentioning that most if not all of those things intricately involved the sitting Republican POTUS at the time. And given that there are people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn and Lauren Bobbert holding elected office, none of those things are even remotely fringe elements of the party.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It has, except that in some states - like Ohio - Republican gerrymandering is so far out of control they've effectively made it impossible for Democrats to have the possibility of having a majority. Legislation was passed that Ohio had to have a more representative district map and the Ohio Supreme Court has rejected 4 versions the Republican-led redistricting committee has put forth.

They probably won't have an acceptable one by their new May 6 deadline either. There's actually a very real concern it won't be ready for the next election. Ohio politics would have looked vastly different over the last several decades had more accurate district maps been adhered to. In this instance, Democrats aren't starting on level playing ground and haven't been for awhile. A state that should be purple has been deep red in terms of voting for awhile now.

Five of the six most recent Governors have been Republicans and the Democrat was an unpopular one-term Governor. Ohio is much more Red than Blue. It’s not purple.

 

[Bowlmania]

It's probably also worth mentioning that most if not all of those things intricately involved the sitting Republican POTUS at the time. And given that there are people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn and Lauren Bobbert holding elected office, none of those things are even remotely fringe elements of the party.

There's little criticism of those three loonies from the far-righties here. But war vet Adam Kinzinger, a guy with integrity and a pair of balls, is a little "off" (and opportunistic and unhinged) according to one guy here yesterday. Amazing.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Don’t pretend to moralize. We wouldn’t even be here if the corrupt Republicans hadn’t stolen a seat. By any means necessary indeed. Biden doesn’t need to say a word. It doesn’t matter if it came out now or this summer. Women will be mobilizing. Recall when Kavanaugh said he considered Roe V Wade decided law? Surely he didn’t lie.

It’s “settled law,” and something like 60 decisions that have been around longer than Roe and considered settled law have been overturned. So it’s very possible to say something is considered settled law and then decide to overturn it. No, it’s not a lie.

 

[Bowlmania]

It’s “settled law,” and something like 60 decisions that have been around longer than Roe and considered settled law have been overturned. So it’s very possible to say something is considered settled law and then decide to overturn it. No, it’s not a lie.

It was actually Gorsuch who declared, in his confirmation hearings, that abortion was "settled law." Kavanaugh never went that far. In response to questioning from Susan Collins, he did describe Roe, though, as "precedent on precedent," and "settled as precedent." He added that a decision by the Court to overturn precedent should be rare, and that a majority of the Court disagreeing with a prior decision should not be enough to overturn it.

Hardly breaking news, but these nominees just say what they need to say in order to get confirmed.

 

[Willdog7]

ups the ante for the midterms!

Shocking! The Dems are seeing an ass-whipping coming at the polls, and - for the first time in our lives - a draft opinion leaks.

And within 24 hours, Biden the Babbler touts it as a reason to ignore the damage done and let the left retain power.



By any means necessary.

2+2=4.

What bothers me that Gop is against abortion, but they take away the food and the milk programs to help feed the kids. They defund public schools.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Five of the six most recent Governors have been Republicans and the Democrat was an unpopular one-term Governor. Ohio is much more Red than Blue. It’s not purple.

Ohio politics isn't purple, but it's general voting population is. I think the breakdown is something like 53% Republican, 47% Democrat. It's districting far from reflects that.

 

[Spartans9312]

What bothers me that Gop is against abortion, but they take away the food and the milk programs to help feed the kids. They defund public schools.

Every father should provide for their children.
It is not other taxpayers responsibility.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

What bothers me that Gop is against abortion, but they take away the food and the milk programs to help feed the kids. They defund public schools.

I don’t remember the “Take Away the Kid’s Food and Milk” bill. When did it pass? Kentucky has funded schools with state property taxes for longer than I can recall.

 

[Willdog7]

I don’t remember the “Take Away the Kid’s Food and Milk” bill. When did it pass? Kentucky has funded schools with state property taxes for longer than I can recall.

They cut the snap programs

 

[Willdog7]

Every father should provide for their children.
It is not other taxpayers responsibility.

We all are not blessed to have a mother and father. My dad died when I was 6 yo. we lived off of his SS. Everyone needs a little help sometimes. I grew up in public housing it was not living but surviving.

 

[Lucy01]

Every father should provide for their children.
It is not other taxpayers responsibility.

And it's not the tax payers responsibility to pay off student debt.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What bothers me that Gop is against abortion, but they take away the food and the milk programs to help feed the kids. They defund public schools.

It might bother you, but that's just not true. Link something showing a serious effort to defund public schools or take away "food and milk programs."

 

[Willdog7]

And it's not the tax payers responsibility to pay off student debt.

I agree with you about fathers providing for their children. Like I said my dad died when I was 6yo. I lived in public housing . We were surviving not living. We all could use a little help. If you are blessed enuff to take care of your own GOD bless you. Alot of young ppl go to higher education to get a better job but instead just come out with huge debts. Our children do not have it better than us. I'm not saying paying it all but a little help does wonders.

 

[Willdog7]

It might bother you, but that's just not true. Link something showing a serious effort to defund public schools or take away "food and milk programs."

You sound like a typical GOP. Why do we have all the charter schools? Who suffers, they take away money from public schools. You never had to use snap, they have been lowering the amount for snap for ages.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I’ve asked others so I’ll ask you too.

What language in the Constitution or any statute or any decision of any court says that what McConnell did in denying an appointment to Merrick Garland was illegal?

Not interested in your feelings about how it was “wrong” or “unfair” or “immoral” or “unjust” or anything else that is subjective. So don’t moralize. Explain how and why it was illegal or violated any lawwher

I’ve asked others so I’ll ask you too.

What language in the Constitution or any statute or any decision of any court says that what McConnell did in denying an appointment to Merrick Garland was illegal?

Not interested in your feelings about how it was “wrong” or “unfair” or “immoral” or “unjust” or anything else that is subjective. So don’t moralize. Explain how and why it was illegal or violated any law.

Where did I say it was against the law or the constitution? It was corrupt, immoral, and a blatant power grab. I’m not interested in your “feelings” about abortion or the leak either.

 

[Crayfish57]

Where did I say it was against the law or the constitution? It was corrupt, immoral, and a blatant power grab. I’m not interested in your “feelings” about abortion or the leak either.

Likewise I'm sure.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You sound like a typical GOP. Why do we have all the charter schools? Who suffers, they take away money from public schools. You never had to use snap, they have been lowering the amount for snap for ages.

You have no links, I guess. Also, you don't know who you're talking to. I probably experienced more poverty than most, if not all, of the posters on this board. My divorced mother was on assistance for a while. We lived in trailer parks on the wrong side of the tracks and went to some rough schools. I worked hard, did well in school, worked my way through college, joined the military as an officer and now I work in the civilian world - so I'm not poor now. I've looked at life from both sides now - as the song goes.

 

[zeke4ahs]

It’s “settled law,” and something like 60 decisions that have been around longer than Roe and considered settled law have been overturned. So it’s very possible to say something is considered settled law and then decide to overturn it. No, it’s not a lie.

Haha. Whatever you say. I’m sure Kavanaugh changed his mind between now and then. Sure thing.

Every father should provide for their children.
It is not other taxpayers responsibility.

In utopia that’s the way it works. In the United States, it’s often not. That’s what some people refuse to comprehend. Every family is not like you and the ones you know. Many are not.

 

[zeke4ahs]

You have no links, I guess. Also, you don't know who you're talking to. I probably experienced more poverty than most, if not all, of the posters on this board. My divorced mother was on assistance for a while. We lived in trailer parks on the wrong side of the tracks and went to some rough schools. I worked hard, did well in school, worked my way through college, joined the military as an officer and now I work in the civilian world - so I'm not poor now. I've looked at life from both sides now - as the song goes.

Mitch McConnell is reportedly opposing free school lunches: 'Kids are going to have less on their plates,' Biden's agriculture secretary says

Nearly 4 million children slipped back into poverty after the monthly child tax credit expired. Now, free school lunches are on the chopping block.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Haha. Whatever you say. I’m sure Kavanaugh changed his mind between now and then. Sure thing.

In utopia that’s the way it works. In the United States, it’s often not. That’s what some people refuse to comprehend. Every family is not like you and the ones you know. Many are not.

He didn't have to change his mind. "Settled law" only means that it has been around for a while and those on the court weren't yet ready to overturn it. The USSC overturned settled law when it reversed Plessy v. Ferguson and struck down segregation under the “separate but equal” doctrine. I assume you'd agree with that one and I'm sure you'd agree with many other examples. Settled law doesn't mean never-to-be-reversed. In this case it was most likely going to happen at some point even liberal defenders of the decision have long questioned it as a legal opinion. The Congress can codify some sort of abortion right in law for some period of the pregancy or whatever, or we allow each state to determine their law as happens, and usually should happen, in our Democratic Republic.

 

[Lucy01]

I agree with you about fathers providing for their children. Like I said my dad died when I was 6yo. I lived in public housing . We were surviving not living. We all could use a little help. If you are blessed enuff to take care of your own GOD bless you. Alot of young ppl go to higher education to get a better job but instead just come out with huge debts. Our children do not have it better than us. I'm not saying paying it all but a little help does wonders.

Didn't you draw Social Security off your dad?