You act like there is no process today. No background check. No waiting.
Why don't you go try to buy a gun and actually see the process?
Biden gets one right.
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Why don't you go try to buy a gun and actually see the process?
So where is the legislation? He had a Democrat Congress, for God's sake.
'Biggest goal' my ass.
I kinda agree. Any gun can be an assault weapon, that’s why I think Dems are stupid for framing the issue in those terms.
You would have to agree that a semi-auto AR 15 is more deadly than a single shot .22 LR. It could be that a jury could find all semi -auto AR 15’s are too dangerous to be sold so that gun must be a bolt or lever action. This is essentially what happened to 3-wheeled ATV’s.
No logical reason? They're all capable of causing violence and social calamity. How is there 'no logical reason' to treat them the same?
One of my favorite Jack McCoy closing arguments...
And then he gets spanked by the judge.
Yes, and beer is less potent than whiskey. So what? There's still no manufacturer liability for alcohol manufacturers.
A MACK truck is more deadly than a passenger car.
It's just a matter of degree. If they don't want AR-15s, or guns of that calibur, in the public's hands, then outlaw public use of them altogether.
Spoken like a product liability attorney. Are you sure you're not a Democrat? lol
Manufacturer, no. Distributor, yes.
There is a reason bartenders have to cut off patrons.
There is a reason that stores have to ask for ID's of the buyer.
Let run an experiment. Lets lay an AR, a 9mm with a pistol brace, a 12 ga and Tony Fauxi with a Chinese Bio lab on a table. Lets see which one kills more people.
Yeah, and I said above, the sellers of guns should be held liable if they don't follow the process/law.
But CO is talking about the manufacturer (I think).
I honestly thought that it is illegal for gun mfg to advertise on TV. Magazines I think are ok though.
I’m going to get a FAUCI LIED PEOPLE DIED bumper sticker and put it right next to a paw that says WHO SAVED WHO when I start dating again
Lol
I once gave a presentation to a GOP group explaining how tort reform is a liberal idea. The seventh amendment is as important as the second.
OH OH OH we need common scenes universal background checks....... GO buy a damn gun and see if we have that already. duh.
I’m talking about any part of the supply chain that creates a problem. That could be a retail seller.
Still trying to figure out how alcohol is of social utility - unless it's to help fat girls have sex, too.
Social utility is sort of a nebulous concept, right? Everyone's idea of social utility is different.
I know who you are. It's clear as day.
Just because you believe something, doesn't mean that it is common sense. You're fallible, just like everyone else. You may have the wrong take here.
(Hint...you do)
Aren't gun sellers liable now, if they don't follow the process and one of their guns is used in a crime?
Is there a specific law that says gun manufacturers are exempt from normal liability? I honestly don't know - just asking for my own education.
COH has been beating this drum for years.
The goal has always been to get as many guns as possible off the streets. PERIOD. The 2nd amendment is pretty cut and dried so this is what they’ve come up with.
Repeal the immunity laws and start filing endless lawsuits until they find a sympathetic judge. Sue every manufacturer out of existence and voila, they’ve circumvented the 2nd amendment.
Then the progressives can pat each other on the back while the lawyers count the money.
Meanwhile, the criminals can still have any gun they want because the black market has EXPLODED and the only people who won’t be able to have guns are those of us who buy them legally, because all the gun shops have closed because guns are either not available or way to expensive to own.
That doesn’t matter to them, though. They’ve accomplished their goal.
And, "unnecessarily dangerous"? Do you believe everyone (or even most) will be in agreement with regards to what guns are considered "unnecessarily dangerous"? Talk about subjective...
Yea it kind of cuts totally against every freedom that we are SUPPOSED to have in this country.
Oh, I don't like that hobby so I won't let you do it, sounds a little like China or Venezuela.
Everyone is never in agreement. Like all things we have experts and compromise. Ranger is gone but he provided valuable insight on this topic and was for more aggressive regulation
There are too many hand guns in most urban areas and I don’t see a social need for a semi-auto AR15. Restrictions on both don’t have any more second amendment issues than restrictions on 50 cal machine guns. Prove me wrong
Well, I have to agree that's wrong. If they're doing something nefarious - and, as far as I know, they're not - they should be held accountable.
If a gun performs as designed and expected, there should be no problem. I'd also like to see restitution to the gun manufacturer if a jury finds for them in a lawsuit. That should keep frivolous lawsuits from being filed.
Well, if Ranger thinks it...
Was Ranger's insight valuable because it confirmed your bias on this subject?
Yeah he knows first hand the damage they do. His opinion matters. So let’s hear it in your own words. What social utility attends these weapons?
Ok?
Opinion.
I though we were talking about immunity laws?
But here at least we’re getting to the heart of the matter.
It’s not about what’s right or just. It’s about your opinion of guns.
Just be honest about it.
They are working very hard to frame it otherwise, but you nailed it.
Who is they? And I wasn’t talking about immunity. I was talking about assault weapons and social utility. I want to hear your argument re same
WHO here doesn't know what damage a bullet does. Ranger was on a soap box about this. Nothing more nothing less. "this bullet will kill you, but THIS ONE will tear you up more while it kills you". That was his take. Both end with the same COD.
It's just people with a loud voice, an agenda and no more of a cure than anyone else. With ALL due respect to Ranger of course.
No that isn’t at all what he said. Be honest. It was assault weapons paired with large capacity mags and the damage they do to a mass of people. Not one
But trust them that once they take the next class of gun that they won't start the grab for the NEXT gun. They wouldn't do that. TRUUUUUUST us. Get in the cattle car for the next and last vacation that you will ever need.
They assume I'll follow them. At this point there isn't much left on the table except ban and confiscate.Oh yea wise guy? All they have to do is follow the Chicago and NY gun laws it will all be ok........ Oh wait a minute... Disregard.
Let's say you ban the AR. What happens when these shooters start using the next semi-auto in line? Want me to start listing all the available options?
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