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Maybe because Pubs are reducing polling locations per capita in areas that are more heavily populated by dems?
Batten down the hatches gang
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Maybe because Pubs are reducing polling locations per capita in areas that are more heavily populated by dems?
You mean like a civics or government class that everyone is required to take in high school?
Good Lord......
I lose my reception to NPR for a brief period on my daily run to Bedford, and usually switch over to Clay & Buck for shits and giggles for a few minutes. They've been all @dbmhoosier and @bailey777 for the last several weeks, celebrating the coming Red Tsunami and spiking the ball and doing their touchdown dances ahead of time.
Boy, were they bummed out today. It was delicious.
Boy, were they bummed out today. It was delicious.
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Dobbs, Deniers, and Donald I saw in one headline. Pretty much sums it up.
That KY referendum outcome surprised me. I guess it shouldn't have after Kansas, but still... it's KY, for cryin' out loud.
Montana had a referendum on providing medical care to any infant/fetus born alive (lncluding during an abortion). Penalties including criminal conviction for any provider who did not comply.
It failed? Why - does Montana hate socialized medicine more than they love babies?
What a world. I really tried to figure out why this failed and it appears to be a pretty straight forward, plain language question.
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That's my though as well. Probably trying to do something on abortion in the worst way possible. I suspect they didn't think they could get a ban through so they tried this?
KS, KY, MI, and MT... maybe, just maybe, the voters want these questions to be private and personal and between the patient and her doctor.
A ban after 12 to 15 weeks would be accepted by most people. The electorate is pretty clear where they are. It is also going to vary from state to state. The problem on the right is trying to undue 50 years too fast. The problem on the left is that their extreme is basically to say "anytime, anywhere" now. Most people are not cool with that either. In states like Indiana, you will get a disallowed in all but certain instances while in Michigan it should be looking at that "European" standard (legal in first trimester and illegal afterward). It should not be a constitutional amendment, that was the issue in KY and KS I believe.
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It would be nice if each state would hold a special referendum, with a multiple choice vote, debates leading up to it, and then just abide by the results. Put this to bed instead of allowing to linger in the national political process for decades more, sowing strife and division.
I think the narrative that the left all want abortions on demand, at any time, and for any reason is extremely overblown. Any argument that deals is extremes is seldom right. That to me is as extreme a position as claiming all anti abortion advocates want to make underage victims of rape carry to term.
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You could even set it up so that you hold the referendum every 10 years so that each generation participates.
I think the extreme left do want wide open abortion. I am not the most extreme right but I am pretty extreme right on abortion and I wanted it banned in all but some specific instances.
There are people on the left and right who think a ban after the first trimester is where we should be. You can pull all sorts of polls to support that. That isn't being offered almost anywhere because the two sides who are most moved by this particular item are at both of the extreme ends.
Planned Parenthood is on the left (regarding abortion, anyway), but it ain't the left, as many on the board would like to pretend.
Bing is Air Force. We have the four major services represented here.
It isn't the left, but they are the ones who push what the left does legislatively. Is there anywhere run by the left where they have proposed any type of restrictions on abortion?
Republicans can win on this issue if they just offer what most Americans, even Democrats, say they prefer for abortion. That is a ban on abortion with exceptions after the first trimester (something like 12-15 weeks) and allow it in the first trimester. Not only is that what the public would support, it also aligns us with nearly every country in Europe. The problem is Democratic politicians vote every time to prevent any restrictions on abortion even in the third trimester because they're afraid of their base on the left. Even their bill to "codify Roe" was so lenient on the late-term restrictions they amounted to no restrictions at all. On the other hand, most Republican politicians are so afraid that their base on the right won't support any vote for it, even in the first trimester. Some of these referendums in conservative states suggest that they're wrong to fear the Republican base. Again, Republicans can win on the issue if they have the guts to try.
The problem for Republicans in a lot of these states is that the anti-abortion no-exception portion of their base is just big enough to make them worry about a primary challenge.
I'm coming around to the idea that more and more states should do what Alaska and a few others have moved to, and have an all-party jungle primary with an instant runoff. That would make it harder for the loons to guarantee a spot in the final two.
In Indiana a Republican put forward a 13 week proposal which was shot down by a super majority GOP. So….
Isn't the first full sonogram done around 21 weeks? Isn't that when most gross abnormalities are found?
And that's the problem with traditional Republicans - they don't have the guts to try.
Whatever you may think of Trump, he isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes.
He wouldn't do what I suggested and he's not even pro-life. He was pro-choice for years until he decided he'd run for President as a Republican. He's a sham artist pretending to be pro-life. Much of what he professes to believe is a lie. We'd have a much better chance to win on this issue with traditional Republicans.
I know. It surprised me too. Honestly , I think many people who don’t approve of abortion still are bothered by the government making those decisions.
This is me. I think we should implement whatever policies we can to make all abortions entirely unnecessary. But I don't think the government should be part of the decision-making process on an individual level.
I think it is time to cut Trump loose. Thanks for some of the things you did and thanks for changing the conversation on some things, but he isn't who you build a coalition around because he is focused on himself.
I am going to keep beating the drum. DeSantis needs to be the guy in 2024. Abortion? He got Florida to do the ban after 15 weeks and it needs to be a state by state effort anyway. However, he is going to be hard to attack from the left on the major issue that got one of the Democrat's main constituencies to the polls on Tuesday. He has had the social issues fights and has actually competently governed. He was right on how he handled COVID. Even if you like Trump, DeSantis is the better candidate when you dig in on him.
Re: Trump and abortion.....this is gold Jerry. GOLD.
I don't disagree and I'm not defending Trump after he's lashed out at Desantis. I'm just saying he isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes. I don't know who would disagree with that.
I think it is time to cut Trump loose. Thanks for some of the things you did and thanks for changing the conversation on some things, but he isn't who you build a coalition around because he is focused on himself.
I am going to keep beating the drum. DeSantis needs to be the guy in 2024. Abortion? He got Florida to do the ban after 15 weeks and it needs to be a state by state effort anyway. However, he is going to be hard to attack from the left on the major issue that got one of the Democrat's main constituencies to the polls on Tuesday. He has had the social issues fights and has actually competently governed. He was right on how he handled COVID. Even if you like Trump, DeSantis is the better candidate when you dig in on him.
But Desantis will be demonized and made to seem like Satan by the Democrats, so that by 2024, he'll be on par with Trump by the election in 2024.
I think you're fooling yourself. 'traditional' Republicans get beat up and their lunch money stolen by Democrats.
Desantis learned from Trump to fight back - he wasn't like that until Trump backed him.
And whenever Trump isn't on the political scene, Republicans will go right back to being Democrat-lite.
This election is proving that Trump and Trumpster politicians aren’t the answer for Republicans winning elections.
