At least 10 dead in Buffalo shooting

[cosmickid]

Had to look up “replacement theory.”

I think i have heard sociologists and statisticians argue about when whites would become a non-majority (>50%) in the US population my whole life. It was never treated as racist theory - just math and birth rates.

When did the focus shift to a theory of “intent” versus “natural progression” - and more important - why, and what was the mode of change?

I’ll go first. I do not believe there is a “plan”
to “replace” white people. I do believe some folks are stirring up division and hatred on the basis of, and between, racial groups, and the weak minded help them by believing internet BS and helping it along with false claims of false racism. And you wind up with social media radicalizing blacks and whites to hate each other.

So the better question for society is who is doing it and why?

I’ll go first. Politicians, for votes, in the libraries, on campus and public schools, aided by anti-capitalist, drug-addled Woodstock Nation educators?

"Had to look up “replacement theory.”

I think i have heard sociologists and statisticians argue about when whites would become a non-majority (>50%) in the US population my whole life. It was never treated as racist theory - just math and birth rates."


I guess I'll accept this on face value as true since you maintain it to be so. Maybe you don't watch Tucker or even Fox?

But he's got the most watched show on the most watched cable network, so his audience is pretty vast. And as this video demonstrates, "replacement theory" is one of his most widely discussed topics. So it's safe to assume that a large portion of his audience doesn't have to look it up the way you did...

Some on the Right on this board seem to characterize the board's lefties as "out of touch" and not living in the real world. These same folks never seem to be attuned to Fox News, and in your case have never heard of topics like "the replacement theory". So maybe the out of touch critique is just as applicable to those on the Right as it is seemingly applied to the board's Left. Curious as to how enlightening you find the content of this video, as far as awakening you to possible extremism masquerading as mainstream news?



Now assuming you watched the video, does Tucker's application and use of "replacement theory" strike you as the benign sociologist/statistician model of math and birth rates. Do you think the kid in New York took his cue from people like Tucker, or mathematicians and statisticians? I realize you guys have never heard of 4 chan, but the kid starts his manifesto out talking about how his radicalization began when he started to immerse himself in 4 chan during the pandemic...

 

[mcmurtry66]

Feel free to reject my hypothesis. I think liberals are big into asking groups what is holding them back and creating policy from that. An example, at schools and workplaces gays say they are bullied far more often. The result, DEI.

Now the polling can be wrong. People might lie. But that is the logic behind that program, and others.

Poor people have often spent weeks/ months in jail because they cannot afford bail. If they are found not guilty, or even guilty but eligible for diversion, they have lost any job they might have. Maybe lost their apartment, any vehicle.

Now we may be going too far, but that is the thought.

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Poor people often can’t afford to pay bail — even when they’re innocent. An app developed in Chicago offers help using your spare change.

Tiffany Mikell and her partner, Kortney Ziegler, developed a web app, Appolition, to help raise money for those who can't afford to pay for their bail. Bail/bond is a concern for those working on prison reform, and a number of Chicagoans are trying to make changes.

www.chicagotribune.com

I appreciate that there are many on the right willing to work to help. Crazy clearly said he supports helping the poor. Now where he and I differ may be where the line is, but we have a line. Some on the far left have the line wrong, I have no doubt. Likewise I disagree with the far right that wants nothing to do with programs.

Agree with much of what you write. And having been involved in direct service programs I KNOW these lefties care and are trying. And I KNOW there are too many righties who think we are all starting with an equal footing when we aren't. I believe programs are required. I just think to many existing programs are bandaids and rarely change anyone's long term prospects. Generalizing of course.

And yes FTAs even 10 percent bonds and fines have a disproportionate impact on the poor. The Ferguson report did a nice job on this. But it's not an easy fix. You know in Fla there's no emissions and state inspections. Hence no tickets for noncompliance. What do you do? How do you enforce stuff?

 

[i'vegotwinners]

"Had to look up “replacement theory.”

I think i have heard sociologists and statisticians argue about when whites would become a non-majority (>50%) in the US population my whole life. It was never treated as racist theory - just math and birth rates."


I guess I'll accept this on face value as true since you maintain it to be so. Maybe you don't watch Tucker or even Fox?

But he's got the most watched show on the most watched cable network, so his audience is pretty vast. And as this video demonstrates, "replacement theory" is one of his most widely discussed topics. So it's safe to assume that a large portion of his audience doesn't have to look it up the way you did...

Some on the Right on this board seem to characterize the board's lefties as "out of touch" and not living in the real world. These same folks never seem to be attuned to Fox News, and in your case have never heard of topics like "the replacement theory". So maybe the out of touch critique is just as applicable to those on the Right as it is seemingly applied to the board's Left. Curious as to how enlightening you find the content of this video, as far as awakening you to possible extremism masquerading as mainstream news?

View embedded media

Now assuming you watched the video, does Tucker's application and use of "replacement theory" strike you as the benign sociologist/statistician model of math and birth rates. Do you think the kid in New York took his cue from people like Tucker, or mathematicians and statisticians? I realize you guys have never heard of 4 chan, but the kid starts his manifesto out talking about how his radicalization began when he started to immerse himself in 4 chan during the pandemic...

while i don't disagree with you, let's not over think or over complicate the real issue here and in most all mass shootings.

there are lots of crazies in the country, and it's way too easy for crazies to get guns and ammo.

as for the non mass shootings which are far more common, and kill far more, the gang killings and the "if i can't have you, no one can, killings, same problem there.

guns and ammo in the hands of those who shouldn't have them.

the more guns, the more gun killings.

that's the real "math" at play here, and always.

that math will never change.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Who knows the law on body armor, I see no state has made it illegal. Is it protected by the second. A security guard scored at least one hit on the shooter but it did not penetrate.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who knows the law on body armor, I see no state has made it illegal. Is it protected by the second. A security guard scored at least one hit on the shooter but it did not penetrate.

I know a bit. Fed law I think prohibits it for convicted felons for a certain period. States also have their own laws. That said it's bullshit. They are largely Kevlar and Kevlar is sold by countless sporting equipment companies, outside of all the tactical companies that sell bulletproof gear. I can buy Kevlar in a vest from two sporting good companies friends own right now. You can also buy sheets of it. You can buy a sheet of it and stick it in your kid's backpack for protection. How F'd is that

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I know a bit. Fed law I think prohibits it for convicted felons for a certain period. States also have their own laws. That said it's bullshit. They are largely Kevlar and Kevlar is sold by countless sporting equipment companies. I can buy Kevlar in a vest from two sporting good companies friends own right now. You can also buy sheets of it. You can buy a sheet of it and stick it in your kid's backpack for protection. How F'd is that

I remember this story:

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

California has not have made body armor illegal, so I guess there must be second amendment issues. I am having trouble thinking our founders used body armor in every day conversation as "arms".

 

[mcmurtry66]

I remember this story:

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

California has not have made body armor illegal, so I guess there must be second amendment issues. I am having trouble thinking our founders used body armor in every day conversation as "arms".

Yeah. Like I said Kevlar is readily available. It's used buy a ton of companies in my industry. There's no background checks etc. The fibers that repel bullets are also effective at reducing impacts in sports. What do you do?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

"Had to look up “replacement theory.”

I think i have heard sociologists and statisticians argue about when whites would become a non-majority (>50%) in the US population my whole life. It was never treated as racist theory - just math and birth rates."


I guess I'll accept this on face value as true since you maintain it to be so. Maybe you don't watch Tucker or even Fox?

But he's got the most watched show on the most watched cable network, so his audience is pretty vast. And as this video demonstrates, "replacement theory" is one of his most widely discussed topics. So it's safe to assume that a large portion of his audience doesn't have to look it up the way you did...

Some on the Right on this board seem to characterize the board's lefties as "out of touch" and not living in the real world. These same folks never seem to be attuned to Fox News, and in your case have never heard of topics like "the replacement theory". So maybe the out of touch critique is just as applicable to those on the Right as it is seemingly applied to the board's Left. Curious as to how enlightening you find the content of this video, as far as awakening you to possible extremism masquerading as mainstream news?

View embedded media

Now assuming you watched the video, does Tucker's application and use of "replacement theory" strike you as the benign sociologist/statistician model of math and birth rates. Do you think the kid in New York took his cue from people like Tucker, or mathematicians and statisticians? I realize you guys have never heard of 4 chan, but the kid starts his manifesto out talking about how his radicalization began when he started to immerse himself in 4 chan during the pandemic...

You guess you will accept it on face value?

Why does my statement surprise you? Because you believe all non-Clinton voters/non-Biden voters are racists - and can't accept that one - EVEN ONE - doesn't watch Tucker Carlson? Because that is sooooo unusual in your world?

I'll put "replacement theory" in the same box as "hands up - don't shoot". It's propaganda - not news.

As for what motivated that kid to shoot up that store and kill those people - I have no idea yet. While there are none that will justify his actions, I'll await the facts. I will not allow a dumbass on TV to cherry pick a few of them and give me a breathless "BREAKING NEWS" report as if they know. I doubt his "story" will be unique or new.

 

[IUINSB]

I doubt his "story" will be unique or new.

And that is the problem. It will happen again and again.

 

[Crayfish57]

I don't usually respond to you because I don't believe you engage in good faith arguments.

That is funny, let me guess you wear a pocket protector and haven't told nor laughed at a joke in years?

Some of you people take yourselves way, way too seriously.

 

[ulrey]

What color was the gun?

people don't kill people.. guns do!

 

[ulrey]

And you will still read every one of our posts. Putting people on ignore is only for the weak.

a grown man sighing is laughable

 

[IUCrazy2]

Feel free to reject my hypothesis. I think liberals are big into asking groups what is holding them back and creating policy from that. An example, at schools and workplaces gays say they are bullied far more often. The result, DEI.

Now the polling can be wrong. People might lie. But that is the logic behind that program, and others.

Poor people have often spent weeks/ months in jail because they cannot afford bail. If they are found not guilty, or even guilty but eligible for diversion, they have lost any job they might have. Maybe lost their apartment, any vehicle.

Now we may be going too far, but that is the thought.

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Poor people often can’t afford to pay bail — even when they’re innocent. An app developed in Chicago offers help using your spare change.

Tiffany Mikell and her partner, Kortney Ziegler, developed a web app, Appolition, to help raise money for those who can't afford to pay for their bail. Bail/bond is a concern for those working on prison reform, and a number of Chicagoans are trying to make changes.

www.chicagotribune.com

I appreciate that there are many on the right willing to work to help. Crazy clearly said he supports helping the poor. Now where he and I differ may be where the line is, but we have a line. Some on the far left have the line wrong, I have no doubt. Likewise I disagree with the far right that wants nothing to do with programs.

I think everyone could come upon a time where they need a hand up. In a modern society you have to have a social safety net that helps people who cannot help themselves first and then those who have fallen on what should be temporary hardships. What you don't want is to set up a system whereby a hand out, coupled with a perception that there is no way out of current circumstances, encourages people to give up.

I think we get too much of the latter, we need to figure out a better way to get the former. People need to work. Married couples are optimal. Part of building generational wealth is having parents with combined incomes who are earning something to pass on.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Why did you ignore the politicians? You ALWAYS engage in selective fact choosing when you respond. As a guy whose whole family was teachers, I would expect more fairness from you.

Did you teach or indoctrinate?

Can you still tell the difference?

Because this is nonsense. Yes I indoctrinated 7 year olds. Was with a group of teachers the other night laughing at the nonsense people believe these days.
Is there a new rule that you must comment on every aspect of a post? I’ll try to keep that in mind.
Why did you ignore my Woodstock comment? How dare you pick and choose what you respond to. What a hypocrite.

 

[zeke4ahs]

The mayors in major us cities are Dems. Not long ago I believe there wasn't a republican mayor in all of America running a city of one million or more. I think it'd be fascinating to see how things would work if we flipped the script. Blue states and red cities.

It would be because nearly all the poorest and least educated states have Republican governors.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You guess you will accept it on face value?

Why does my statement surprise you? Because you believe all non-Clinton voters/non-Biden voters are racists - and can't accept that one - EVEN ONE - doesn't watch Tucker Carlson? Because that is sooooo unusual in your world?

I'll put "replacement theory" in the same box as "hands up - don't shoot". It's propaganda - not news.

As for what motivated that kid to shoot up that store and kill those people - I have no idea yet. While there are none that will justify his actions, I'll await the facts. I will not allow a dumbass on TV to cherry pick a few of them and give me a breathless "BREAKING NEWS" report as if they know. I doubt his "story" will be unique or new.

The left invented the Great Replacement Theory as a means to gloat over baby boomers dying off.

GRT, is a crock. Many things are more important than demographics and skin color. The Dems are hemorrhaging black and brown voters and they have no idea why.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

The left invented the Great Replacement Theory as a means to gloat over baby boomers dying off.

GRT, is a crock. Many things are more important than demographics and skin color. The Dems are hemorrhaging black and brown voters and they have no idea why.

Can we see a link to your idea of where it started. Here is one from me.

Great Replacement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[IUINSB]

The left invented the Great Replacement Theory as a means to gloat over baby boomers dying off.

GRT, is a crock. Many things are more important than demographics and skin color. The Dems are hemorrhaging black and brown voters and they have no idea why.

So the Charlottesville Unite the Right marchers were leftists. Okaaaay.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Can we see a link to your idea of where it started. Here is one from me.

Great Replacement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The left treats GRT as if it were fait accompli for the political future of this country. It isn't. Not even close Part of the fallout of that notion is the Democrats headlong rush to the bottom in every aspet of public policy. The chaos in every aspect of governance is palpable. The Democrats are taking too many things for granted, including GRT.

Your link might be accurate history, I really don't know. But I'm talking about current events.

 

[UncleMark]

The left treats GRT as if it were fait accompli for the political future of this country. It isn't. Not even close Part of the fallout of that notion is the Democrats headlong rush to the bottom in every aspet of public policy. The chaos in every aspect of governance is palpable. The Democrats are taking too many things for granted, including GRT.

Your link might be accurate history, I really don't know. But I'm talking about current events.

That's some authentic frontier gibberish there.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Can we see a link to your idea of where it started. Here is one from me.

Great Replacement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I don't know where the theory started, but how often have we seen or heard, "I can't wait until these old white guys die off..." or something to that effect? I know I have seen it on this board.

Have you ever seen American History X? You take a young person who has some things not go their way, take some truths that you aren't allowed to talk about, add a dash of "the other side is saying this", and mix it up with a convincing salesperson and you can create hate.

Take that movie and update it with the internet how it is today. Everyone attached to it through a phone they carry everywhere. It is part of why I rail against the "antiracism" (a misnomer), CRT, intersectionality junk and why I do not believe we should be pushing it anywhere...let alone schools. It sells fatalism to one side and breeds hate on the other. "The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” Mix that with the absolute glee that some have on the left at claiming that "white people's time is coming" and you create an environment that helps to breed this stuff. And on the other side, you tell people that whitey is holding them down and they can never get ahead or be equal no matter what they do because racism is basically innate in white people. Which leads to the reverse image of this, the guy who shot up the subway about a month or so ago.

We need to knock off the way we handle this stuff. It is really detrimental to our social fabric.

 

[Indianaftw]

Wow want a fresh perspective. Read this tweet and the comments. How long before the Civil War 2?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I don't know where the theory started, but how often have we seen or heard, "I can't wait until these old white guys die off..." or something to that effect? I know I have seen it on this board.

Have you ever seen American History X? You take a young person who has some things not go their way, take some truths that you aren't allowed to talk about, add a dash of "the other side is saying this", and mix it up with a convincing salesperson and you can create hate.

Take that movie and update it with the internet how it is today. Everyone attached to it through a phone they carry everywhere. It is part of why I rail against the "antiracism" (a misnomer), CRT, intersectionality junk and why I do not believe we should be pushing it anywhere...let alone schools. It sells fatalism to one side and breeds hate on the other. "The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” Mix that with the absolute glee that some have on the left at claiming that "white people's time is coming" and you create an environment that helps to breed this stuff. And on the other side, you tell people that whitey is holding them down and they can never get ahead or be equal no matter what they do because racism is basically innate in white people. Which leads to the reverse image of this, the guy who shot up the subway about a month or so ago.

We need to knock off the way we handle this stuff. It is really detrimental to our social fabric.

So, are you blaming the Left for the shooting in Buffalo? I apologize if I am misreading.

 

[Lucy01]

Trump doesn't need the diversion!

 

[IUCrazy2]

So, are you blaming the Left for the shooting in Buffalo? I apologize if I am misreading.

We all share blame.

 

[Lucy01]

We all share blame.

Could you explain your position please.

 

[Stuffshot]

It’s more internet. That 18 year old wasn’t watching Fox News. There’s no containing the internet, why I say there’s nothing you can do.

You could force ISPs to police themselves by taking away some of the immunity given to an ISP for material it republishes from other sources.

The internet is healthy and developed enough now that it no longer needs a competitive advantage over print and broadcast media, and we've all seen the disadvantages of allowing intentional lies and hateful content to be published for profit by ISPs,

 

[Marvin the Martian]

The left treats GRT as if it were fait accompli for the political future of this country. It isn't. Not even close Part of the fallout of that notion is the Democrats headlong rush to the bottom in every aspet of public policy. The chaos in every aspect of governance is palpable. The Democrats are taking too many things for granted, including GRT.

Your link might be accurate history, I really don't know. But I'm talking about current events.

There has been a simple math for a long time, Hispanics are having kids and Whites are not. You suggesting pointing out that math is a problem?

And no where in the Constitution does it say we are to be White dominated nation. If Hispanics become the largest group, who the hell cares? Racists care, why should a non racist? I look forward to taco trucks on every corner, the dog whistle from 2016.

Do you care if there are more Hispanics than Whites?

 

[Stuffshot]

Without looking, I’d bet drug related murders in Mexico match the US, or better.

But with the US Partisans going at each other constantly, trying to MAKE people hate each other for political gain, it is no surprise that people here get radicalized and - shock - hate the folks they are taught to hate. Plus, we have a very diverse population and they are labeled daily constantly so everyone knows which demographic they are supposed to be and can easily pick their hate targets.

Was this guy a Deplorable before he was a racist? I guess we’ll find out soon.

Ask yourself how people are being radicalized and "taught to hate" as you posted.

It's not because they're conducting scientific studies or reading them.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Could you explain your position please.

The political system is set up to demonize the other in ways that antagonize each other leading to a downward spiral that ends in violence for a very small few.

 

[Lucy01]

There has been a simple math for a long time, Hispanics are having kids and Whites are not. You suggesting pointing out that math is a problem?

And no where in the Constitution does it say we are to be White dominated nation. If Hispanics become the largest group, who the hell cares? Racists care, why should a non racist? I look forward to taco trucks on every corner, the dog whistle from 2016.

Do you care if there are more Hispanics than Whites?

I guess you support Drug Cartels running our government. Because that's what would happen.

 

[mrhighlife]

we’re a nation of psychos too apparently. Deinstitutionalization had consequences.

Thanks Reagan.

 

[Univee2]

The Horrors Of Scaphism, The Ancient Persian Torture Method Where Insects Slowly Ate You From The Inside Out

Scaphism may be the most horrifying execution method in history.

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That’s pretty gruesome for this guy.

I like it.

 

[Indianaftw]

Do you care if there are more Hispanics than Whites?

Take a history lesson in Elite population control. That will never happen. jus sayin.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Thanks Reagan.

wut?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

There has been a simple math for a long time, Hispanics are having kids and Whites are not. You suggesting pointing out that math is a problem?

And no where in the Constitution does it say we are to be White dominated nation. If Hispanics become the largest group, who the hell cares? Racists care, why should a non racist? I look forward to taco trucks on every corner, the dog whistle from 2016.

Do you care if there are more Hispanics than Whites?

I’m not talking about the math part. GRT also supposedly speaks to a shift in political power. that part is a crock. Political power does not follow skin color, no matter how much the Democrats wish it should.

Oh, Hispanics are white. AOC is as white as I am.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Stl has had 45 kids under 17 shot so far this year. This weekend we had 14 shootings.

As for Buffalo Amazon needs to be able to be sued. Posting hate and making movies about heinous acts should come with responsibility

 

[All4You]

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I’m not talking about the math part. GRT also supposedly speaks to a shift in political power. that part is a crock. Political power does not follow skin color, no matter how much the Democrats wish it should.

Oh, Hispanics are white. AOC is as white as I am.

Hispanics are White, but they are not perceived as such or we would not be having this debate on replacement theory and the fear of taco trucks on every street corner

Germans and Italians are White, they were hated when they came over in the 1800s. The 1800s replacement theory whicjlh I am sure was the fault of woke mobs. Slavery too

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Cosmic apparently writes for rolling stone.