At least 10 dead in Buffalo shooting
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Except that NOBODY called it right wing violence, until YOU DID.
The shooter was 18 years old. Not your typical gravy seal / Jan 6 type. But maybe you're right and he is on your team
Lol... you don't want to look at homicide rates in this country compared to the rest of the world. It's not a pretty picture.
Only morons can't connect the dots between rampant guns and a homicide rate that is worse than Kenya or Pakistan. But yeah, let's blame the partisans for all the murders.
Do you refer to your fellow lefties as white supremacists? Agreed you just posted the article but Zeke went out of her way to make it a right wing issue. If you can't see that its time for an eye appointment
What major news network is that? This shooter listened to and watched crap. Not a news network.
Or maybe you are talking about Darrell Brooks?
I have no idea what you're talking about. @mcmurtry66 has tons of right wing friends and he's never even heard of white supremacists.
Aw hell, let’s do it for fun … since you like to call people morons
This chart shows 2020 data
McM taking his wife out tonight.I have no idea what you're talking about. @mcmurtry66 has tons of right wing friends and he's never even heard of white supremacists.
Yes. It's almost impossible to get a table at our neighborhood Starbucks with all of the Q members and white supremacists in their hoods and horns, scheming and hatching plans over shaken espressos. They're as ubiquitous in our city as squirrels 😉I have no idea what you're talking about. @mcmurtry66 has tons of right wing friends and he's never even heard of white supremacists.
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I’m not racist and I’m not a white supremacist, I just get really upset when you accuse racists and white supremacists of doing bad shit.
Aw hell, let’s do it for fun … since you like to call people morons
This chart shows 2020 data
That's an odd looking chart. Lots and lots of countries not listed.
Aw hell, let’s do it for fun … since you like to call people morons
This chart shows 2020 data
still effing crazy and depressing considering every country worse off on the list (minus Russia?) is still dealing with colonial hangovers, our fake war on drugs, and/ or the after effects of apartheid.
ya know, maybe we’re still dealing with all those things too. Surreal.
The guy who shot the people in Buffalo was terrible. Also terrible is your attempt to reframe what happened in Wisconsin. That guy wasn't just running from police. Nice try though.Notice the relatively benign nature of both shooters' OP and your 1st post, contrasted to the leap to conclusions nature of this "classic" thread.
WI Christmas Parade
Multiple fatalities reported at least. Was definitely a revenge hit for the Rittenhouse verdict.indiana.forums.rivals.com
Of course the OP of that thread will never be accused of being a Mensa member. But it's amazing the leap from a common criminal running people down during a high speed attempted get away, to someone plotting Revenge over the Rittenhouse murders...
But the hypocrisy from the usual suspects when comparing their posts in the respective threads is pretty illuminating...
Strange how often that happens when the perps and victims of various stories change colors...
Agree. Don't know why. But it was the first “rate” chart I found, and it still shows that - despite our alleged unique combo of gun laws, drugs, and multiple-victim shootings, our comparison to other nations is better than a moron might think.
I will take the debate in a different direction. Will making it easier for the replacement theory, and other lunatic fringe theories, to spread?
I didn’t notice that. I generally just skim Cosmics posts because if you’ve read one you’ve read them all.
That’s pretty blatantly dishonest though.
Except, wait for it, no one, no one, mentioned right wing but you. You messed up, might as well admit it. You claimed him.
We blinked. It’s all over the news. I’m on the record for the death penalty when it’s a murder without even the possibility of a doubt. This seems to be one of those cases. Execute him, after a fair trial finds him guilty of course. I think a firing squad would be an appropriate method of execution.
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Nah. Go all sharia law on him.
I'm really disappointed Obama couldn't get that into our legal system.
Being it’s NY theyll spend quite literally millions on him until he’s 85 years old.
Which words, if we open Twitter and Facebook up so that theories like this cannot be censored or connected will it allow crazy theories to spread further and faster?
Maybe Musk has a foolproof way to block all bots, but AI is getting smarter and smarter. I am unsure we will be able to spot bots nearly as well as he does.
The problem is the diversity of the world. At an international competition 7 years ago, a bot fooled 1/3 of the judges by pretending to be a 13 year old Ukrainian. So the British judges had a harder time using broken English and immaturity against the computer.
Now I will be the first to say that maybe having replacement theory, something the shooter believed, more in the open will result in more people addressing and countering it. That could help, but I have debated the Holocaust with deniers and my take is they aren't changing their mind.
Everything that happens in the world happens with seams. Nothing fits into place perfectly. As a result there are always things conspiracy theorists can point to and say, "see, doesn't fit perfectly".
Had to look up “replacement theory.”
I think i have heard sociologists and statisticians argue about when whites would become a non-majority (>50%) in the US population my whole life. It was never treated as racist theory - just math and birth rates.
When did the focus shift to a theory of “intent” versus “natural progression” - and more important - why, and what was the mode of change?
I’ll go first. I do not believe there is a “plan”
to “replace” white people. I do believe some folks are stirring up division and hatred on the basis of, and between, racial groups, and the weak minded help them by believing internet BS and helping it along with false claims of false racism. And you wind up with social media radicalizing blacks and whites to hate each other.
So the better question for society is who is doing it and why?
I’ll go first. Politicians, for votes, in the libraries, on campus and public schools, aided by anti-capitalist, drug-addled Woodstock Nation educators?
Dude...don't even bring up squirrels. Those motherf#%kers ain't scared of anything.
Wait...they let conservatives into your Starbucks? What kind of insane place do you live in?
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As soon as I convince myself the death penalty isn't worth the trouble, or even a lesser punishment than making a guy sit in prison and stew on his crimes for his whole life, something like this happens and - absent insanity - makes me wish for a guy to be put on public display in a cage on the courthouse square, subject to thrown garbage, then publicly executed on television, nay TwitterTok.
I’m pondering a criminal justice system that has only 3 sentences for violent crimes - life, death, or indeterminate until rehabilitation. Drain the criminal swamp one way or the other.
Duh. "You people" never get your shots.
I notice you avoided the squirrel part though. I always suspected you were part of squirrel-anon. 🤣
Bots push all the conspiracy theories, Russian and Chinese and others. Bots pushed the narrative on both sides in Ferguson. Bots pushed birther and truther. And bots push replacement theory as well as anti-vaxx (both before and during COVID).
Americans love thinking they know something no one else knows, we eat up this crap.
Maybe all these bots serve to increase our collective immunity, making our society more stable in the long run. Putin just can’t win.
They should give him a fair trial and then hang him.
I notice TwentyIQ hasn't responded to this....Aw hell, let’s do it for fun … since you like to call people morons
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Is Tucker Carlson a "politician"?
OK. Honest question... I probably am exposed to more right wing lunacy than most of the right wing folks (sans Mas) on here, and I don't recall much ado on this case once it was established that he was a felon involved in a car chase. So what am I missing and what did I attempt to reframe? Did he have a manifesto?
Spell it out for me, and if I'm wrong I'll admit I'm wrong if you provide proof...
Meanwhile I don't believe I even posted in the thread I linked to, because I didn't feel I had anything of substance to add to the conversation. I was just struck by the hypocrisy of people attacking shooter and zeke over "incendiary language" and that favorite term of the WS crowd that for some unfathomable reason people who call themselves "non racist" have still managed to incorporate into their lexicon- "race baiting"...
(pause while I look up the thread, because I want to be accurate in my initial assessment. I had to take a break last night because I was getting so agitated that my blood pressure read hyper stage 2- 144/77...)
So I just went back and did a deeper dive on that thread, and I have to apologize and commend you. I didn't read thru all the thread last night, just found that a lot of the same people criticizing shooter and zeke here had no criticism for the incendiary posts in that thread. But I did find a post from you urging caution (fairly early on) so I need to omit you from the list of hypocrites and commend you for exercising caution.
So maybe your criticism of me here as "reframing" the scenario is accurate- I honestly don't know. But I do commend you for this...
"Is there rumors as to motive or am I missing something? I am not seeing anything other than a person of interest in custody.
Anything is possible at this point but there have been so many instances like this where conclusions get drawn early that end up not being 100% right.
Whoever is responsible should be dealt with...harshly."
Now you were sort of the lone voice/wilderness on the Right, so I'm not sure that absolves any of your like minded posters of hypocrisy. Again, I never posted in the thread, and stopped following it early on when the conspiracy theories started flying, so my knowledge of events was largely shaped by news reports. My understanding was that it stopped being a topic of interest on right wing sites (at least the ones the algorithm directs my way) when it became a mere crime instead of a deliberate hate crime. So since I don't really watch anything but sports on tv, it sort of disappeared from my stream of consciousness among all the other wingnut theories I hear about...
Too early posting missed on him being on the left as a white supremacist according to his posting. Being someone on the green party side and saying he is on the left. But yeah blame the right for the shooting as many on twitter. Quit putting all on the same side on this no matter what happens.
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Wait, bots pushed the Russian conspiracty theory?
To Aloha, you're now a Trumpster. Congratulations.
You were convinced the WI parade was some sort of "hate crime", and posted that theory pretty avidly in the 5 or 6 page thread. So I'm not grasping your post here...
Meanwhile a couple of videos from local news stations in Buffalo that I found interesting... They haven't conclusively tied him to this manifesto, but for someone just 18 yrs old this is mindboggling..."First off I kill the security guard"...
Then there's this video of a witness who actually sat and talked with the killer on Fri, during a likely recon mission for the kid who saw himself as a commando... Interesting that he mentions they discussed CRT...
The question I'm most intrigued by is if the witness hadn't decided not to take his usual spot and had in fact encountered the kid again on Sat, would the kid have killed him just hours after meeting him and having an hours long conversation with him? The Dylan Roof worshipping with his victims scenario redeux?
Link?
So if you're relying on this "article" from the Miami Standard, and his non-committal answer of "depending on the definition, sure" to the questions of "Am I right wing" and "Am I left wing" -then you're ignoring what he actually says his motivations are and who his heros are to maintain he's "on the left"...
Did you miss his answer that he "supported Neo-Nazis", or specifically mentioning his heros/role models as Brenton Tarrant, Dylan Roof, Patrick Crucius, Anders Breivek and John Earnest. All RIGTH wing devotees of the Replacement Theory, not a conservative tenet, an America First Trumpian tenet. He "trashed" conservatives? You mean how Trumpers trash conservatives like Liz Cheney and Romney?
You think people like Nick Fuentes, John Spencer and all their minions don't trash conservatives? Hell there are people on this board who refer to traditional conservatives like Cheney as RINOs... Do you see any traditional Conservatives who are anti-Trumper members of the GOP refer to Liz Cheney as a RINO? No this kid wasn't a Conservative, but he was sure as hell a pro-Trump 4 chan reading replacement theory espousing devotee...
Buffalo Shooter Described Himself as Left-Wing, Trashed Conservatism
Law enforcement officials have provided an update after a gunman shot and killed at least 10 people in an attack on a Buffalo area grocery store. The suspected shooter, who was taken into custody, described his political beliefs as “mild-moderate authoritarian left” in a manifesto reportedly...
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