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At least 10 dead in Buffalo shooting

DEI is a new patina on an old concept. The elites act like it’s a new thing.

Afirmative action, minority preferences, minority outreach, quotas, and more is all there and has been for years. I don’t care how much you wanna talk about DEI, if we don’t educate minorities, clean up their drug infested neighborhoods, and make lives safe, DEI in the ivory towers doesnt mean anything.
How do you define "elites"? Are wealthy pro-Trump politicians and Trump and his brood mutually exclusive to your definition of elites?
 
I don't see how in this case a guard with a gun hurt the situation. I did not read about the guard dying. Thx for the info.
The guard didn’t. No problem with security guards. The problem comes when untrained wanna be Rambos are all carrying.
 
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Sweetie, It's a message board. Anyone that spasticaly posts your doctrine like you do can expect to get responses. Jethro is too cute. If I used my name for you I would get in trouble.

You would be a lot better off to gain some self awareness vs the world according to Zeke mode you are always in.
It is indeed. But you bring my name up constantly even when I’m not involved in the conversation. You use your twelve year old acting emoji on every single post. You stalk me. Spastically has two l’s , Jethro. I don’t take life tips from Maga Morons, but thanks anyway. PS Can you link me to that cooking message board I should be on? I mean since you follow me everywhere maybe we could be best buds there too.
 
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It is indeed. But you bring my name up constantly even when I’m not involved in the conversation. You use your twelve year old acting emoji on every single post. You stalk me. Spastically has two l’s , Jethro. I don’t take life tips from Maga Morons, but thanks anyway. PS Can you link me to that cooking message board I should be on? I mean since you follow me everywhere maybe we could be best buds there too.
Sweety, you are just to much fun! Do you call students Jethro and Maga Morons that don't agree with you? I'm sure you can find a message board somewhere. I bet your co workers are counting down the days until summer break.
 
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How do you define "elites"? Are wealthy pro-Trump politicians and Trump and his brood mutually exclusive to your definition of elites?
I know one when I see one. You can spot elites by the arrogance and self-righteousness they leave in their wake. I can also tell an elite by their jargon, like diversity, equity and inclusion which is supposed to mean tolerance but is actually the opposite. Oh the latest. . . . (Drum roll) . . . . non-dairy milk. Elites super-glue body parts to Starbucks counters to protest the price., Did i mentioed self-absorbed?
 
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We found Outside Shooter on MSNBC



This loser academic literally said:


78% of murders between 2010 and 2018 were committed by white supremacists

 
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Liz Cheney rips GOP over the shooting:

“The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism. History has taught us that what begins with words ends in far worse. GOP leaders must renounce and reject these views and those who hold them.”
She's rehearsing for her next job as a TV commentator because she is toast in Wyoming. CNN and MSNBC love to have on "conservatives" who do nothing but bitch about conservatives. THE Harlem Globetrotters need their Washington Senators to play their part.

The guy was an admitted leftist who was a racist. This has nothing to do with "conservative" politics even though many want to keep injecting that into the conversation.
 
This loser academic literally said:


78% of murders between 2010 and 2018 were committed by white supremacists

He misspoke, badly.

The figure was compiled by the Antidefamation League, and it is that 78% of murders with an identified ideological motive were committed by persons affiliated or supporting white supremacist groups or ideology.

So that doesn't take into account drug deals gone bad, gang bangs, dometic violence murders, etc.

So he did misspeak rather severely. Or... lied, if you prefer (edit). That's one of the reasons I never watch MSNBC, except for Rachel Maddow on occasion, since she breaks so much news, with sources identified.
 
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He misspoke, badly.

The figure was compiled by the Antidefamation League, and it is that 78% of murders with an identified ideological motive were committed by persons affiliated or supporting white supremacist groups or ideology.

So that doesn't take into account drug deals gone bad, gang bangs, dometic violence murders, etc.

So he did misspeak rather severely. That's one of the reasons I never watch MSNBC, except for Rachel Maddow on occasion, since she breaks so much news, with sources identified.
In Newspeak, "lying" is now "misspoke".
 
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I can understand that. Let's say there were two others with guns how much worse would the outcome be? I feel very bad for the 10 who lost their lives. How could this realistically have had a better ending?
By strengthening gun control laws and not letting a mentally ill 18 year old legally own one.
 
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That problem is between your ears. There are no mass murders made worse because of your imagined problem. A few were actually stopped.
Oh really? You’re saying a “good guy with a gun” has never accidentally shot someone? Or that no one has ever been killed in cross fire?
 
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He misspoke, badly.

The figure was compiled by the Antidefamation League, and it is that 78% of murders with an identified ideological motive were committed by persons affiliated or supporting white supremacist groups or ideology.

So that doesn't take into account drug deals gone bad, gang bangs, dometic violence murders, etc.

So he did misspeak rather severely. Or... lied, if you prefer (edit). That's one of the reasons I never watch MSNBC, except for Rachel Maddow on occasion, since she breaks so much news, with sources identified.

I was surprised the host didn’t step in to correct him. I’ll give Erroll credit, he did issue an apology and correction
 
At least shooter admitted the guy was wrong. Some jackass on your side lies, and you can't even say that. Instead you try to get everyone to watch his dumb movie about the election.
Yeah, he only admitted it after it was pointed out to him.

He's too stupid to figure it out for himself.
 
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What exactly would strengthening gun control laws look like? What would it mean? The second part is very true. There has to be some mechanism where a mentally ill person or a felon can not get a gun.
That’s a good question that Democrats seldom answer. As usual, the Democrats would rather have the issue to campaign on than fix it. We have red flag, background, and other laws in place and we still have sociopathic nuts shooting up public places. Yet the Democrats clamor for even more control over ordinary people thinking that will stop nut jobs and kids in the hood shooting each other every day.

The only control that has a hope of being effective is to repeal federal immunity.
 
That’s a good question that Democrats seldom answer. As usual, the Democrats would rather have the issue to campaign on than fix it. We have red flag, background, and other laws in place and we still have sociopathic nuts shooting up public places. Yet the Democrats clamor for even more control over ordinary people thinking that will stop nut jobs and kids in the hood shooting each other every day.

The only control that has a hope of being effective is to repeal federal immunity.
The kid bought a gun in New York after seeing a psychiatrist.

Are people saying New York's gun laws aren't tough enough?

It doesn't matter how tough they are if the existing laws are not enforced. Kind of like the immigration laws.
 
That’s a good question that Democrats seldom answer. As usual, the Democrats would rather have the issue to campaign on than fix it. We have red flag, background, and other laws in place and we still have sociopathic nuts shooting up public places. Yet the Democrats clamor for even more control over ordinary people thinking that will stop nut jobs and kids in the hood shooting each other every day.

The only control that has a hope of being effective is to repeal federal immunity.
I have often thought that if they could guarantee that nobody would have any guns then it might make sense to just outlaw guns. But the government can't do that because if they outlawed guns in the entire country then criminals would just get them from other countries and smuggle them in like they do heroin. Therefore only criminals would have guns.
Any shooting is heart breaking. We prayed for those in Buffalo and the church in California where Taiwanese folks were killed. It was also heart breaking when that fellow in Waukeshaw Wisconsin who killed at least five with his car. Evil people or mentally ill people will find a way to lash out.
In this gun debate rarely is it spoken about how many lives are saved because of guns. How many women were saved from being raped or killed because she brandished a weapon and the rapist fled? How many elderly people have driven off those who would see them as an easy mark because they are old and can't fight? Zeke, did make a good point in this thread about making it harder for mentally ill people to get guns. This 18 yr old who killed those in Buffalo had a lot of known mental issues. He was on the radar of law enforcement. He should not have had access to guns.
 
In this gun debate rarely is it spoken about how many lives are saved because of guns.
Oh, it's been studied and discussed over and over and over again. People routinely view themselves as some sort of perfect decision-making superman, ready to save the day with their concealed weapon. In reality, even highly trained armed people, like police officers, make a lot of mistakes when under pressure.

I am not anti-gun in the least. I grew up using shotguns and rifles on a farm, and my Dad had a handgun that he taught me to shoot, too. That doesn't mean than anyone who wants an AR-15 ought to get one.

The sad and proven fact are that these are outomes of owning a gun, in order of likelihood, most to least.

1) Nothing really happens: you never use it to stop a crime and nobody is hurt or injured by it. If it's a weapon used for hunting or target practice, you get some occasional enjoyment out of ownership.
2) A near-miss accident makes you diligent and strive to better secure the weapon.
3) A situation arises where maybe you could have used the gun, but you don't have it, don't access it in time, or freeze.
4) The weapon is stolen.
5) A gun accident injures or kills you, a loved one, or a family member.
6) An attempted self-defense firing injures innocent bystanders.
7) Kate Upton invites you over to show her your guns and fulfill her needs.
8) You use it perfectly to save lives from marauding thugs and Boilermakers.
 
I know one when I see one. You can spot elites by the arrogance and self-righteousness they leave in their wake. I can also tell an elite by their jargon, like diversity, equity and inclusion which is supposed to mean tolerance but is actually the opposite. Oh the latest. . . . (Drum roll) . . . . non-dairy milk. Elites super-glue body parts to Starbucks counters to protest the price., Did i mentioed self-absorbed?
So it's only the elites you disagree with politically that fit your definition? Got it...
 
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