Allen was able to recruit the state better than Brohm

[td75]

Looking at Rivals listing of the top 15 in-state kids, IU signed the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rated players in the state. IU still has a shot at signing the number 1 player, David Bell.

As much grief as we've given Allen for being outmaneuvered by Jeff Brohm, we need to show Allen some love for his recruiting prowess. The man has a chance of actually signing 5 out of the top 6 in-state kids, and that's coming off the heels of two disappointing 5-7 seasons.

Man, I hope TA can get over that hump and go bowling because his recruiting could blow up if he can sell a bowl program. I think this proves that Indiana kids really do want to come here and build a winner. It's a more attractive destination than the bitter rival, Purdue.

 

[turney333]

Looking at Rivals listing of the top 15 in-state kids, IU signed the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rated players in the state. IU still has a shot at signing the number 1 player, David Bell.

As much grief as we've given Allen for being outmaneuvered by Jeff Brohm, we need to show Allen some love for his recruiting prowess. The man has a chance of actually signing 5 out of the top 6 in-state kids, and that's coming off the heels of two disappointing 5-7 seasons.

Man, I hope TA can get over that hump and go bowling because his recruiting could blow up if he can sell a bowl program. I think this proves that Indiana kids really do want to come here and build a winner. It's a more attractive destination than the bitter rival, Purdue.

Also, I think Karlaftis largely fell in Brohm's lap. I would guess that had he been from Indy, instead of WL , I doubt Brohm would would have landed him

 

[82hoosier]

Agreed, but I might have substituted “some” or “many of us” instead of “we”

 

[Bowlmania]

Looking at Rivals listing of the top 15 in-state kids, IU signed the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rated players in the state. IU still has a shot at signing the number 1 player, David Bell.

As much grief as we've given Allen for being outmaneuvered by Jeff Brohm, we need to show Allen some love for his recruiting prowess. The man has a chance of actually signing 5 out of the top 6 in-state kids, and that's coming off the heels of two disappointing 5-7 seasons.

Man, I hope TA can get over that hump and go bowling because his recruiting could blow up if he can sell a bowl program. I think this proves that Indiana kids really do want to come here and build a winner. It's a more attractive destination than the bitter rival, Purdue.

There's no question he can recruit. He's got to demonstrate, though, that he can get things done on fall Saturdays.

I'm pulling for him.

 

[82hoosier]

While this is arguably Indiana’s best class ever, at least on paper, it is way behind Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. So Indiana will likely be 20-point underdogs in some of the games. That is three losses. They have to beat Michigan State to have any chance at a winning season.

 

[td75]

While this is arguably Indiana’s best class ever, at least on paper, it is way behind Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. So Indiana will likely be 20-point underdogs in some of the games. That is three losses. They have to beat Michigan State to have any chance at a winning season.

Indiana really needs to beat Northwestern, it's in Bloomington and a huge game on next year's schedule. Also, if you look a little closer, I'd say the Michigan game will be circled by this staff. We usually play them pretty darn close and next year presents the perfect opportunity to finally break that embarrassing losing streak.

They need to go into the Bucket game with bowl eligibility already in hand. To do that, you would assume they must beat Northwestern at home.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I agree that Karlaftis was probably going to go to Purdue regardless of the coach (unless it was “Hat bill Hazell”). However, they will also likely land Bell, which makes the top two kids in the state, which would be unheard of during The Haze years.

I would like to think IU’s class and Purdue’s class are actually pretty close considering they don’t count the 4-star top QB and Juan Harris in the tabulation.

This is all just on paper, though. Rivals had Rondale Moore as a 5.7, 3-star and that kid looks ever bit of a 5-star.

Also, there is the attrition factor. How many kids will schools have fall off this year? We’re talking 18-22 year guys here who will walk away, get in trouble or flunk out.

As I said in another post, IU lost 23 kids over a 4 year recruiting due to a variety of reasons. That’s an entire recruiting class that was essentially flush down the toilet. It’s the equivalent of taking a year off from recruiting.

 

[YOTHN]

Brohm has done far better thus far on the field and in recruiting. But it’s only 2 years and TA is showing a great upward trend in recruiting. Hopefully he can catch Brohm at some point.

How do you say so? This is Brohm and Allen's third class and its the first time Brohm MIGHT beat him. That means Allen is 2-1 in that category. I get that you often times criticize IU at a PU fan type level but at least be honest about it. This year Brohm has 1 more four star and a couple extra 3 stars (so far) and that is what separates us from having an equal class this year.

Drink the black Kool-aid in moderation please.

 

[YOTHN]

George was not even considering Purdue before Brohm got there. You guys most be a little nervous Brohm decided to stay. You keep bringing Brohm up on here.

Says the kid on the IU fan forum....

How nervous must YOU be?

 

[td75]

Actually Indiana can match Purdue's 4* recruits when we put our QB transfer in there. Tuttle should be included with this class and he's a 5.9 4* kid. Tuttle would elevate our overall ranking if they included him like they should.

 

[Pigalow]

Who cares where recruits come from? I just want the best players. And TA has done a good job recruiting.

Imo we don’t need to create make believe challenges just so TA can beat Brohm at something. Let’s focus on the field.

Brohm has done far better thus far on the field and in recruiting. But it’s only 2 years and TA is showing a great upward trend in recruiting. Hopefully he can catch Brohm at some point.

Well, you're consistent, at least, in missing points. The obvious value to recruiting your own state successfully, is the potential & probability it creates to AGAIN recruit the state successfully in the future--it's a fact established over--oh Idk, FOREVER? That kids in general have a propensity to be more drawn to their in state school(s), for a variety of reasons, & that even in these times in which it is less prevalent than ever for kids to stay home. Yet it's STILL a valuable recruiting strategy to make hay in state. Capiche? Probably not.

 

[Pigalow]

Indiana really needs to beat Northwestern, it's in Bloomington and a huge game on next year's schedule. Also, if you look a little closer, I'd say the Michigan game will be circled by this staff. We usually play them pretty darn close and next year presents the perfect opportunity to finally break that embarrassing losing streak.

They need to go into the Bucket game with bowl eligibility already in hand. To do that, you would assume they must beat Northwestern at home.

Northwestern, MSU, Maryland, Nebraska, Purdue....we need to get to the point where we win at least a couple of those games regularly. You know, we need to play like a contender.

 

[YOTHN]

Dude, Bell will sign with Purdue and Cam Williams is a none-and-done (grades). Get your panties back on and calm down.

Thanks Purdue Pete.

 

[kmathum]

I'm not a Purdue fan. At the end of the day (LOI Day) IU was the only P5 school that had a offer on the table for 4-star LB Williams. No Mich St, no Illinois, no Louisville, no Iowa, no Kaintuck. What does that tell you?

you're not a purdue fan?

 

[Indianaftw]

While this is arguably Indiana’s best class ever, at least on paper, it is way behind Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. So Indiana will likely be 20-point underdogs in some of the games. That is three losses. They have to beat Michigan State to have any chance at a winning season.

Your correct BUT, In order to do this and compete with the osu's, psu's michy's and such you develop by playing youth and gaining experience. Are you going to compete every year with those guys, probably not. Every couple, 3 years if you have played and developed that youth and have a senior laden team it can be done. When you roll out those experienced seniors who have been in the weight room for 4 years and have gone through the battles thats when you can go in and make some noise. jmho

 

[IndyIUFan66]

How do you say so? This is Brohm and Allen's third class and its the first time Brohm MIGHT beat him. That means Allen is 2-1 in that category. I get that you often times criticize IU at a PU fan type level but at least be honest about it. This year Brohm has 1 more four star and a couple extra 3 stars (so far) and that is what separates us from having an equal class this year.

Drink the black Kool-aid in moderation please.

I agree “far better” is such a stretch. Two years, 1 7-point win is what separates IU a& PU. Last year IU played 14 FR, many who contributed nicely. Penix & now Tuttle, two 4-star QB’s, a 4-star OSU RB flip. No question IU did not have A-game for last two Bucket games, but I see very small gulf compared to Brohm is Bear Bryant 2.0 hype machine have you believe. Allen needs to keep evolving, I’ll say it. But he has a vision, intensity, & integrity that can get IU to next level of give him the time to recruit like he is and develop his team and staff. Predict he will be fine.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

Your correct BUT, In order to do this and compete with the osu's, psu's michy's and such you develop by playing youth and gaining experience. Are you going to compete every year with those guys, probably not. Every couple, 3 years if you have played and developed that youth and have a senior laden team it can be done. When you roll out those experienced seniors who have been in the weight room for 4 years and have gone through the battles thats when you can roll in and make some noise. jmho

Way IU is recruiting, if they get to 7-5, will step up more, could lead to 8-4, and they could crack getting a 5-star player. It takes time and yes results. But coaches look a lot smarter with 4-star QB & RB’s and defense Witt depth and experience. It’s coming down the pike.

 

[Indianaftw]

Way IU is recruiting, if they get to 7-5, will step up more, could lead to 8-4, and they could crack getting a 5-star player. It takes time and yes results. But coaches look a lot smarter with 4-star QB & RB’s and defense Witt depth and experience. It’s coming down the pike.

I agree...

But as others have said and myself. The shooting ourselves in the foot sh!t has to stop! Big 3rd down conversion...penalty, Score a TD, give up one on special teams right after, Big run down the field...holding. Thats the stuff that kills me. The stupid drive killing, game killing mistakes. Thats coaching!

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I'm not a Purdue fan. At the end of the day (LOI Day) IU was the only P5 school that had a offer on the table for 4-star LB Williams. No Mich St, no Illinois, no Louisville, no Iowa, no Kaintuck. What does that tell you?

I think IU will be able to help the kid through school just like many of the schools you mention on your list.
You think Kentucky doesn’t have kids that struggle in class? Hell, that’s been the majority of their basketball program since Cal has been there.

Louisville and Michigan State? Really?
They take kids all the time that are very marginal students. That’s the hallmark of their recruiting classes.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I get that. And I love the improvement in recruiting Indiana. It makes sense given Allen has a long history in the state as a HS coach and Brohm has no ties. But at the end of the day give me a 4 star kid from Ohio or Illinois all day over a 3 star from IN. Indiana isn’t exactly a hotbed for football talent. Just get the best players we can regardless of location.

So, you’re saying that a 3 star WR outside of Indiana is on par with Bell? He’s from Indiana, so he’s overrated.

 

[Indianaftw]

I get that. And I love the improvement in recruiting Indiana. It makes sense given Allen has a long history in the state as a HS coach and Brohm has no ties. But at the end of the day give me a 4 star kid from Ohio or Illinois all day over a 3 star from IN. Indiana isn’t exactly a hotbed for football talent. Just get the best players we can regardless of location.

Indiana football is pretty decent..I'll take solid MIC kids any day! The MIC has been consistently one of the top 10 high school conferences in the country the last 10 years. There have been many, many times when Warren, BD, Carmel, and Center Grove have been in the top 100 and a few times they were all there together! You can be a good football team from anywhere in the state, roll in to the playoffs, play a MIC team and get your a$$ handed to ya!

 

[DANC]

I'm not a Purdue fan. At the end of the day (LOI Day) IU was the only P5 school that had a offer on the table for 4-star LB Williams. No Mich St, no Illinois, no Louisville, no Iowa, no Kaintuck. What does that tell you?

It tells me he wanted to play in-state at either IU or Purdue and decided to go to IU after he visited there.

He'd probably already been to the Purdue campus unofficially and was thanking God he didn't have to pick them.

 

[fkfootball]

He is a F*O*U*R star linebacker with only ONE P5 offer. Do you understand why?

Academics. But that doesnt mean he wont qualify.

 

[Charlesroast]

I'm not a Purdue fan. At the end of the day (LOI Day) IU was the only P5 school that had a offer on the table for 4-star LB Williams. No Mich St, no Illinois, no Louisville, no Iowa, no Kaintuck. What does that tell you?

It tells me if he plays in the B1G next year it will be for IU.
It suggests to me several things including:
Sadly, your perceived importance is so low your need to repeatedly trash an 18 year old kid,
Jeff Brohm either didn’t realize or care that Williams may not qualify until about 2 weeks before signing day, or he decided instead to take a committment from a LB willing to take a greyshirt.

 

[Crazy8]

Way IU is recruiting, if they get to 7-5, will step up more, could lead to 8-4, and they could crack getting a 5-star player. It takes time and yes results. But coaches look a lot smarter with 4-star QB & RB’s and defense Witt depth and experience. It’s coming down the pike.

I hope you’re right, but when is the last time we had a winning record?

 

[IndySouthsider]

I hope you’re right, but when is the last time we had a winning record?

2007.

Also once in 24 years

 

[Crazy8]

2007.

Also once in 24 years

With our non-conference schedule and this strong recruiting class, we should match that next year.

 

[Crazy8]

The one that was 10th best in B1G

Exactly. If our recruits pan out, it just gets better from here.

 

[DANC]

He is a F*O*U*R star linebacker with only ONE P5 offer. Do you understand why?

It tells me Linebacker wasn't a position of need for most P5 schools that had a reasonable chance at him. It tells me he wanted to stay close to home and turned other schools off early.

My theory is as good as yours. If you read his interview, you'd know he's no dunce.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

I hope you’re right, but when is the last time we had a winning record?

When’s the last time we had 4-star QB’s & RB at same time? Orr LB & CB? In 2 recruiting classes we are adding legit pieces finally, and hence it’s taking a bit of time but depth and talent start making coaches smarter. Wait for it!

 

[Pigalow]

I get that. And I love the improvement in recruiting Indiana. It makes sense given Allen has a long history in the state as a HS coach and Brohm has no ties. But at the end of the day give me a 4 star kid from Ohio or Illinois all day over a 3 star from IN. Indiana isn’t exactly a hotbed for football talent. Just get the best players we can regardless of location.

Well that goes without saying that we need to best players possible regardless of location, but the fact that there are relatively few outstanding players annually in Indiana goes both ways in regards to your argument: naturally, you must be able to recruit outside the state, but being few gems in the state means they are precious, & being able to rely on snagging a couple of them annually is gold, because we sure as hell aren't going to be able to rely on any other location on a regular basis(this Tampa thing is cute & all, but let's not kid ourselves. We're getting 3rd & 4th options amongst the big boys down there).

 

[Pigalow]

He is a F*O*U*R star linebacker with only ONE P5 offer. Do you understand why?

No. We have no clue, not smart enough to figure it out. Like some people aren't smart enough to figure out that it's worth the gamble, & not even a risk really, for a struggling program to take a shot with an academic casualty. Let me axe you a question: Why. TF. Not? From IU's perspective? What is there to lose?

 

[Crazy8]

No. We have no clue, not smart enough to figure it out. Like some people aren't smart enough to figure out that it's worth the gamble, & not even a risk really, for a struggling program to take a shot with an academic casualty. Let me axe you a question: Why. TF. Not? From IU's perspective? What is there to lose?

He’s worth a scholly. He might pan out and be a star.

 

[Pigalow]

Way IU is recruiting, if they get to 7-5, will step up more, could lead to 8-4, and they could crack getting a 5-star player. It takes time and yes results. But coaches look a lot smarter with 4-star QB & RB’s and defense Witt depth and experience. It’s coming down the pike.

I hope so, but I gotta' say, 82hoosier had a point: the harsh reality right now is that you can pencil in 3 or even 4 losses right off the bat for us every year, & when you look at next years schedule, where are 6 wins? We have 5 roadies in conference, & if we don't improve significantly in the off season, we'll lose all 5 & go at best 5-7, likely 4-8, & the program's recruiting progress(which to me is valuable & worth sustaining)will be in real jeopardy, because the coaching staff will be in jeopardy. I do NOT want to start over, but in the back of my mind, I know there's at least a 50/50 shot that it will happen within the next 3 years. We need realignment in the B1G in the worst way.

 

[Crazy8]

I hope so, but I gotta' say, 82hoosier had a point: the harsh reality right now is that you can pencil in 3 or even 4 losses right off the bat for us every year, & when you look at next years schedule, where are 6 wins? We have 5 roadies in conference, & if we don't improve significantly in the off season, we'll lose all 5 & go at best 5-7, likely 4-8, & the program's recruiting progress(which to me is valuable & worth sustaining)will be in real jeopardy, because the coaching staff will be in jeopardy. I do NOT want to start over, but in the back of my mind, I know there's at least a 50/50 shot that it will happen within the next 3 years. We need realignment in the B1G in the worst way.

Yeah. The schedule is tough. We could go anywhere from 3-9 to 6-6. I hope we don’t have to play Purdue at 5-6.

 

[Wyohoosier1]

Here’s the difference between Brohm and Allen in my opinion. Purdue had a strong armed accurate quarterback. We have in Ramsey a great kid, but his inability to go deep consistently killed us in the end. Brohm has won 2 more regular season games than Allen. Brohm isn’t lightning the world on fire. Allen is building the depth we’ve always lacked. It’s going pay off big time. Be patient!

 

[destewart]

Here’s the difference between Brohm and Allen in my opinion. Purdue had a strong armed accurate quarterback. We have in Ramsey a great kid, but his inability to go deep consistently killed us in the end. Brohm has won 2 more regular season games than Allen. Brohm isn’t lightning the world on fire. Allen is building the depth we’ve always lacked. It’s going pay off big time. Be patient!

The importance of coaching clearly demonstrated
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/david-blough-1.html

 

[coachv jr]

arizona is not a p5 school? he had their hat on the table. according to 247 he had offers from syracuse, unc, boston college, kentucky and yes...purdue

 

[Courtsensetwo]

The importance of coaching clearly demonstrated
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/david-blough-1.html

Well...coaching and the presence of RM as a dual threat.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

arizona is not a p5 school? he had their hat on the table. according to 247 he had offers from syracuse, unc, boston college, kentucky and yes...purdue

But remember "the rule of Ord". It clearly states..."when IU lands a highly rated player...by definition...all other P5 offers have been pulled". You didn't know this?