3 Americans soldiers killed and 25 wounded in Jordan
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If there were, it was when we were fighting ISIS - a fight certainly not started under Trump. But he ended it.
These are deaths caused by Iranian proxies. Don't continue to be stupid, now that the truth has been pointed out to you.
No they're not. They're trying to get a bill passed to protect our border and Ukraine.
How many were killed in Syrian with Iranian provided weapons under Trump? (6) Niger? (4); Yemen? (2); Somalia (1); Afghanistan? (65).
It would be absurd to blame Trump or anyone else for tragic loss of life. The man is one of the biggest con men who walked the face of the earth. A man who needs approval and reinforcement at every turn, who talks a better game than he plays. Hyperactive, emotional and spoiled. But he didn't kill those troops any more than Bush, Biden, Clinton, Reagan, etc.
You state: "it's the fact that Iran has the impression it can kill Americans with impunity". Says who? How do you know this to be true? It appears that many are simply trying to connect dots between an event and perceived conclusion generated by political motivations. That won't do. And please let us not point the fake concept of appeasement and the 5 billion that is held in escrow that was already Iran's oil money and hasn't been released. I find it truly remarkable that people continue to use words like "Appeasement" and "Genocide", without any context of what those words truly mean. If anyone wants to know what they truly mean, read Richard Evan's trilogy on the rise and fall of the Nazis.
Nevertheless, using your logic, one could easily make the conclusion of all: Islamic fascists had no respect for Reagan. After all, they killed a helluva lot of marines in Beirut and what did we do? Nothing. Not a single thing. Clearly, Reagan was weak and the Islamic fascists knew it......DWS.
Why do things happen the way they do in the middle east? Because that region has been a disaster for 100 plus years. I feel comfortable relying upon the fact that the most volatile region in the world does not want a lick of American presence. Period.
I'm not a Biden guy. I'm a moderate guy who eschews idiocy on both sides of the aisle. Plenty of that to go around.
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Hitchens in the avatar. I'm touching myself.
I have a rudimentary understanding of middle east affairs but if i could some up my understanding it would be this sentence.
I think it’s true because we have come under Iranian-sponsored attacks 150 times after October 7. Peasants in Yemen are using sophisticated ballistic missiles to disrupt U.S. and international shipping. Our response was first nothing, then talking, then tepid, and now proportional. Rule #1 is if you want to quell violence, the response must be immediate, significant, and even overwhelming.
The temporal relationship between Biden’s policy of leniency and appeasement towards Iran and Iranian violence is obvious, so obvious there is cause and effect.
Thomas Jefferson rejected this almost 250 years ago. The ME problems are not about us. It’s them. Muslims fight each other as much or more than they fight infidels. There was a time about 100 years ago when Muslims, Christians, and Jews coexisted in relative peace. What’s changed? Not the Christmas and Jews.
That is some circular logic with a built in invitation to tautology. Of course, if you accept the fact every non physical response is simply leniency, then of course it most be true that Biden is lenient. That is rubbish.
Your statement of: "Rule #1 is if you want to quell violence, the response must be immediate, significant, and even overwhelming" is an antiquated world view that is entirely not how the middle east reacts. At all. We have more than enough events to show that Islamic fascism never rests and never wearies and never forgets. Driven by the desire to rid the world of the Infidel, Islamic fascism is without any comparison in the world. Millions and millions were brainwashed by "the Great Satan". Millions and Millions were brainwashed by the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan and the perceived unrelenting support of Israel. They will not capitulate, they will not stop and they never will. The British and French learned their lesson. We seemingly cannot learn from past mistakes.
This situation has nothing to do with appeasement and everything to do with (1) our physical presence in the middle east; and (2) our support and financing of Israel to the detriment of the Palestinians. Why not take the word of the intelligence sources of the world and in that region who say "you won't ever stop the Houthis and you won't stop the flow of arms from Iran into these rebel territories." The reality of Israel's response to Hamas is that there will be two more generations of Islamic fascists that are born from these events. I don't have any problems with Israel responding by they way, but at some point it must stop. See lesson 1: the fascists never forget and never forgive.
If you want to attack Iran fine, do so, but it won't stop the Houthis and it won't stop the flow of other arms. The destabilization of that region does nothing more than led to worse consequences. ISIS, etc. And then there will be worse consequences than ISIS. So ask yourself, given the nature of that region, what is that actually CAN be accomplished versus what you WANT to see accomplished.
If Biden struck at Iran 6 months ago, the right wing would have gone nuts--much in the same way a very sizeable portion of the right did when we actually responded with strikes two weeks or so ago. I would imagine that the same result would flow if Trump were president, and he did the same-the hard left would throw out the same babblespeak.
Social media is truly the bane of all existence. It amplifies everything to absurd levels of nonsense (like the throwing around the word "genocide" without a lick of understanding about what it means). The funny thing is, where was everyone when Milosevic was slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people? Nobody cared for 2 years.
I also find it insane that people only get their news from one source---the fox side or the CNN side. I do neither--I much prefer the Economist for a balanced approach that leads me read the facts and go for there.
Bottom line here: there is no such thing as appeasement. It is a word thrown around by mental midgets who simply deal in platitudes and politics.
Doesn't matter who it is about. Rather, it is the existence of the situation that matters. I presume you are referring to the Barbary pirates deal and the taking of European and American sailors (the british sailors since the 1600s). If memory is correct, when Jefferson was secretary of state, he traveled to Paris with John Adams (I think), and met with an ambassador from the ottoman regions (tripoli algiers), and Jefferson wrote a letter about the ambassador said, which was something like the ambassador saying "the koran tell us that you are infidels, and we have every right to take your ships and men". Hence, the treaty of Tripoli which specifically included the language that the United States was not based upon the Christian Religion. When he became president, he sent ships to attack Tripoli. In conjunctions with the Swedes and Naples on water, and with 500 mercenaries, they captured Derna in Tripoli. The peace treaty included the paying of the local Sultan a huge sum of money for the release of prisoners. That worked for a bit--until it didn't and the pirating continued...
The argument you are making is well the Christians and Jews didn't change ergo it must be the Muslims fault. Even assuming that is true (and you ignore the massive immigration of Jews into Palestine in 1920s), it doesn't change the fact that middle east is a powder keg on top of grenades and 20 billion gallons of oil.
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I’d bet a bitcoin Biden can’t play a game of checkers at this point
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But yet he has his hands on everything
can't have your cake and eat it too if you want to pretend he's the mastermind behind all that is wrong.
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As I explained, Trump inherited the war on terror and he defeated ISIS. Unfortunately, troops were killed, but they were being killed when he became President and he stopped it.
That's different from ignoring over 100 attacks on US basis and doing very little about it. It was predicted US deaths would happen if we didn't do something about it and Biden ignored it.
I'm not arguing Reagan - he was weak for not responding to that. Stick to the issue at hand and stop trying to play gotcha.
According to manchin it’s the far far left people he has surrounded himself with 😉. You know more than manchin? To an outsider reviewing policy I’d say the majority of Biden’s bs would evidence manchin is rightBut yet he has his hands everything
'His tragedy is that he became what he had despised – a living and ignominious satire upon himself'
Christopher Hitchens: from socialist to neocon
'His tragedy is that he became what he had despised – a living and ignominious satire upon himself', writes Richard Seymour
"To be able," wrote the late Christopher Hitchens, "to bray that 'as a liberal, I say bomb the shit out of them,' is to have achieved that eye-catching, versatile marketability that is so beloved of editors and talk-show hosts. As a life-long socialist, I say don't let's bomb the shit out of them. See what I mean? It lacks the sex appeal, somehow. Predictable as hell." That was in 1985.
In 2002, he took a different view of the matter. As long as the bombs were hitting the bad guys, then "it's pretty good because those steel pellets will go straight through somebody and out the other side and through somebody else … They'll be dead, in other words."
Predictable as hell or not, this transfiguration placed Hitchens (pictured in 1978) in a recognisable category: the left-wing defector with a soft-spot for empire........"
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Heard today that we thought the drones coming in were ours, coming back from a mission.
Which probably means they have tapped into our comms and figured out when would be the best time to sneak through.
That's unsettling, to say the least.
Joe is rubbing off on his staff. Can we get anyone that speaks coherently in this administration? Or do they honestly not even understand what is going on?
Clown show from day one with this admin
Maybe you are confused. McConnell sent Langford to negotiate such a deal. But it has no chance in the House and likely won't even move in the Senate
All because their daddy told them no, the POS that he is, for his own political purposes.
McConnell bedeviled as Trump, GOP move goalposts on border
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) has made supporting the war in Ukraine a signature policy priority, but his efforts have been complicated by fellow Republicans, including former Pres…
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Tip-toeing around...trying to not offend...
Just call them "grunts" for fuxks sake...their families would at least respect you then.
The House was negotiating a bill to fund Ukraine and control illegal immigration. The Senate wouldn't accept it because they didn't want anything that would enforce border control.Maybe you are confused. McConnell sent Langford to negotiate such a deal. But it has no chance in the House and likely won't even move in the Senate
All because their daddy told them no, the POS that he is, for his own political purposes.
McConnell bedeviled as Trump, GOP move goalposts on border
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) has made supporting the war in Ukraine a signature policy priority, but his efforts have been complicated by fellow Republicans, including former Pres…
You probably don't remember because you didn't hear it on MSNBC.
