So, let me see if I'm reading you correctly:
Trumpism isn't accurate imo. You could arguably say MAGA is the cult. Or whatever it is that Trump was able to tap into, that set of values, mores, and other trappings that to stereotype "you know one when you see one" is the actual "cult." So that sadly, when Trump rides off into the wilderness, that cult won't be gone. It won't die with him. It'll just be waiting for the next torchbearer to pick it up. It's not the leader that's indispensable; it's the values, mores, and other trappings. And none of it matters. It's only an opinion. But I don't think it's Trump for most; it's what I said. It's also why many of the Q type were Bernie Sanders followers.
Which one you said? The one where you said Trumpism was a "cult of ideology no different than that of the wokesters" or the one where you said it's not? You led with that you like to say wokesters are a cult because they are, so this point has been sort of hard to track.
"Trumpism" - the verbiage is getting you confused. and i've not been clear. we can eliminate the word trump or trumpism and call it a sect of the conservative party. This is from a lefty publication and long and I don't agree with a lot of what's written but it does a nice job of getting at my central point re the cult around Trump that isn't actually about Trump and has been around before Trump and will be when he's gone. The wokesters and the adherents of this conservative cult share a lot traits, albeit polar. Together they are doing terrible things to the country
newrepublic.com
Why sadly? It seems those values worked pretty well when Trump was President.
Because both cults represent extremes. I think many of the policies were in spite of or ancillary to the negative values of the cult. In some ways, and I think there's more to it, one cult wants to ignore or even subjugate certain peoples/identities while the other wants to make them the thrust behind everything
What is extreme about Trump or whatever you think that cult is?
You said Trump represents the 'cult' - not that he is the cult.
C'mon, Murt, that article is 2 years old and is another hit piece.
There's naturally overlap because everything involves a multitude of issues. But the white nationalism that's prevalent in the far right, and the ideologies set forth in the article are in keeping with the cult ideology. Your point supports how it's not just about trump. And the fact that it's from 2 years ago is immaterial. It predates trump. Anyway. It's too much for a quick hit forum and I'm watching stranger things and not going to flesh it all out now
There are militant fringes in every group. It's not fair to point out the 'far right' without mentioning the racism of the far left, which is out to get whitey.
I don't agree, political campaigns are more about timing than anything else. It's easy to say DeSantis could wait it out until 2028, but we don't even know if he'll have the same momentum come 2024 much less 2028. Assuming he wins this fall, what if he loses in 2026? What if the Democrats get their shit together and run some Obama-like political powerhouse in 2028 instead of the horse food DeSantis would be likely to face in 2024? That's a a major blow to any campaign hopes.
If he wins in 2022 and runs for Prez in 2028, I doubt he runs for Gov in 2026.
Almost half of Republicans believe Trump won in 2020. The Big Lie is what's doing real harm to America.
Do I need to put you on ignore? The Big Lie is what's doing real harm to America? Really? Not violent crime in every city? Not gas prices? Not grocery prices? Not a thousand and one other things? I just read this morning about two companies that have been in existence over 50 years here that are closing shop given current conditions. But to you It's the Big Lie. What a Fing moron you are. November will be an absolute bloodbath.
I don't take it for granted that Trump would win or that a contested primary would spell doom in the general. It's just a matter of whether DeSantis has the balls. Kemp just molly whopped Perdue. In head to head polling DeSantis is surging. He would need a small field to consolidate the anti-trump GOP vote, but he could do it.
Gullibility…more specifically, “gulli-hillbillity.
I think you realize how close we were to losing our Democracy on 1/6, right? Democracy was hanging by a thread!
How tiny would your brain have to be with all the shit facing America right now to think it's The Big LIe that's doing America real harm
Who give a F. He's posting on a basketball forum. That belief doesn't impact crime; doesn't impact inflation; doesn't impact any of the things making life really hard for every day people. It impacts Cheney and Kinzinger and the vendetta crowd in Washington living in a bubble and the 350,000 viewers glued to cnn for their evening brainwashing. A poll from Pew was posted by JDB or someone yesterday contrasting what media like CNN care about versus what actual people care about. I know where you fit.
Yeah, you're the guy who thinks 1/6 is the main issue today.
Nothing we haven't overcome before. Losing faith in democracy is a crack in the foundation.
Obviously he will play this up. I have no doubt he's purposely kept out of raising personal money for just this reason.
There is nothing shoo-in about a 2024 Trump nomination. He had the highest negatives is the history of the POTUS.
His wife wants him to run too.
200k in checking/savings?
I don't either, but I honestly don't want people to sit out just because Trump sucks so much oxygen out of everything. Trump running again is just a rehash of all of this. There is a better option on the table in Desantis who can pull both the Trump voter and the more establishment voter.
