WVU Fans are Butthurt

[Pryght]

I get it, the Mountaineers have had a rough week. First, they miss out on the tournament. Then, their "elite" first-year coach leaves without giving them a chance to counteroffer. Then their best returning player leaves after only playing 8 games.

Just wait until DeVries raids the WVU roster and two-thirds of their 4-star recruiting class....

Former Mountaineer, Pat McAfee, described DeVries as public enemy #1 in West Virginia. It's only going to get worse.

I'm not going to lie, after watching this video, along with yesterday's press conference held by WVU's AD, I feel a little bit bad for them. That said, the 6M buyout check we are sending WVU should help them hire a good coach.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

They are claiming DeVries didn’t speak to his players before he left. The AD also said he wouldn’t even talk to him about a new deal. Said he never even spoke or considered Iowa at all. It was IU the whole time.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Could only take ten minutes of those three cheese sandwiches. The dude on the left remindes me of the SNL NPR skits.

 

[kkott]

They are claiming DeVries didn’t speak to his players before he left. The AD also said he wouldn’t even talk to him about a new deal. Said he never even spoke or considered Iowa at all. It was IU the whole time.

Hope that's not true. A coach should always try and meet with his team; owes them that. Wouldn't surprise me if WVU wouldn't let him though. They are a butthurt group of fans!

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Hope that's not true. A coach should always try and meet with his team; owes them that. Wouldn't surprise me if WVU wouldn't let him though. They are a butthurt group of fans!

Could be.

 

[mohoosier]

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I get it, the Mountaineers have had a rough week. First, they miss out on the tournament. Then, their "elite" first-year coach leaves without giving them a chance to counteroffer. Then their best returning player leaves after only playing 8 games.

Just wait until DeVries raids the WVU roster and two-thirds of their 4-star recruiting class....

Former Mountaineer, Pat McAfee, described DeVries as public enemy #1 in West Virginia. It's only going to get worse.

I'm not going to lie, after watching this video, along with yesterday's press conference held by WVU's AD, I feel a little bit bad for them. That said, the 6M buyout check we are sending WVU should help them hire a good coach.

What coach in his right mind would have said no to Indiana and stayed at WVU? That’s all I got on this one.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Hope that's not true. A coach should always try and meet with his team; owes them that. Wouldn't surprise me if WVU wouldn't let him though. They are a butthurt group of fans!

I agree. It would be interesting if what the AD said wasn't true. It would mean he was more about besmirching CDD's character instead of telling the truth.

 

[iubhounds]

They are claiming DeVries didn’t speak to his players before he left. The AD also said he wouldn’t even talk to him about a new deal. Said he never even spoke or considered Iowa at all. It was IU the whole time.

If that happened it would not be the first time a coach did that to his team, still not a good thing to do. Is WV on spring break? Maybe the whole team was not on campus the past couple of days? Just guessing. What I read the AD and he did talk about a new deal but CDD did not want to sign it. Much like UofWashington and DeBoer. From the press conference yesterday it sounds like Dolson and DeVries had a deal lined up, verbally or otherwise right after Woodson "retired?".

Yet that is life in big boy sports of college football and college basketball. It is a brutal world when you sit and wait. Time is of the essence, especially with an early Transfer Portal this year. I like everything that is happened. Now sit and wait to see who is on the team next year.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I listened to 20 minutes of it, thought they were very complimentary of Devries. and made good points on why he left.

 

[Seyton]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

 

[kkott]

From the press conference yesterday it sounds like Dolson and DeVries had a deal lined up, verbally or otherwise right after Woodson "retired?".

I listened to DD's portion of the PC twice and never got that impression. What made you think it was that early? You sure you're not buying into what some of the WVU haters are selling? All I heard him say was that during the discussions, IU was respectful of the fact he still had a team to coach. That to me would mean it likely was pretty recently, but before they were snubbed and knew they weren't accepting other bids. I would guess SD was putting out feelers for awhile, beginning around CMW's "announced retirement".

 

[iubhounds]

OP ... thanks for posting that video ... good info, enjoyed it.

 

[kkott]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

Where are you guys getting ideas on the timeframe of discussions? Again, what I heard was that during conversations IU was respectful of the fact that he still had a team to coach. That was as recently as Sunday night. Goodman said he met w SD just after Woodson's announcement and talked about the characteristics of a coach he would be looking for and Goodman said he mentioned JTO. That was around Feb 6th I think. So, yes, it wouldn't surprise me if SD was compiling a list of possible candidates, as early as the beginning or mid season and maybe putting out feelers for "would you be interested if we had an opening?" I took DD's comments to reference recent discussions, like in the last 2-3 weeks. My personal guess is that he met with SD and PW sometime after WVU was eliminated from the B12 tourney. That's not underhanded, imo. Wade just announced he's taking the NC St job and still has a team in the tourney.

 

[toastedbread]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

It's pro sports now. Has been for awhile. Ethics don't mean a thing. "Student" athletes.

 

[GR8IUFAN]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

That timing doesn't seem to work. He was shut down after 8 games. That puts it in December, long before anything was going on with IU and CMW.

 

[Seyton]

Where are you guys getting ideas on the timeframe of discussions? Again, what I heard was that during conversations IU was respectful of the fact that he still had a team to coach. That was as recently as Sunday night. Goodman said he met w SD just after Woodson's announcement and talked about the characteristics of a coach he would be looking for and Goodman said he mentioned JTO. That was around Feb 6th I think. So, yes, it wouldn't surprise me if SD was compiling a list of possible candidates, as early as the beginning or mid season and maybe putting out feelers for "would you be interested if we had an opening?" I took DD's comments to reference recent discussions, like in the last 2-3 weeks. My personal guess is that he met with SD and PW sometime after WVU was eliminated from the B12 tourney. That's not underhanded, imo. Wade just announced he's taking the NC St job and still has a team in the tourney.

West Virginia fans think IU was talking to him directly or indirectly since late November and the Battle for Atlantis - so before the Woodson announcement. So, the thought is IU and Devries had a deal done and freed IU to announce Woodson's "retirement". Now, that's all normal course of business. That's just how it works and everybody knows that. And while West Virigina's fans are upset by that what they're really upset about is the possibility that Devries, knowing that he has a deal done with IU, shut down Tucker so that he could come to IU with him when he really could have come back and played. They also are hot about the beat down they took from Colorado in the first round of the Big12 tournament, speculating that Devries was distracted and/or tuned out.

 

[Seyton]

That timing doesn't seem to work. He was shut down after 8 games. That puts it in December, long before anything was going on with IU and CMW.

The Battle for Atlantis was in late November and he was shut down a week later.

 

[iubhounds]

Everyone ... you need to listen to that video at the original post. Two of those guys traveled with the team, was with the coach a lot with one on one conversation. Has a lot of good information. It blows all the conspiracy theories away.

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

I have to admit I was naive that the “interviewing” process would take place while the coaching candidate was still coaching his current team. But someone on here mentioned the other day, that’s how it has to happen. After seeing the presser, Dolson mentioned that it was a process that didn’t just happen overnight.
It’s just like any other business. It takes time if you want to do things right.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

the Battle for Atlantis was the end of Woodson, Devries being there probably helped his case, Dolson had to ask himself wtf are we doing.

 

[IUHoopster]

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I get it, the Mountaineers have had a rough week. First, they miss out on the tournament. Then, their "elite" first-year coach leaves without giving them a chance to counteroffer. Then their best returning player leaves after only playing 8 games.

Just wait until DeVries raids the WVU roster and two-thirds of their 4-star recruiting class....

Former Mountaineer, Pat McAfee, described DeVries as public enemy #1 in West Virginia. It's only going to get worse.

I'm not going to lie, after watching this video, along with yesterday's press conference held by WVU's AD, I feel a little bit bad for them. That said, the 6M buyout check we are sending WVU should help them hire a good coach.

Listening to this and also reading Iowa posts about DD, two themes reoccur: DD is a hard working, good coach; second, if you are a Hoosier fan over 50, your recollection of IU as a program is far different than anyone else in the college bball world over the last 30 years. The truth continues to hurt.

 

[Pryght]

The AD also said he wouldn’t even talk to him about a new deal. Said he never even spoke or considered Iowa at all. It was IU the whole time.

The AD said that DeVries and himself (WVU AD) had multiple discussions throughout the season, so DeVries knew that he was going to get a big pay raise as well as more money from NIL and revenue sharing. But once IU made their offer known, WVU's AD was not given a chance to counteroffer.

I think WVU could have come close in salary to 5M (I think Huggins made close to that at WVU), but the nearly 8M in NIL would be too difficult to achieve/maintain.

 

[mohoosier]

the Battle for Atlantis was the end of Woodson, Devries being there probably helped his case, Dolson had to ask himself wtf are we doing.

Dolson did mention that tourney experience in the presser, not sure what he was thinking, but most of us were definitely asking wtf are we doing?

 

[TDHoosier]

There's no doubt that IU was in contact with Devries early on in the year. Zero doubt. That's unseemly but that is 100% how it works for both coaches and players. And if you tell a school to wait until after the season to talk to them you're not getting that job. Period. I get why West Virginia fans are upset by that but that's unfortunately how it works.

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

I am very surprised that Darian even mentioned the fact that we were respectful of contacting him during his season, etc. That opened the floodgates. Even though it's widely known you don't say it out loud.

During the season means nothing, 99% it was probably in February and the shutting Tucker down had already been established. Timelines just do not line up on all the this happened because this happened stuff.

 

[CG Paul]

WVU, and their fans, need something positive to focus on right now, like hiring a new coach.

Agree, they had a really bad week. And we all know how things can spiral on social media, that is certainly happening. It doesn’t have to be true to complain about it.

The fact that IU and WVU were the first two teams left out of the tournament is quite the irony.

 

[BA47591]

Listening to this and also reading Iowa posts about DD, two themes reoccur: DD is a hard working, good coach; second, if you are a Hoosier fan over 50, your recollection of IU as a program is far different than anyone else in the college bball world over the last 30 years. The truth continues to hurt.

I definitely think there were 2 different versions of "we have to get this one right" out there. After so many years of being a floundering program being a sought after job meant something different for sure. We will be better than the last 10 years. We won't be embarrassing. We have a chance to climb towards relevance again. We shall see.

 

[mohoosier]

The AD said that DeVries and himself (WVU AD) had multiple discussions throughout the season, so DeVries knew that he was going to get a big pay raise as well as more money from NIL and revenue sharing. But once IU made their offer known, WVU's AD was not given a chance to counteroffer.

I think WVU could have come close in salary to 5M (I think Huggins made close to that at WVU), but the nearly 8M in NIL would be too difficult to achieve/maintain.

This has been a consistent theme for the past year or so - the Big 12 coaches are sitting ducks, due to the financial positioning of the SEC and Big 10 programs. It was a matter of time and it wouldn’t surprise me to see more of them fall as more positions open. It’s just not a fair playing field when you are a CEO of a competing entity.

 

[CG Paul]

The AD said that DeVries and himself (WVU AD) had multiple discussions throughout the season, so DeVries knew that he was going to get a big pay raise as well as more money from NIL and revenue sharing. But once IU made their offer known, WVU's AD was not given a chance to counteroffer.

I think WVU could have come close in salary to 5M (I think Huggins made close to that at WVU), but the nearly 8M in NIL would be too difficult to achieve/maintain.

He also obviously preferred the opportunity at IU to staying at WVU, whatever their offer was going to be.

 

[kkott]

West Virginia fans think IU was talking to him directly or indirectly since late November and the Battle for Atlantis - so before the Woodson announcement. So, the thought is IU and Devries had a deal done and freed IU to announce Woodson's "retirement". Now, that's all normal course of business. That's just how it works and everybody knows that. And while West Virigina's fans are upset by that what they're really upset about is the possibility that Devries, knowing that he has a deal done with IU, shut down Tucker so that he could come to IU with him when he really could have come back and played. They also are hot about the beat down they took from Colorado in the first round of the Big12 tournament, speculating that Devries was distracted and/or tuned out.

I know what WVU fans are suggesting. I'd rather not see IU folks buy into it and repeat it here, like it's even a possibility, because soon they'll be saying "IU people are admitting it!". Saying he pulled his son to "save him for IU" is asinine, when he got hurt after 8 games, and oh yeah, had surgery too. It's stupid, and leave it at that. I can believe that as early as mid-season SD began believing he was going to need to fire, I mean convince CMW to retire. I can believe he'd put out feelers to a few "interesting candidates" around that time, or even dating back to last season, when it was rumored he wanted to move on from CMW. That's his job. I don't believe any serious discussions with any candidates took place until after CMW announced. Goodman said he met with SD just after that (he was on his way to cover a UK game and I think stopped to see his daughter. Likely Sat Feb 8 vs USC) and SD was compiling his list of desired traits and Goodman suggested TJO. He also said he knew SD talked with BM a "couple of times", and there were reports he was impressed with BM. That was likely a few weeks after his meeting with SD, and probably before SD talked with DD. Somewhere in there I'm sure he talked with DD, and we also know he talked to Greg McDermott, again that would make sense no earlier than mid-late Feb. I would speculate that DD actually met with SD and PW at some point AFTER they were eliminated from the B12 tourney, which was just last week. That's likely when a contract would've been offered. My dates and events are from Jeff Goodman's stuff on Field of 68 After Dark. I consider this pretty reliable and the WVU accusations butthurt whining. Don't encourage that.

 

[kkott]

The Battle for Atlantis was in late November and he was shut down a week later.

Please stop feeding the monkeys!

 

[mohoosier]

WVU, and their fans, need something positive to focus on right now, like hiring a new coach.

Agree, they had a really bad week. And we all know how things can spiral on social media, that is certainly happening. It doesn’t have to be true to complain about it.

The fact that IU and WVU were the first two teams left out of the tournament is quite the irony.

I feel their pain, how could I not? How many times have we been down this road with much more reason than WVU to be dismayed?

I’d like to tell them things will get better, but can’t do that either.

 

[outside shooter]

What I don't like, though, is the allegation, and the possibility, that Tucker was shut down for the year to save his eligibility for next year with Indiana in mind.

The possibility is precisely zero.

The guy got his shoulder operated on, for God's sake. Nobody goes that far to fake an injury. No team of doctors would allow a fake surgery to take place. It was in fact the 2nd time he had that shoulder operated on, even. It's nonsense on about the same level as believing the Earth is flat.

“Since early December, we have consulted with our team doctors and numerous medical professionals to evaluate and treat Tucker’s injury,” coach DeVries said. “Tucker did everything he could to get back on the court this season, but unfortunately it has been determined by all parties involved that surgery is necessary.

Tucker first had surgery on the shoulder last March, following the completion of his junior season at Drake.

WVU announces Tucker DeVries to have season-ending surgery

MORGANTOWN — Tucker DeVries has taken his final shot for the WVU men’s basketball team this season. His next significant moment will come under a surgeon’s knife today in Morgantown, as the guard will undergo surgery on his right shoulder for the second time in less than a year. WVU head coach...

www.weirtondailytimes.com

 

[asindc]

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I get it, the Mountaineers have had a rough week. First, they miss out on the tournament. Then, their "elite" first-year coach leaves without giving them a chance to counteroffer. Then their best returning player leaves after only playing 8 games.

Just wait until DeVries raids the WVU roster and two-thirds of their 4-star recruiting class....

Former Mountaineer, Pat McAfee, described DeVries as public enemy #1 in West Virginia. It's only going to get worse.

I'm not going to lie, after watching this video, along with yesterday's press conference held by WVU's AD, I feel a little bit bad for them. That said, the 6M buyout check we are sending WVU should help them hire a good coach.

I watched the video. The three commenters were quite rational in their assessments of why Iowa native CDD would leave WVU for IU. I didn’t get the sense at all that they were butthurt.

 

[Seyton]

The possibility is precisely zero.

The guy got his shoulder operated on, for God's sake. Nobody goes that far to fake an injury. No team of doctors would allow a fake surgery to take place. It was in fact the 2nd time he had that shoulder operated on, even. It's nonsense on about the same level as believing the Earth is flat.

“Since early December, we have consulted with our team doctors and numerous medical professionals to evaluate and treat Tucker’s injury,” coach DeVries said. “Tucker did everything he could to get back on the court this season, but unfortunately it has been determined by all parties involved that surgery is necessary.

Tucker first had surgery on the shoulder last March, following the completion of his junior season at Drake.

WVU announces Tucker DeVries to have season-ending surgery

MORGANTOWN — Tucker DeVries has taken his final shot for the WVU men’s basketball team this season. His next significant moment will come under a surgeon’s knife today in Morgantown, as the guard will undergo surgery on his right shoulder for the second time in less than a year. WVU head coach...

www.weirtondailytimes.com

You're right.

 

[asindc]

the Battle for Atlantis was the end of Woodson, Devries being there probably helped his case, Dolson had to ask himself wtf are we doing.

The guys in OP’s linked video commented on how “lost” IU looked at that tournament and said it was clear that CMW wasn’t working out. If casual observers saw that, imagine what Dolson must have been thinking during that week.

 

[Seyton]

I know what WVU fans are suggesting. I'd rather not see IU folks buy into it and repeat it here, like it's even a possibility, because soon they'll be saying "IU people are admitting it!". Saying he pulled his son to "save him for IU" is asinine, when he got hurt after 8 games, and oh yeah, had surgery too. It's stupid, and leave it at that. I can believe that as early as mid-season SD began believing he was going to need to fire, I mean convince CMW to retire. I can believe he'd put out feelers to a few "interesting candidates" around that time, or even dating back to last season, when it was rumored he wanted to move on from CMW. That's his job. I don't believe any serious discussions with any candidates took place until after CMW announced. Goodman said he met with SD just after that (he was on his way to cover a UK game and I think stopped to see his daughter. You could check UK home games after Feb 6 and that's probably the range) and suggested TJO. He also said he knew SD talked with BM a "couple of times", and there were reports he was impressed with BM. That was likely a few weeks after his meeting with SD, and probably before SD talked with DD. Somewhere in there I'm sure he talked with DD, and we also know he talked to Greg McDermott, again that would make sense no earlier than mid-late Feb. I would speculate that DD actually met with SD and PW at some point AFTER they were eliminated from the B12 tourney, which was just last week. That's likely when a contract would've been offered. My dates and events are from Jeff Goodman's stuff on Field of 68 After Dark. I consider this pretty reliable and the WVU accusations butthurt whining. Don't encourage that.

Well put. Good idea.

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

This has been a consistent theme for the past year or so - the Big 12 coaches are sitting ducks, due to the financial positioning of the SEC and Big 10 programs. It was a matter of time and it wouldn’t surprise me to see more of them fall as more positions open. It’s just not a fair playing field when you are a CEO of a competing entity.

Just the opposite in SEC v BIG10 football…
But that’s starting to change very quickly lately.

 

[OpenWheels]

I feel their pain, how could I not? How many times have we been down this road with much more reason than WVU to be dismayed?

...

Never?

Nobody has wanted our basketball coaches.
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[ams66]

They are claiming DeVries didn’t speak to his players before he left. The AD also said he wouldn’t even talk to him about a new deal. Said he never even spoke or considered Iowa at all. It was IU the whole time.

The AD's statement doesn't sound that way. "Coach DeVries informed me of his plans to accept the head coaching position at another institution. Coach and I had several conversations in recent weeks focused on working together to build on a strong foundation and continue to grow our program. I made it clear to him that WVU is committed to invest in him and provide the resources needed to compete in the Big 12 and nationally. Ultimately, he decided to move on, and I want to thank him for his time at WVU."

 

[CG Paul]

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I get it, the Mountaineers have had a rough week. First, they miss out on the tournament. Then, their "elite" first-year coach leaves without giving them a chance to counteroffer. Then their best returning player leaves after only playing 8 games.

Just wait until DeVries raids the WVU roster and two-thirds of their 4-star recruiting class....

Former Mountaineer, Pat McAfee, described DeVries as public enemy #1 in West Virginia. It's only going to get worse.

I'm not going to lie, after watching this video, along with yesterday's press conference held by WVU's AD, I feel a little bit bad for them. That said, the 6M buyout check we are sending WVU should help them hire a good coach.

Thanks for posting. Good podcast by three reasonable, and insightful, hosts.

Certainly recommend watching. They definitely like CDV as a ball coach.