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Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.
 
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Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.

Not enough deperate people for Comcast and the moneyed interests to exploit.
 
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Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.
It means no FED pivot. Powell can continue to increase rates as long as the unemployment rate is low. The market multiples need to come down to support the higher rates.
 
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Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.

Put the puzzle together. Even a lawyer should be able to figure it out.

What causes stocks to drop? Higher bond yields.

What drives higher bond yields? Rate hikes.

What does better than expected jobs #s mean? Fed can continue hiking rates to tame inflation.
 
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Not enough deperate people for Comcast and the moneyed interests to exploit.

It means no FED pivot. Powell can continue to increase rates as long as the unemployment rate is low. The market multiples need to come down to support the higher rates.

Put the puzzle together. Even a lawyer should be able to figure it out.

What causes stocks to drop? Higher bond yields.

What drives higher bond yields? Rate hikes.

What does better than expected jobs #s mean? Fed can continue hiking rates to tame inflation.

Magic 8 Ball says - "Reply hazy - try again"
 
Google "worker shortage" come back and report your findings.
That worker shortage is the real deal. Sbx closed early the other day. No workers. But I see it all over. It’s bizarre to me. I know all the free cheese was the catalyst but that has long dried up. These are shit jobs. Jobs people worked because they presumably needed money. Why don’t they need money anymore? It’s bizarre
 
Wait for it. The Fed will absolutely raise rates. That's a given. But the Socialist Dems M.O. is to throw money at every problem. The next giant stimulus package will be suggested soon. Even if Republicans take the House the pressure will be on them to support another spending orgy to save us all from the next "crisis". The giant stimulus will be hailed as the savior we need and it will include a lot of pork for things not related to anything helping tax payers, but all the Dems, media, celebs, athletes will implore us to support it.

Anyone taking an Econ 101 class understands spending in a time of inflation is like throwing gas on a fire. You may happily accept that next check they send your way but your dollar gets you less as inflation grows. Add that to the self-inflicted oil crisis and it's going to get ugly.
 
That worker shortage is the real deal. Sbx closed early the other day. No workers. But I see it all over. It’s bizarre to me. I know all the free cheese was the catalyst but that has long dried up. These are shit jobs. Jobs people worked because they presumably needed money. Why don’t they need money anymore? It’s bizarre

It isn't just those jobs, oil fields are short workers, airlines are short pilots, major political parties are short decent candidates.
 
That worker shortage is the real deal. Sbx closed early the other day. No workers. But I see it all over. It’s bizarre to me. I know all the free cheese was the catalyst but that has long dried up. These are shit jobs. Jobs people worked because they presumably needed money. Why don’t they need money anymore? It’s bizarre


Interesting graph on job recoveries in different countries.
 
Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.


Lower unemployment/ tight labor market is inflationary..... the Fed isn't going to stop raising rates until inflation gets under control. Stock market doesn't like higher interest rates and will likely to continue until the Fed halts/pivots
 
Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.

Link?

Dropping unemployment rate means the economy is getting stronger. Fed raises rates because with everyone coming into the workplace (after a pandemic), it's driving prices higher and we're seeing higher inflation in the US and globally. Higher borrowing costs makes businesses slow down...so that's what's driving the markets.

It's not too difficult to understand.
 
You’re mistaking Covid cases with shitty Covid policy. Classic mistake.

The economy didn’t tank because people got the sniffles silly.
No, the economy tanked because more than 1 million people died. You're right about one thing, though; Trump's COVID policy was disastrous and it wasn't about anyone getting the sniffles.



 
No, the economy tanked because more than 1 million people died. You're right about one thing, though; Trump's COVID policy was disastrous and it wasn't about anyone getting the sniffles.



Most of them didn’t die from Covid, they died with Covid. I had a headache the other day and almost got hit by a bus, if the bus had hit me, it wouldn’t have been the headache that killed me.

The whole incentive structure was set up for providers to declare more Covid deaths, the statistical bullshit around “Covid deaths” that was played is criminal and set this country back decades.

And lemmings like you are still repeating this nonsense. Shame
SHAME!
 
Most of them didn’t die from Covid, they died with Covid. I had a headache the other day and almost got hit by a bus, if the bus had hit me, it wouldn’t have been the headache that killed me.

The whole incentive structure was set up for providers to declare more Covid deaths, the statistical bullshit around “Covid deaths” that was played is criminal and set this country back decades.

And lemmings like you are still repeating this nonsense. Shame
SHAME!

Why did more people get hit by busses then? They know every year how many people will die. That is something actuarials calculate for insurance and other purposes. Between March 2020 and February 2021 about 650,000 more people died than were expected. See link below.

So what caused 650,000 people with COVID to go jump in front of a bus.


If you don't like that link, here is one for calendar year 2021 saying deaths inb2021 were 17% higher than expected.

 
Most of them didn’t die from Covid, they died with Covid. I had a headache the other day and almost got hit by a bus, if the bus had hit me, it wouldn’t have been the headache that killed me.

The whole incentive structure was set up for providers to declare more Covid deaths, the statistical bullshit around “Covid deaths” that was played is criminal and set this country back decades.

And lemmings like you are still repeating this nonsense. Shame
SHAME!
I guess it was just people who had the sniffles who were overflowing the ERs for 2 years, and why they had to bring in refrigerated semi-trailers to handle the bodies, and to have an ambulance ship sail into NYC.

No use arguing with someone who gets their information from Facebook.
 
That worker shortage is the real deal. Sbx closed early the other day. No workers. But I see it all over. It’s bizarre to me. I know all the free cheese was the catalyst but that has long dried up. These are shit jobs. Jobs people worked because they presumably needed money. Why don’t they need money anymore? It’s bizarre
This may happen every year, so being anecdotal it may mean nothing. I spoke with workers at Acadia, people working the boats, the bus tours, the restaurants, the shops. There were a lot of, "I was bored with my job and decided to do this" answers. That was in addition to the retired folk doing it for income.
 
Story says Dow dropping because unemployment is still dropping (lie - just less people appyling for benefits), “causing” interest rates to rise.

You b-school peeps business-splain why dropping unemployment raises interest rates.

I’ll hang up and watch the market drop.
Warren Buffett says "Any company that has an economist has one too many employees" :)
 
This may happen every year, so being anecdotal it may mean nothing. I spoke with workers at Acadia, people working the boats, the bus tours, the restaurants, the shops. There were a lot of, "I was bored with my job and decided to do this" answers. That was in addition to the retired folk doing it for income.
Maybe everyone drives uber now. doesn't matter where you are you click that button and have a driver in a new tesla within the minute
 
This may happen every year, so being anecdotal it may mean nothing. I spoke with workers at Acadia, people working the boats, the bus tours, the restaurants, the shops. There were a lot of, "I was bored with my job and decided to do this" answers. That was in addition to the retired folk doing it for income.
I was talking with a lady on the elevator last night and she does Uber and Uber eats. I don't know what she did before, but she loves it because she has a lot of freedom. I think the gig jobs are where a lot of people go rather than work somewhere that pays very little.
 
No, the economy tanked because more than 1 million people died. You're right about one thing, though; Trump's COVID policy was disastrous and it wasn't about anyone getting the sniffles.



80% of those who died from COVID in the U.S. were 65 and older. Over 50% of COVID deaths were people 75 and older.

 
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80% of those who died from COVID in the U.S. were 65 and older. Over 50% of COVID deaths were people 75 and older.

So you’re saying they released it to save SS?
 
80% of those who died from COVID in the U.S. were 65 and older. Over 50% of COVID deaths were people 75 and older.

200,000 died from 50-65 and after that it was about even. 240,000 from 65-74, 273,000 from 75-84, 276,000 from 85 and older. 60,000 people died from 30-49.

But I'm trying to understand your point? Those people don't count?
 
200,000 died from 50-65 and after that it was about even. 240,000 from 65-74, 273,000 from 75-84, 276,000 from 85 and older. 60,000 people died from 30-49.

But I'm trying to understand your point? Those people don't count?
My point is that citing a million dead as the cause of the U.S. economy tanking without taking into account other factors--like the age, infirmity, work status, productivity, etc. of those who died--isn't very helpful.
 
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My point is that citing a million dead as the cause of the U.S. economy tanking without taking into account other factors--like the age, infirmity, work status, productivity, etc. of those who died--isn't very helpful.
It was way more than that. Restaurants, stores, and many other businesses shut down. Look at the employment figures that completely tanked. Older people have money to buy things, travel, etc. 50 isn't old. people under 30 generally don't.
 
It was way more than that. Restaurants, stores, and many other businesses shut down. Look at the employment figures that completely tanked. Older people have money to buy things, travel, etc. 50 isn't old. people under 30 generally don't.
The economy tanked because the government shut it down. Sorry, but government sucks sometimes. Covid was a prime example.
 
The point is it was a global pandemic. Things had to be shut down. Why is that so difficult?
No, they didn’t have to be shut down. That’s the entire point, you dummy. Humans can make decisions for themselves. They don’t need a midget doctor or Trump’s dumbass telling them what to do.

Also, to be exact, governments can’t shut down everything because people have to eat and live. What happened, was governments chose policies that on average benefited financially fluent people and shifted risk and more suffering to the poor. Poor whites, blacks, and Hispanics still went work while financially fluent Jeffrey Toobin’s jerked off at home on zoom calls.
 
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