no. i definitely am not. they don't give you style points.
So there was no pleasing you unless we pulled off one of the 10 largest upsets in college football history - equivalent to App State beating Michigan.
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no. i definitely am not. they don't give you style points.
You consider us, a Big Ten school, to be the equivalent of an App State? And why are you satisfied with 2-21?So there was no pleasing you unless we pulled off one of the 10 largest upsets in college football history - equivalent to App State beating Michigan.
I suppose that if I were a gambler and I'd played IU to cover, there'd be some satisfaction to take from that game. Since I'm not, it's just like dozens, probably more like a hundred games I've watched since 1967 that leave me feeling gutted.So there was no pleasing you unless we pulled off one of the 10 largest upsets in college football history - equivalent to App State beating Michigan.
App State has the 6th best record in FBS since 2015, behind Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma.You consider us, a Big Ten school, to be the equivalent of an App State? And why are you satisfied with 2-21?
Moral victories don't count in the win columnSo there was no pleasing you unless we pulled off one of the 10 largest upsets in college football history - equivalent to App State beating Michigan.
in what conference do they play, why are you satisfied with 2-21, and why have you ignored our game against Rutgers?App State has the 6th best record in FBS since 2015, behind Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma.
They have won 6 out of the 7 bowl games they appeared in.
Where did I say I was satisfied with 2-21?in what conference do they play, why are you satisfied with 2-21, and why have you ignored our game against Rutgers?
Got it - win as 32 point underdogs, or it's a failure.Moral victories don't count in the win column
You’re incredulous that people aren’t satisfied after yet another loss . . . I’m simply curious as to why you would have that perspective.Where did I say I was satisfied with 2-21?
Most of us are beyond single games deciding whether a staff is failing or not. And we've seen enough 23 minute bright spots to be more than a little wary of that meaning anything with regards to the program improving.Got it - win as 32 point underdogs, or it's a failure.
The man's not getting paid 5million a year to come close. Certainly not in year 7.Got it - win as 32 point underdogs, or it's a failure.
More like win, or it's a loss. No matter who you're playing. It's really just that simple.Got it - win as 32 point underdogs, or it's a failure.
I think it means more if we hadn't gotten housed by Maryland and Rutgers, and been gifted the game against Akron. THEN the narrative is more...man we're close, he's got us right there... But as it is...and with how the game ended...its pretty obvious the good minutes from Saturday won't be widely repeated, consistently, going forward.More like win, or it's a loss. No matter who you're playing. It's really just that simple.
They are 4-4 against the spread this year. Neither exceeding nor performing below expectations.Most of us are beyond single games deciding whether a staff is failing or not. And we've seen enough 23 minute bright spots to be more than a little wary of that meaning anything with regards to the program improving.
They've played 5 really, really crappy games this year. And have played 2 solid games. And 1 game that isn't worth evaluating one way or another, though I'd say an underwhelming win against arguably the worst team we've played in over a decade (ISU).
But if the affirmation is necessary...sure, we played stretches of some good football on Saturday. It was fun to watch while it lasted.
You said that I said I was satisfied with 2-21, please point to where I said that.You’re incredulous that people aren’t satisfied after yet another loss . . . I’m simply curious as to why you would have that perspective.
When you proclaimed you were satisfied after our most recent loss, it was a natural assumption to make, especially when you’ve been a huge defender of the status quo. Just don’t understand why you’re good with where we are. Please explain if you feel differently.You said that I said I was satisfied with 2-21, please point to where I said that.
We’re 2-6, not 4-4. Who gives a flying F what we are ATS?They are 4-4 against the spread this year. Neither exceeding nor performing below expectations.
Last Saturday was the best game they played all year. Some "fans" are dismissing it because they didn't win.
These "fans" claim when they lose that the only thing that matters is winning, but then ridicule the team for not beating Akron by enough.
These same people dismiss the 2019 and 2020 seasons.
If we go 3-1 the rest of the way, then the improvement argument is probably valid enought to get TA the final year of the promised contract. If that is the case, it should be pretty easy to say that continued improvement means a bowl game in 2024 or his tenure is over.I think it means more if we hadn't gotten housed by Maryland and Rutgers, and been gifted the game against Akron. THEN the narrative is more...man we're close, he's got us right there... But as it is...and with how the game ended...its pretty obvious the good minutes from Saturday won't be widely repeated, consistently, going forward.
If it does...we'll go 3-1, or even 4-0. If those minutes are a sign we're improving, we should be able to beat Wisconsin...and handle the other 3.
They are 4-4 against the spread this year. Neither exceeding nor performing below expectations.
Last Saturday was the best game they played all year. Some "fans" are dismissing it because they didn't win.
These "fans" claim when they lose that the only thing that matters is winning, but then ridicule the team for not beating Akron by enough.
These same people dismiss the 2019 and 2020 seasons.
I agree with you. But since the season does not end today let's see how the season plays out. I think anything less than 3-1 and we should move on. If we 3-1 I think another season is warranted.Throw the ISU game out...they're a high school team basically nowadays.
So of the 7 real games we've played...
-OSU and PSU they showed prolonged stretches of competitiveness against legit high level P5 teams. But also showed an uncanny ability to make horrendous mistakes.
-ALL the rest of the games were largely crap.
This thread centers on the hypothetical of them finishing 3-1. If the season were done today, he deserves to be fired 100%, no question.
Agreed. We looked like a football team in State College but that game means nothing if it can't be leveraged for confidence, motivation, toughness, perseverance and at least three wins in November. Time to earn your salaries, coaches.If we go 3-1 the rest of the way, then the improvement argument is probably valid enought to get TA the final year of the promised contract. If that is the case, it should be pretty easy to say that continued improvement means a bowl game in 2024 or his tenure is over.
Thinking realistically...if we play decent and lose a close one to Wisconsin... and then play fairly well and win the last 3... combine those games with competitive games against OSU and PSU...as much as I DO NOT like CTA as our coach any more...he probably would deserve to be retained for another year. Assuming that implies Carey, Bostad, etc... are also back in their same roles.
I personally wouldn't retain him, at this point, pretty much no matter what he does. But that's incredibly easy for me to say from behind my keyboard. To me, the verdict is in on Allen as a major head coach. And the possibility of him having assistants that can boost him up to adequate levels, wouldn't be enough, for me, to retain him. But I'm sure it would be for our admin...with the 20 million dollar buyout playing no small role.
No, my mind is already made up.Special teams is obviously a problem, but IU played its best football of the season today. Carey's (and Bostad's) impact was evident, defense made some great plays, and we looked like a football team out there in a hostile environment against the #10 team in the country.
Prior to today's game, it was clear where most stood, myself included, regarding CTA's future at IU, particularly after last week's Homecoming debacle versus Rutgers. But if IU were to go 3-1 over the final four games and finish 5-7, would opinions change? Or do you believe anything less than a bowl season should seal his fate?
Please weigh in.
It wouldn't be warranted but that would provide Dolson with enough cover to justify keeping himI agree with you. But since the season does not end today let's see how the season plays out. I think anything less than 3-1 and we should move on. If we 3-1 I think another season is warranted.
Saturday changed my mind as far as us having the personnel to compete, but it doesn't mean we're going 3-1 the rest of the way. Special teams mistakes, penalties at the worst times; allowing opposing QBs to scramble for 20 yards when it's 3rd and 19; playing conservatively on offense as if you're in the running for one of the four playoff berths, etc., etc.I've asked myself that question for years.
Just keep hoping and watching against all logic.
Relative performance means nothing. We're 2-6. As Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are.He had us tied in Happy Valley with 3 minute to go against a PSU team that beat Iowa by 31, Northwestern by 28, Illinois by 17.
Had a #15 Louisville on the ropes in a neutral field game. Louisville is ranked 15th with a 13 point win over ND.
That seems to be the opinions of B!G broadcasters that spoke after the game. I would have liked them to give us a little bit of credit instead of saying that Penn State just made mistakes.Play well against a good team = "the other team isn't really good"
Beat a bad team = "it's basically a loss"
Hilarious.
Completely agree there are/were winnable games on our schedule..Next week I'd say not. Wisconsin beats us. The last 3 is you pick-em I'd say. Depends on what part of the garbage heap decides to flame up on the given Saturday.
"The spread" exists to make the house money, not accurately predict the outcome of a game or evaluate performance.They are 4-4 against the spread this year. Neither exceeding nor performing below expectations.
Saturday changed my mind as far as us having the personnel to compete, but it doesn't mean we're going 3-1 the rest of the way. Special teams mistakes, penalties at the worst times; allowing opposing QBs to scramble for 20 yards when it's 3rd and 19; playing conservatively on offense as if you're in the running for one of the four playoff berths, etc., etc.
One of the falsehoods that is regularly trotted out to justify Tom Allen’s departure is penalties or—even worse—untimely penalties, which essentially makes the claim unfalsifiable.
Statistically, we average 5.1 penalties per game, which places us in the upper quartile for fewest penalties (#36). Over the last three games, we have averaged slightly less.
On an unrelated note, have we recovered a fumble this year?
Thank you … two thirds of the way through the season and zero fumble recoveries—odd.recovered.
Got it - win as 32 point underdogs, or it's a failure.
You act like you know more than the casual fan. However what exactly were your expectations comingYou’re incredulous that people aren’t satisfied after yet another loss . . . I’m simply curious as to why you would have that perspective.
Agreed. We looked like a football team in State College but that game means nothing if it can't be leveraged for confidence, motivation, toughness, perseverance and at least three wins in November. Time to earn your salaries, coaches.
Allen's job, in my opinion, should hinge on how we finish the season. And close losses over this final stretch shouldn't be viewed as a positive. We've got to win games.
True sitting at 2-6 is a huge disappointment. We should be 4-4 or 5-3. However you come into a season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 total college plays between them and that is not a recipe for success.Relative performance means nothing. We're 2-6. As Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are.
You act like you know a lot about football can you te me how you thought IU was going to beat OSU, Michigan or PSU going into the season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 college play’s between them? You fired your offensive coordinator 3 games into the season. Yes that is on Allen. On the other hand you can be known as a guy who is constantly firing people without giving them a chance. You have numerous injuries to your top receivers and probably your best running back. You thought you had your 2 coordinators and they become head coaches. You have not had much continuity at the coordinator position when you get a good one they move on. Not his fault. I have said I think he needs to go 3-1 to even consider keeping his job. But you tell me who you think the next head coach should be and how much time do you propose we give them?We’ve lost 21 of our last 23 Big Ten games, 16 of them by double digits. Being satisfied with very occasional close losses isn’t the way to build a sustainably winning program.
The roster and the staff are Tom’s responsibility, especially in Year 7. He’s mismanaged both and the result is a 2-21 Big Ten record over the last two and a half years. That should never be acceptable and excuses shouldn’t be made for it.You act like you know more than the casual fan. However what exactly were your expectations coming
True sitting at 2-6 is a huge disappointment. We should be 4-4 or 5-3. However you come into a season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 total college plays between them and that is not a recipe for success.
You act like you know a lot about football can you te me how you thought IU was going to beat OSU, Michigan or PSU going into the season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 college play’s between them? You fired your offensive coordinator 3 games into the season. Yes that is on Allen. On the other hand you can be known as a guy who is constantly firing people without giving them a chance. You have numerous injuries to your top receivers and probably your best running back. You thought you had your 2 coordinators and they become head coaches. You have not had much continuity at the coordinator position when you get a good one they move on. Not his fault. I have said I think he needs to go 3-1 to even consider keeping his job. But you tell me who you think the next head coach should be and how much time do you propose we give them?
If IU loses, your narrative is "DID WE GET THE WIN? NO? WELL THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS." (Penn State game).External expectations were abysmal. Living up to that is literally saying nothing other than our average is sucking.
We lost. Everybody here is a fan. Good God, why else would anybody be on a message board talking about Indiana football? Being unimpressed does not equate to a lack of fandom. Casual fans are probably more ok with moral victories, yet they're bigger "fans" because they're not fed up?
We were a 23 yard field goal away from losing to Akron...at home...in year seven. We didn't block the FG or make a big play, they just missed the kick because that's how bad they are.
2019 and 2020 matter less than 2023, 2022, and 2021 in that order.
Again, the point here is that we have been 30+ point underdogs two out of our last three (conference!!!) games. Those were sandwiched around losing to RUTGERS (at home) for the third year in a row. Did we play better against Penn State? Better than what? Not better than our opponent.
This is easily the most humiliating time to be an Indiana football fan in my nearly 30 years of attending games....and it ain't even close.
I was sad when we fired Cam...I really thought he was turning a corner. I was sad when we fired Bill Lynch because the offense was fun and we only missed a bowl game because of Belcher's drop. I was pissed when we fired CKW because we were building something and making history. I will personally pack CTA's belongings yesterday.
100%.You act like you know more than the casual fan. However what exactly were your expectations coming
True sitting at 2-6 is a huge disappointment. We should be 4-4 or 5-3. However you come into a season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 total college plays between them and that is not a recipe for success.
You act like you know a lot about football can you te me how you thought IU was going to beat OSU, Michigan or PSU going into the season with 2 quarterbacks that had 10 college play’s between them? You fired your offensive coordinator 3 games into the season. Yes that is on Allen. On the other hand you can be known as a guy who is constantly firing people without giving them a chance. You have numerous injuries to your top receivers and probably your best running back. You thought you had your 2 coordinators and they become head coaches. You have not had much continuity at the coordinator position when you get a good one they move on. Not his fault. I have said I think he needs to go 3-1 to even consider keeping his job. But you tell me who you think the next head coach should be and how much time do you propose we give them?