That’s the case if you’re an idiot! LOL!They shipped boxes of documents to Maralago that Trump never requested nor wanted. Now they want to lock Trump up for possessing said documents. That's the case in a nutshell.
That’s the case if you’re an idiot! LOL!They shipped boxes of documents to Maralago that Trump never requested nor wanted. Now they want to lock Trump up for possessing said documents. That's the case in a nutshell.
You do, just under another handle.I don't read bowl's posts.
Wrong. And I don't have another handle.You do, just under another handle.
He meant others who parrot the same stuffWrong. And I don't have another handle.
I meant there appear to be posters who post under more than one handle.He meant others who parrot the same stuff
You don’t unless these shitheads are removed from office in November. If they are not this country is over……The whole thing is a f*cking joke, all of it. They tampered with the evidence and then lied to the court. WTH is going on? This is truly some of the most out in the open, corrupt crap I've seen since I've been alive. How does the country recover from this.
And Potatohead was never President back then and had no right to have any docs in his possessionWatch the Maria interview with Ratcliffe. The Biden docs were HIGHLY classified - so classified Ratcliffe had to look up the classification. Not a peep about the Biden docs from any news source.
And a Biden rep met with the National Archives before Jack Smith was even assigned to the case. Ratcliffe is right - it's another Crossfire Hurricane, where the FBI lied to get a FISA warrant to investigate Trump.
This is the real coup and the dupes can't see it right before their eyes.
This is where the desperate hypocritical dupes have gathered today. LOL!
So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?"In their filing, prosecutors acknowledged the government had previously — and incorrectly — told U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that the boxes remained “in their original, intact form as seized,” other than a decision to replace classified documents with placeholder sheets.
That depiction, the prosecutors conceded, is “inconsistent” with their current understanding that some of the documents are not now in the same order as they appear in digital scans of the records that were made in the fall of 2022 after Cannon ordered an unusual process to review whether the FBI may have seized legally privileged records.
“There are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans,” prosecutors wrote, adding in a footnote: “The Government acknowledges that this is inconsistent with what Government counsel previously understood and represented to the Court.”
"Smith’s lawyers say the apparent jumble took place despite various precautions, including having an FBI agent present while an outside vendor scanned the documents so that Trump’s attorneys could see what was seized. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ultimately halted the review Cannon ordered."
In other words, somebody has ****ed with the documents, but gee..... they have no idea how or why. And why did the Appeals Court halt the review.
Looking more and more like Hurricane Crossfire redux.
This reeks of Crossfire Hurricane: John Ratcliffe | Fox News Video
Former DNI John Ratcliffe joins ‘Sunday Morning Futures’ to give his legal analysis of the ‘coordinated’ NY v. Trump case, the classified documents case and Israel-Hamas negotiations.www.foxnews.com
If Smith admits to the judge, the FBI tampered with evidence and he misrepresented to the judge, what’s the remedy?So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?
So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?
Seems like the system ultimately worked. True malfeasance is very hard to get away with because the federal workforce is pretty representative of the public. Trump's first administration is a case in point.You don’t unless these shitheads are removed from office in November. If they are not this country is over……
Exactly. Nothing to see here. Move along.So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?
What book was that DANC? I believe his most successful book is the one he wrote about dealing with Beau's death. So exactly how did that involve info in the classified documents?Biden made his millions from his book, supposedly - the book he wrote from the information on the classified documents he had in his garage - that he shared with his "ghost-writer".
But ol' Joe fessed up when he was caught with those docs, so it's OK. Just like if you robbed a bank and admitted it, you'd never face charges.
Who shipped boxes to MAL that Trump never requested or wanted? Seems to me that Trump could have "shipped" these "unrequested, unwanted boxes" back to NARA at some point between summer of 2021 when NARA first informed Trump that the documents were missing and Aug 2022 when the FBI/DOJ had to physically retrieve these "unrequested" documents from MAL.They shipped boxes of documents to Maralago that Trump never requested nor wanted. Now they want to lock Trump up for possessing said documents. That's the case in a nutshell.
So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?
I would tend to agree except if they lied about it in such a way as to make it look worse than it was, that in itself is prosecutorial misconduct is it not?Exactly. Nothing to see here. Move along.
"Who the hell would have thought an outsider as popular as Trump gets elected and the gang of thieves in DC is so corrupt that they make absolute fools of themselves and completely turn everything upside down trying to stop him."Yes I watched it...At this point nothing surprises you anymore when it comes to the persecution of Trump, but my God this is as rancid as it gets. It makes a mockery of the court system and these people will never be held accountable.
What a horrible, horrible few years this has been. Who the hell would have thought an outsider as popular as Trump gets elected and the gang of thieves in DC is so corrupt that they make absolute fools of themselves and completely turn everything upside down trying to stop him. There must be some absolute awful, gut wrenching, crimes being covered up that would make us all question the whole thing for them to act like this.
Read the Politico article DANC originally posted. They fvcked up and admitted as much. Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.I would tend to agree except if they lied about it in such a way as to make it look worse than it was, that in itself is prosecutorial misconduct is it not?
They lied about the documents. They admit they lied about the documents.Read the Politico article DANC originally posted. They fvcked up and admitted as much. Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Of course THEY’RE going to say it makes no difference.
Counter question-if it made no difference, why did they lie about it?So what difference does it make?
If you want to convict someone of a crime, you can’t lie about what they did.
This may well be a nothingburger but the bolded is absolutely NOT what I’m doing. And YOU are better than claiminig it is.This is a nothingburger. You seem to be convinced it's some heinous miscarriage of justice. They may have been sloppy, but they aren't doing anything nefarious. I'm surprised at your insistence that it just has to be otherwise. You're better than that.
It depends.If Smith admits to the judge, the FBI tampered with evidence and he misrepresented to the judge, what’s the remedy?
No, I don’t think so. The court might sanction them ($). Or the judge might say “hey, I don’t trust your representations much anymore” and make them double check reps to her.I would tend to agree except if they lied about it in such a way as to make it look worse than it was, that in itself is prosecutorial misconduct is it not?
Wait a minute. If the prosecution in ANY case misrepresents evidence against the accused, and doesn’t have a good reason for doing so, that in ITSELF creates reasonable doubt, does it not?No, I don’t think so. The court might sanction them ($). Or the judge might say “hey, I don’t trust your representations much anymore” and make them double check reps to her.
But if there is no harm, what’s the big deal? Unless there’s something important about the order of the doc as kept by Trump? Something like “hey in the originals the last two pages of this top top top secret doc were ripped off and stuffed in the back of another box and had fake tanning lotion all over them so we can prove Trump took them out and read them?”
If they were going to make that type of argument, they just screwed themselves.
No evidence has been misrepresented.Wait a minute. If the prosecution in ANY case misrepresents evidence against the accused, and doesn’t have a good reason for doing so, that in ITSELF creates reasonable doubt, does it not?
Obligatory IANAL but it seems that way to me.
Doesn't this seem to be the status quo as of late. It's to the point the whole country is like wtf.If they were going to make that type of argument, they just screwed themselves.
No hoops. Depends on what was misrepresented. How material to elements etc. boring lawyer shit. But far from auto thingWait a minute. If the prosecution in ANY case misrepresents evidence against the accused, and doesn’t have a good reason for doing so, that in ITSELF creates reasonable doubt, does it not?
Obligatory IANAL but it seems that way to me.
Reasonable doubt in what? The order of the documents in the boxes in Trump's house? Why does it matter to the legal case against him? It might, but I haven't heard an argument for why it would.Wait a minute. If the prosecution in ANY case misrepresents evidence against the accused, and doesn’t have a good reason for doing so, that in ITSELF creates reasonable doubt, does it not?
Obligatory IANAL but it seems that way to me.
I am not sure if there are many Proud Boys in Ft. Pierce maybe Stuart or Vero.There’s probably a proud boys chapter in fort Pierce. He should hold a presser and tell them to stand by
Chi-Nah and Ukraine has made Biden a lot of money. If they gave him and his family money then could a claim be made that this affects his policies towards those countries?W-w-w-wait a minute Dan. 10% for the big guy you can't forget about that.
Oh, OK. Yeah, I agree.I meant there appear to be posters who post under more than one handle.
I think it raises a question about chain of custody, no? The government claimed the records they have match the records at MAL. But they've obviously been moved or rearranged or whatever.Reasonable doubt in what? The order of the documents in the boxes in Trump's house? Why does it matter to the legal case against him? It might, but I haven't heard an argument for why it would.
This could be presented to the jury as some hinky shit (legal term). That could influence a jury, which I think is what Hoops is saying.No hoops. Depends on what was misrepresented. How material to elements etc. boring lawyer shit. But far from auto thing
One might write it off as a simple mistake by the FBI if one didn't know the history of Crossfire Hurricane and the fact that the FBI lied to get FISA warrants.This may well be a nothingburger but the bolded is absolutely NOT what I’m doing. And YOU are better than claiminig it is.
Your insistence that it be discounted as a simple mistake is extending more credit to the government than what the government deserves. Especially when we’re talking about evidence in a criminal trial.
And if we’d be talking about anyone other than Donald Trump you’d admit that.
They are there, but have obviously been handled - who knows if the content of the documents have been altered?So all the same docs are there but they are just not in the same order as found in the boxes at the time taken?
Well, there are copies of everything I suppose? Could compare them all with copies the govt has?They are there, but have obviously been handled - who knows if the content of the documents have been altered?