Turn it around. They dished out toughness to their subordinates. It was about them as a leader. Not about the leader being thin skinned. In war you are tough or you get killed.
Last edited:
"we just about beat everybody’s ass.”
- Thread starter IUCrazy2
- Start date
Pity stupidity like yours isn't fatal. To you that is - has ever taken a toll on others.
Our school principal paddled students when they misbehaved or disrespected authority. It worked then, and it would work today. You feared and respected authority as a result. I dont think my dad had thin skin. He would still beat my a$$ if I talked back to him if he were still alive. I never did. You feared and respected authority. Just like the police. You fear and respect them. You dont run from the cops. Resisting arrest as much admits guilt and says you do not want to be questioned by the cops or have your arrest and warrant record reviewed.
Last edited:
Repeating the mistakes of history, now that is stupid, on the anniversary year of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent demise of the Soviet Union (United Soviet Socialist Republic) and the fall of Eastern Bloc Socialism/Communism.
Last edited:
Participation trophies suck.
You must earn awards and respect.
When I coached a little league team one year and we didnt win that year my kids and parents asked for their participation trophies. I said we didn't win. We dont get a trophy for failing. I saved them for the next year after we won the league season and Tournament. Then they got rewarded with two trophies for winning both.
Last edited:
Incorrect, this generation is different.
What book are you reading that says they are the same?
My generation did not have participation trophies.
My generation did not get time outs, they got paddled by teachers, principals, and parents.
My generation feared and respected authority.
You are either complaining about your sons or your grandsons, but either way the responsible patriarch is you and your generation, right?
Or are they born soft?
If beating children was so effective, and it worked so well, why did he ever have to do it? If everyone feared and respected authority because authority figures beat you, why did it still happen? If beating was such an effective, respected, and beloved strategy, why has it not carried over?
Beating children as a deterrent is for those who have no clue how to be respected, A leader who is respected because he has the authority to beat is really not respected.
(BTW, before anyone takes exception with my verb, "beat", I'm just borrowing it from the post I quoted.)
P.S. I have two grown children who are well-adjusted, successful, hard-working adults who have become great friends with my wife and me. They hang out with us for no other reason than we all love spending time together (their spouses included), and they have no problem asking our advice on things. We never spanked them, because we put so much effort into caring for and nurturing them. We spent time with them. We talked to them. We took an interest in their activities. We were never too tired to listen to or help them. Their fear was disappointing us. You know...parenting. It takes a lot more time, love, patience, commitment, and work than beating, but the end result has been much more rewarding.
I agree that this generation is soft and yes you are correct. My generation is responsible. I don’t mind pc. I’m all for inclusion and being respectful to everyone and I am certain this generation is far better at it than mine and that’s a really good thing.
The issue I have is a significant portion of this population is whiny and entitled and hasn’t worked enough to have any perspective. A perfect example is the women’s soccer team at the World Cup. The majority of teams they played were fledgling programs with amateur players. Now they want more money when their abilities are on par with a decent 14 yr old boys’ academy team. There are countries where women aren’t allowed to watch soccer much less play yet somehow our team of millennials is being oppressed.
I did not raise my son soft.
But others in my generation bought into more political correctness. School discipline has changed, not for the better. Kids today think they are smarter than their parents and argue back, in my era that got you severely disciplined at home. Also single parent families today leaves mom or grandma attempting to raise strong teenage boys without a dad, and their male role models are not their father. Two big factors, single parent families with no father figure, Renoving school discipline and replacing with time-outs and political correctness.
The spankings were a major deterrent. It was not a beating. I am absolutely fully behind spankings and I believe in them as a deterrent for my future grandchildren. I completely disagree that spankings are wrong. Kids got their feelings hurt more than a temporary sting of a paddle. Our grade school principal unleashing verbal discipline followed by a couple loud whacks of spanking in the hallway so the entire rest of the class could hear, usually ended all discipline problems in the classroom for an extended period of time. As the kid returned from getting spanked with his head down in embarrassment. Nobody else wanted that to be the next kid getting paddled by our principal. So yes, we feared and respected our parents, our teacher, our principal, our pastor. Because they all had the ability to discipline us if we did not behave correctly. I got spanked one time by my father when I was 3 and I never wanted spanked again. And when I grew up I still respected my dad and I was his best friend as an adult. I deserved it for not obeying orders as as a terrible 3 year old. That ended quickly. Your view of political correctness is completely different from mine. Political correctness has replaced biblical teachings of right and wrong,whatever man thinks is acceptable and is always open to change. Inclusion is biblical and never changes what is right and wrong, all men are created equal is in our Constitution that is inclusion and does not need political Correctness to be justified. Political correctness in the discipline sense means how dare you spank your child for disobeying orders, that's mean and cruel. No, that's why it is called discipline. It ends the arguement. I have witnessed time-outs used by others and it has almost zero deterrent properties, and the kids are emboldened by the non-discipline and keep pushing their limits until there is no limits at all, and no discipline results. PC discipline is an epic fail. And we see a generation in general, thankfully not all, that does not respect authority as a result.
Last edited:
TL;DR
You need to stick to the short, obvious, simplistic statements that you have become known for.
Bottom line...in far too many cases, ass beatings (as you called it) = lazy parenting.
It's amazing that the only segment of the population that we can legally hit are those who are the most defenseless and the most devastated by the hitting.
Last edited:
I couldn’t disagree more. Motivating behavior by fear has well documented negative outcomes. As a millennial, I can tell you that the soft people in my generation come from parents that focused on providing social achievement and material indulgences instead of a value system.
Last edited:
I disagree
A paddling is not an "ass beating" - your words. It is a stinging embarrassment in front of family or classmates. Nobody was scarred for life. It was a deterrent. It usually ended any future and behavior. It worked. It is effective parenting. I would however call NOT paddling as lazy parenting. Too scared to upset your child? You are the parent not them, you are in control not them. I will have to agree to disagree. I'm sorry I see the rise in youth with lack of respect towards authority as starting young with lack of discipline growing up and in school. Whatever child pschcholigist that came up with the time-out chair was likely not man enough or woman enough to discipline children so they came up with a weak, enabling method of soft discipline that can lead to future disrespect for authority. The fear factor of authority is gone. Nobody is going to be afraid of a time out chair. They grow up and think that when a cop yells stop and hands up, that nothing will happen if they disobey just like the time out chair they had in school growing up. When they get taken down or shot by police then they cry foul. You listen to authority or you pay the consequences. Period.
Last edited:
Whose documentation says fear is not a deterrent? Is prison a deterrent - Yes. Is a $200 speeding ticket a deterrent - Yes. Is the fear of getting paddled by dad or your principal a deterrent -Absolutely Yes. Today's weak discipline methods have lead to the disrespect for authority that continues to grow. I dont need a study to tell me that. Studies many times are cherry picked to give the result that the author wants to say is fact. My own observations says they are very wrong.
Once again, it's strange that children are the only segment of our society that adults are legally allowed to hit. And they are the most defenseless and most devastated when they are hit.
The "time out chair" is a cute red herring. Never used it myself.
I'm done on this topic. I would, however, be interested in reading your research on the positives of hitting your children, as there are probably a million scholarly articles on the short and long term detrimental effects. About the only positive effect is that it makes the hitter feel powerful and in control.
I was not taking about a paddling as an adult. You took my words out of context. As an adult you never challenge my father or he would have punched me. Paddling is for kids. I never disrespected my dad, because I knew what would happen.
The parent is powerful and in control. That is the issue here. Kids think they are in control if they never get effectively disciplined.
Paddling a child is not hitting children.
You don't hit children.
Paddling is a stinging reminder and a public embarrassment.
Big difference.
If you equate hitting a child with paddling then I see your point.
Paddling is effective, lasting discipline.
Punching a child with a fist is not.
Paddling a child is not hitting children with your fist. It's using a wooden stick or a belt to hit children.
You don't hit children, unless you use a wooden stick or a belt.
Paddling is a stinging reminder that your parent can take out his/her frustrations on you physically.
Paddling is effective, lasting discipline - unless you read the studies about paddling and discover the opposite is true.
Punching a child is even worse.
FIFY.
This is 100% true.
Too bad you think hitting is the only way to achieve that control, and that hitting is an effective discipline.
And yes, paddling, which you are now calling it when you originally called it ass beating, is hitting.
If you have to use physical pain to communicate in any relationship, it’s safe to say that the relationship has broken down.
I’d like to spank, hit, and put all of you in timeout for this thread. Take it to the water cooler.
I would love to see Coach Knight at a IU Basketball home game.
The roof would come off of Assembly Hall.
The roof would come off of Assembly Hall.
Nuns for years used the ruler. They made some of the best men and women in this country learn right and wrong at a young age.
No more .7 8 or 9. Don't cry too hard.
Also 'made' many of the greatest psychopaths & murderers in history.
Yelling/corporal punishment = morality. Who knew? Or that JC used to just wail on folks to holy them up. Dang all that lost scripture.
Hard to believe anyone could grow up so stupid.
I know I look at the millions of people it made a better instead of the handful that were bad. Such a stupid way to look at things, what was I thinking??? RMK made so many awful men out of basketball players, I mean just look at the handful that turned out to be bad people!
Obviously the catholic church is bad, priests have raped kids. Hard to believe those hundreds of millions of people that are better people because of it grew up that stupid!
Huge difference between learning the difference between right and wrong, and learning to adopt the behaviors that avoid physical pain. Kind of like how we are supposed to obey God because of the love he has shown us, not just to avoid Hell.
Last edited:
Why do you imagine that children/young people require punishment to tell the difference between right and wrong? You're addressing the limits (mostly lack of grace, wit and imagination) on the part of adults and institutions, not any inherent dysfunctionality among youth. Far better and more enlightened approaches to teaching that don't have the downside and certain risk of creating angry, bitter and vengeful teenagers. Is your way effective? Can be, but it's hardly optimal, and bottom line is that like begets like - if you want children to learn that vocal and/or physical violence is the default recourse to problem-solving, then by all means, scream at them and beat them.
"You can always tell who went to Catholic school, because they're atheists." Mike Birbiglia
Worked with a guy once who went to a severe Catholic school in Spain during the time of Franco. Every morning, mass followed by goose-stepping in the courtyard. Became an atheist and anarchist at the age of eight.
Some of you have been assuming authority Should be respected, but sometimes authority has had a bad day and takes it out on an innocent person, sometimes authority is wrong but doesn’t care, sometimes authority is just a lying sos who got put in office by slacker electors not voters.
It’s foolish to run from cops but that has little to do with spanking or not spanking.
It’s foolish to run from cops but that has little to do with spanking or not spanking.
In my youth...I worked for a Bloomington-based company that employed quite a few former IUBball players...the CEO was a bit eccentric and often seemed to do BK imitations in meetings...to the point of throwing chairs and cursing...one day having lunch with a group that included a former IUBball player who was an executive in the company...someone asked "Do you ever worry when the CEO goes off the handle and yells, screams and throws things?" This former IUbball player responded with a laugh and without skipping a beat. "Oh never...the CEO is bound by the law. Coach Knight wasn't."
I read through this thread and clearly ufo33 made the better case. Millennials and post Millennials (whatever cutesy name they have) are recognized as pussies (on the average) because they were raised as divine delicate little snowflakes. Some b- hole above thinks it is funny not to have indoor plumbing. Him and his millennial cohorts would s**t the bed like a baby before getting up at 2 am and going outside when -20. Can i have an adult diaper to wear to bed-i dont want to get the sniffles if i have to go poo poo.
I would like to see RMK attend a game but then it would sicken me to see all these duplicitous little dweebs that stabbed him in the back to clap to show how broad minded they are.
Must really suck having your bowels get as loose and unreliable as what you pass off as 'thinking' - maybe we'll chip in and buy you a box if you just STFU.
Any 'stab wounds' Knight may have suffered were self-inflicted. And just for the record, this child used to work Winter icepack weeks at a time well beyond the Arctic Circle when/where -20 was quite honestly considered positively balmy.
A famous poster once said, “Pray you find the right f-ing board for such. Or maybe start a chatroom for your church.” Oh yeah, that was you about 10 threads down. How about you take your own advice, so this terrible thread will go away.
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
-
I think our assistants are living up to their salary.
- Latest: Bucket Getter
-
-