It can't be determined by the information. If it was, it would be simple for you to say exactly.
We have a verdict -- Guilty on ALL counts
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Economics including recessions and inflation can destroy the reelection of a president. Think Hoover and Carter.
On the other hand, Paul Volcker broke the back of inflation and Reagan benefited. Bill Clinton was in the right place at the right time as the economy boomed and the budget actually ran a surplus.
Timing and circumstances not completely under the control of the guy in the Oval Office can win or break his reelection chances. Not altogether fair, but just the way the cookie crumbles.
First you have to believe the laws mean anything. Would you jump off a bridge because it was there? This was just a witch hunt using a bunch of BS laws. Meanwhile the democrats are more than happy to still debate the guy. That tells you right there this is just BS and a waste of time. Everybody is now apparently just moving on and this is just like all the Impeachments we have seen.
The Great Chase Oliver agrees the laws are BS and it's also BS that those unfortunates who break them would go to jail but not those who can buy their way out do so. The laws need eliminated.
It takes you off ignore when I take anyone else off ignore. I've had Stuffshirt (or whatever his ID is) on ignore, but I take him off to respond if I see a response to him that I want to comment on.
I saw your post and decided to respond. But I won't be a hypocrite (I know OS reads my posts, even though he says he has me on ignore) - I'll take you off ignore. I'll try not to respond to your personal insults, but I also expect you to behave yourself.
What are you thoughts on Trump taking out a sharpie and redrawing a weather map rather than admit he made a mistake? Or actually his first day in office lying about the crowds? So easily proven wrong. So stupid to lie about. His mind is peas. Like I said, I’ll get his last speech and find a dozen lies for you later today. But the Trumpers will still find excuses for it. Why? It’s a cult.
Oh you saw him speak at that trial? I missed it. The one where he LIED an and said he was going to? You’re right. It isn’t difficult. No one who KNOWS Biden says he is unfit. Multiple people who KNOW Trump say he is. But the cult knows better.
So you can't name the specific crime(s). That's because the judge gave the jury a smorgasbord of federal crimes that the jury could select from, but not 100% agree on. And it was given at the end of the trial, when the defense could not prepare a defense for those charges. Even you should be able to see the absolute judicial travesty in that.
By the way, if you say it was election interference, that's a federal charge. That's something I've read about.....
Oh so you can just ignore laws you don’t like? Can you also interfere with elections when you don’t like the results? Can you hide documents? Lie about it? Move them after you’ve been asked for them? Those witch-hunts too?
Ummm. You’re excusing a president with a horrible record who is a million miles off on the biggest issue facing the country. Cult. Glass houses….
You can never use thinking person and someone voting for Trump in the same argument. Ever.
I hear him speak all the time. He has unscripted press conferences. People who know people who know lmao don’t you have ears and eyes?
A Republican Congress after the 1994 saved Clinton's presidency. He also recognized his weaknesses and pivoted on large government and the budget.
Right. I’ll go take down my Biden flag and take off my hat and get my bumper stickers off my car. I don’t think his record is horrible. Those are policies you disagree with and I agree with.
Not being able to admit a mistake is not the same thing as knowing basic things like the inflation rate when he took office.
Do you consider paying Russians to create the Steele Dossier isn't election interference?
This will probably clear
All of the people involved with actually investigating Trump in the summer of 2016 weren't liberal. They were anti-Putin. Including the founders of Fusion GPS ( the intelligence security firm originally hired by one of the GOP Trump opponents and the Free Beacon). The whole Trump investigation began as a right wing operation, and many believe Rubio was the candidate who set it into motion...
Steele was the former head of MI-6s Moscow Desk in the 90's. MI-6 is British Military counter-intelligence basically the British version of all the GRU agents the Russians have roaming around thruout Britain,the US and the West. Btw, 2 of those GRU agents were secretly wiretapped by the FBI in 2013, and their conversation mentioned an American "useful idiot" named Carter Page, who wasn't on the FBVI's radar at the time.
Btw, the GRU is that Russian Military Intelligence agency that was largely responsible for infiltrating all of those far-right Western European parties and influencing elections for the previous decade or so.People with GRU connections or on the payroll joined the parties to radicalize them and turn them into pro-Putin parties. US intelligence was convinced that those previous examples of Russian interference were just dress rehearsals for their main goal- the 2016 US elections.
(there are books written on the subject, if you aren't aware of what I'm describing)
That's why the Trump Campaign hiring Manfort and Page set off alarm bells in the Intelligence Community. It was against this backdrop that Fusion GPS (following the withdrawl of the right wing money from Free Beacon) called on Steele who was semi-retired.They all knew each other from attending various anti-Putin symposiums and events over the years. Steele had people on the inside including dissidents and anti_Putin activists as part of a network he had built up during his time in Moscow.
In fact the first assignment Steele was given was to keep an eye on (useful idiot) Page during his trip to Moscow. Page had made no secret of his plan to go back to Russia (he's made frequent trips) to speak at a convention full of Russian oligarchs and other Putin cronies whose avowed purpose was to find ways to subvert the US sanctions imposed following the invasion of Crimea...
So is Steele's anti-Putin network of spies the Russians you are referring to?
I couldn't find any reputable source making that claim. What "Russians" are you claiming HRC paid? You presented the allegation as fact- show your work. If you can...
All of the people involved with actually investigating Trump in the summer of 2016 weren't liberal. They were anti-Putin. Including the founders of Fusion GPS ( the intelligence security firm originally hired by one of the GOP Trump opponents and the Free Beacon). The whole Trump investigation began as a right wing operation, and many believe Rubio was the candidate who set it into motion...
Steele was the former head of MI-6s Moscow Desk in the 90's. MI-6 is British Military counter-intelligence basically the British version of all the GRU agents the Russians have roaming around thruout Britain,the US and the West. Btw, 2 of those GRU agents were secretly wiretapped by the FBI in 2013, and their conversation mentioned an American "useful idiot" named Carter Page, who wasn't on the FBVI's radar at the time.
Btw, the GRU is that Russian Military Intelligence agency that was largely responsible for infiltrating all of those far-right Western European parties and influencing elections for the previous decade or so.People with GRU connections or on the payroll joined the parties to radicalize them and turn them into pro-Putin parties. US intelligence was convinced that those previous examples of Russian interference were just dress rehearsals for their main goal- the 2016 US elections.
(there are books written on the subject, if you aren't aware of what I'm describing)
That's why the Trump Campaign hiring Manfort and Page set off alarm bells in the Intelligence Community. It was against this backdrop that Fusion GPS (following the withdrawl of the right wing money from Free Beacon) called on Steele who was semi-retired.They all knew each other from attending various anti-Putin symposiums and events over the years. Steele had people on the inside including dissidents and anti_Putin activists as part of a network he had built up during his time in Moscow.
In fact the first assignment Steele was given was to keep an eye on (useful idiot) Page during his trip to Moscow. Page had made no secret of his plan to go back to Russia (he's made frequent trips) to speak at a convention full of Russian oligarchs and other Putin cronies whose avowed purpose was to find ways to subvert the US sanctions imposed following the invasion of Crimea...
So is Steele's anti-Putin network of spies the Russians you are referring to?
Check prices of gas, insurance, daycare, groceries, homes, the border etc. his policies are horrible. And at the 11th hour they are desperate to try to fix them. Throw out your mask and burn your blm sign in riotous fashion. The Biden experiment was a bust
Jesus, is CNN not a 'reputable' source?
"Political candidates and groups are required to publicly disclose their spending to the FEC, and they must explain the purpose of any specific expenditure more than $200. The FEC concluded that the Clinton campaign and DNC misreported the money that funded the dossier, masking it as “legal services” and “legal and compliance consulting” instead of opposition research."
"The money trail behind the Steele dossier has been a subject of intense political scrutiny for years. More than $1 million flowed from the Clinton campaign and DNC to the law firm Perkins Coie, which then hired the opposition research company Fusion GPS. That company later hired Steele and asked him to use his overseas contacts to dig up dirt about Trump’s ties to Russia."
One more before I tap out and accomplish some things. Trump was handed a booming economy, ( thanks, Obama). He chose to give his “free cheese” to the rich and corporations. The debt and deficit both rose explosively under him, even though the economy was humming. Whoever took over after Covid was facing a shit show. Yet, we did not go into a recession, as nearly everyone predicted. Inflation has dropped from 9 to 3%. Unemployment is at record lows and stock market at record highs ( sorry, DOnny). I’d prefer my free cheese go to people who need it, and the predatory rates of student loans, than millionaires becoming billionaires. So yes, facing two people with significant cognitive decline, I’ll go with the one that isn’t a felon, a bully, and a sexual predator. I’d rather have a different choice, but it is what it is. I choose Biden for both policies and character.
I insult when I'm insulted.It takes you off ignore when I take anyone else off ignore. I've had Stuffshirt (or whatever his ID is) on ignore, but I take him off to respond if I see a response to him that I want to comment on.
I saw your post and decided to respond. But I won't be a hypocrite (I know OS reads my posts, even though he says he has me on ignore) - I'll take you off ignore. I'll try not to respond to your personal insults, but I also expect you to behave yourself.
This is the kind of shit that should scare any realist about Trump. He's an amateur. Worse, he doesn't even seem to care. That comes with a huge cost.
For example, he loses face a lot and loses the ability to use plausible deniability when he shows he doesn't know how to back channel or distance himself from actions he takes. That hurts the US in foreign policy if he's doing it there and I would be shocked if he did not (and would not in the future).
What does that have to do with the Clinton campaign and funding the Steele Dossier?
Did you mean to respond to my post?
Clinton, and most savvy politicians, know how to do something Trump does not. While we view the Clinton coverup as unethical, it is important to be able to take action at that level without it getting back on you. As Prez, I think that holds true, too, in foreign policy. But Trump can't keep his mouth shut or won't listen to people to take steps to obfuscate his actions.
What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict
Former President Donald Trump was found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's what to know about the charges.
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No one has hurt the underclass more than Biden. With these prices he’s basically taxing them to death. And we still may end up with a recession AND god awful prices. And an American dream that’s shot for tens of millions.
And remember any improvements were after he was cuffed losing the house.
When Biden had control he was the free pizza no homework student council. There are consequences to that.
You’re going after my erogenous zones with Douglas Murray. Love watching him school foolish people.
He’s an excellent rhetorician, however I believe he frequently argues in bad faith and is pursuing “the win” more than truth most of the time.
Oh, ok, I think I get your point. If it's that Hillary is more devious and a better planner on covering her tracks, I agree.
What actions of Trump are you talking about?
You don't think Murray believes what he's arguing? I think that's what makes him so persuasive - he isn't putting on some kind of act.
The two that immediately come to mind: his campaign meeting with that Russian during his 2016 election and using Guiliani to go talk to the Ukrainians. Both just incredibly amateurish. Clinton (and many others) would have covered up both much better. And of course, tweeting everything. That was ridiculously stupid while President.
We can give credit to pols such as a GOP Congress in 1994, but the economy in 1994, or any year, does have a life of it's own beyond the marginal influence of government.
I’m sure he does. But when he enters into debate it seems like his primary objective is embarrassing his opponent and not getting to the truth. That can be unproductive.
Again. I like Douglas Murray. Watching him destroy that fraud Malcom Gladwell’s career was one of the best moments in internet history.
I will listen to the GoodFellows podcast on occasion. Like Niall
Well since you've repeated all of the talking points verbatim, this might be a good time to post this expanation of both the crime and New York law by someone who has practiced in New York for 30 yrs...
The difference between the "mistake" of the drop down menu mistaking "legal expenses" for what was a reimbursement is that legal expenses are a legitimate business loss deduction. Reimbursing your attorney for a payment that the attorney made to pay off a pornstar is not illegal. Unless you try and take it as a business expense and claim the deductions...
That's why the paper trail was so damaging. Weisselberg's note indicated that they would disguise the reimbursement as a "legal expense" and they even incorporated Cohen's tax liability. Then they proceeded to pay him $35,000 every month in 2017 for a "legal expense" they wrote off for 2016.
The fact that they put "legal expense" on every check they wrote to Cohen in 2017, proves that they knew it wasn't a legitimate legal expense. You can't take a 2016 business loss deduction for 2016 and then make illegal payments to repay that expense in 2017. So they had to pretend that was money Cohen earned in 2017, which is part of the reason he went to jail for 3 yrs...
Had they just been honest and not cooked the books there would be no legal issue. Just paying Cohen back wasn't illegal. But it would have been very problematic in the wake of the Access Hollywood tape for Trump to have to admit to having sex with Stormy. So they had to engage in a coverup.
I doubt than any of it will get thru your MAGA fog. But hopefully this video may help others to get a better grasp of the situation with regards to New York law...
Yes, I agree. But if he doesn't think he has anything to hide, why would he?
To me, that's part of Trump's charisma. He's like a bull in a china shop and isn't in it for politics or scheming to gain power. He a problem solver and is only interested in that.
Other campaigns meet with foreign governments and Biden himself threatened Ukraine more than Trump ever thought about. But to me, that's the media. They love to expose and ridicule bad Trump moves, but where is the media condemnation about instances like Hilllary literally paying foreign nationals for false 'opposition research'? I mean, they got fined - not indicted - for literally the same thing they charged Trump with - bad bookkeeping!
So, yeah, I agree Trump was - maybe still is - an amateur when it comes to covering up devious/illegal activity when compared to other politicians, but I think much of that is the media portrayal of him.
