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Vindman? For Pete’s sake he is a Democratic Anti-Trump political operative; and not a very good one at that. Trump enabled Putin to start this war? Is this the same Trump who unleashed US energy on the world depressing the price of Russian oil? The same Trump who ended the missile treaty Putin conspicuously violated with no response from Obama? The same Trump who killed Russian mercenaries in Syria? The same Trump who blew up Putin’s favorite Middle East gangster?

Biden’s incremental response to Putin is timid and weak. Putin owns Biden, probably in ways we don’t even know about. Putin exploited Biden’s obsession with poll numbers and green energy and thought that Russian energy supply would give him a pass. Well, guess what? The Germans, to the amazement of everyone showed up Putin in ways that make Biden look like the biggest fool in the free world. Germany is full speed ahead on doing what Trump suggested 4years ago.

But keep posting this pathetic Vindman-never-Trump BS. This whole Russia/energy/Ukrainian mess shows one more thing Trump got right.
You remind me of that old joke. Putin captures three prisoners, a Ukrainian, a Brit, and COH. Putin says, “I’m gonna measure the length of your dicks and if the total is exactly 21 inches I’ll let you go.”

The Ukrainian’s dick is 10 inches, the Brit’s the same. As Putin turns his yardstick toward COH, they’re both sweating bullets. Putin sizes up COH’s dick and lo and behold it’s exactly 1 inch!

Putin lets them go free and as they’re walking away COH strokes his forehead and says, “Phew, glad I was fantasizing about Trump.“
 
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As usual, you didn't look very hard.

From Feb. 26:


These too are from prior to Vindman's tweet:











Three is absolutely nothing to indicate that Vindman just fabricated the story out of thin air. Meanwhile, you continue to post like a fool.
4 bots? :D
 
It absolutely did. Look what’s happening to Toasted for posting an totally reasonable opinion based on his lived experience.

This forum is a joke but it’s as much or more from the left as it is from the right.
"totally reasonable opinion based on his lived experience"? What are you referring to? The only thing I see that he mentioned based on "his lived experience" was something about Persian culture - which I'm pretty sure is quite different from Ukranian culture.
 
If you are calling me a Trumper, I have only ever voted for Democrats at the congressional and presidential level. I am probably the only person on this forum who sued the Trump administration. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Wait, you sued the Trump administration? For what?
 
You remind me of that old joke. Putin captures three prisoners, a Ukrainian, a Brit, and COH. Putin says, “I’m gonna measure the length of your dicks and if the total is exactly 21 inches I’ll let you go.”

The Ukrainian’s dick is 10 inches, the Brit’s the same. As Putin turns his yardstick toward COH, they’re both sweating bullets. Putin sizes up COH’s dick and lo and behold it’s exactly 1 inch!

Putin lets them go free and as they’re walking away COH strokes his forehead and says, “Phew, glad I was fantasizing about Trump.“
When you read my posts, do you really see me standing next to you? Have you thought about seeing a psychiatrist?
 
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That's it? That's all you got?

Okeydokey.
In case you would like to learn something, Sofiya Fedyna is a member of Ukraine's Parliament - not a bot. She was one of the first to report the firing. Was she right? I have no idea. But clearly Vindman did not just make up the story out of thin air, as you suggest.


 
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He was offered the position on 3 occasions. I cannot demand that he show me his passport, but the idea that a nation offers the position of defense minister on 3 occasions. There is no country in the milkway galaxy that offers the position of defense minister to a non-citizen, even Somalia. None.
Well, you’re wrong. Military officers aren’t permitted to be dual citizens. They must be US citizens alone.
 
The guy was a POS

So you steadfastly accept the word of Cernovich's "unnamed sources" regarding Vindman at Ranger school? But the multiple people who came forward and gave their names regarding Kavanaugh's behavior at Yale and even in high school are less trustworthy in your opinion? Or how about all the wrestlers at OSU willing to go on record to accuse GYM Jordan?

Before the usual suspects hit me with a whattabout claim, the point is that YOU are inconsistent with which sources you tend to believe. And while you'd expect the comments in a Cernovich article to be populated by unabashed Trumpers (and this one certainly doesn't disappoint), the reality is the Vindman hate is because he indicted Trump. I strongly suspect the attacks on him in this thread boil down to the same reason...
 
You remind me of that old joke. Putin captures three prisoners, a Ukrainian, a Brit, and COH. Putin says, “I’m gonna measure the length of your dicks and if the total is exactly 21 inches I’ll let you go.”

The Ukrainian’s dick is 10 inches, the Brit’s the same. As Putin turns his yardstick toward COH, they’re both sweating bullets. Putin sizes up COH’s dick and lo and behold it’s exactly 1 inch!

Putin lets them go free and as they’re walking away COH strokes his forehead and says, “Phew, glad I was fantasizing about Trump.“
You remind me of the biggest jackass I ever met. Still changing Ole Joe's Depends for him in your spare time?
 
I'm extremely uncomfortable with Vindman to the point that I believe he is treasonous. He is parroted on media with no disclosure of the fact that he is a Ukranian citizen and may currently be working for the Ukranian government. He is spreading all kinds of bologna on social media, such as that Gerasimov was fired about 2 minutes after Putin met with him. Completely unsubstantiated and false rumors. We may be on the cusp of nuclear war if our official were listening to Vindmans advice because he is working from a position of Ukraine. He would happily have American troops on the ground in Kiev.

And if I'm not mistaken he was at one point about to be the Ukrainian minister of defense and may have been sharing classified information with the Ukranians. This is another case in point why dual nationality is so dangerous.
He moved here when he was 3 years old and grew up in Brooklyn! He is an Army Ranger who fought in Iraq and received a Purple Heart after being hit by an IED and many other commendations for his service. He has a masters degree from Harvard and speaks fluent Russian and Ukrainian. He is pursuing his PhD in international affairs from Johns Hopkins. His entire family has served in the US military.

How dare you make those kinds of ridiculous claims about his loyalty when you clearly know nothing about him? You’re the one spreading “bologna”.

While he worked at the Joint Chiefs, he was very highly regarded and was so apolitical that Fiona Hill was concerned that he wasn’t aware that his office under Trump was becoming hyper partisan.

Vindman was so disturbed by Trump holding up military aid in exchange for dirt on Hunter Biden that he came forward. Remember Trump’s “I need you to do us a favor, first.” conversion? It was in response to Zelenskiy’s request to purchase more Javelin Ant-Tank Missiles for Ukraine. You may remember Donald Trump was impeached (the first time) for it.

No. He was not “about to be Ukrainian Minister of Defense”. I’ve heard him address that. He was never sure if they were joking or serious, but he “immediately dismissed the offers", "did not entertain them" — and testified under oath that he reported them up his chain of command.

I’m not sure if you understand this, but when people work in high levels of government, it’s important that they have expertise in their field. You know, it may be important to, understand the language, the culture, and the government if your portfolio is Ukraine, for instance?
 
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The Ukrainian official who extended the "offer" said it was a joke. Vindman, too, viewed the situation as "comical" but, as you've noted, immediately reported it.

Vindman came to the US as a three year-old. He's a decorated (including the Purple Heart) US Army combat veteran. He was on the infamous call Trump had with Zelensky, and had the balls to take on Trump for trying to extort Zelensky. The Trump cultists have been trying to smear Vindman as a POS - - with dual loyalties - - ever since.

Exactly. His entire family is the epitome of the American Dream.
 
There is a concept in Persian culture called Taarof. It reminds me of this. Then the question is on what basis the offer was conveyed. The Ukranians had some reason to believe that he would accept the offer. I'll concede that I cannot prove he is a citizen. I can only observe his behavior. At the minimum he has a very strong affinity for Ukraine.
You have zero idea of what you’re talking about.
 
You made the claim that he is a citizen of Ukraine. Prove your claim. It is not up to me to prove that he is not.

He came to the USA at the age of 3 and spent his entire adult life serving the U.S. military, with a ton of high honors.
Some anonymous tweets with confirmed anonymous sources stated that Vindman began Ukrainian spy training at the age of 2.
 
It absolutely did. Look what’s happening to Toasted for posting an totally reasonable opinion based on his lived experience.

This forum is a joke but it’s as much or more from the left as it is from the right.

Vindman has been all over the news, doing interview, tv/print, etc.... this last week. Drudge must have had this one linked, as I never go to Vice., but I had seen it the day prior .. after having a few bevs last night decided just dropping without comment would be like flies on shit.

I know, I should be more mature.
 
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The guy was a POS

I don’t have the dislike for Cernovich that many have but this is dumb. I went to ranger school around the same time (months earlier in fact) and nobody knows about who has language proficiency or what unit anybody was coming to or going to. That’s the beauty of Ranger School. Everybody is equal - no rank is worn or acknowledged. E4s lead officers on some patrols.

Chow thieves - if caught - are dealt with harshly - oftentimes kicked out of the course. The entire article is suspect and reeks of desperation and lies. Vindman may very well have been a substandard Ranger student - and officer (he looks out of shape for one thing), but Cernovich’s source sounds like a dumbass.

That you would blindly believe it should cause you to reevaluate or lens.
 
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"Hey, get rid of that guy who's investigating my son or we're going to withhold a billion dollars of your aid"

"Hey, that sounds like cohersion"

"Aw, I was just jokin'. C'mon man"!
Hey, dig up some dirt in my political opponent or we aren’t going to send funds that were already allocated for you. The perfect phone call. Keep digging.
 
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This was a 2nd incident of spreading fake news.
Do you understand what the word "reportedly" means?

Words have meaning. Honor that or there's no sense using language to communicate, we might as well just grunt.

Why does this need explained?

News as bad enough without misrepresenting it for your own arguments sake. So, what's fake, what he said, or you ignoring the key word and misrepresenting his statement?
 
I don’t have the dislike for Cernovich that many have but this is dumb. I went to ranger school around the same time (months earlier in fact) and nobody knows about who has language proficiency or what unit anybody was coming to or going to. That’s the beauty of Ranger School. Everybody is equal - no rank is worn or acknowledged. E4s lead officers on some patrols.

Chow thieves - if caught - are dealt with harshly - oftentimes kicked out of the course. The entire article is suspect and reeks of desperation and lies. Vindman may very well have been a substandard Ranger student - and officer (he looks out of shape for one thing), but Cernovich’s source sounds like a dumbass.

That you would blindly believe it should cause you to reevaluate or lens.
That's just one article I picked there's several. And I read enough comments in blogs from fellow soldiers to convince me this guy was a lying pos.

I know you may wanna push your f*c King liberal agenda here but so did that cock sucker x10.

Maybe try something besides Google for a change. Shocking what you will find.
 
That's just one article I picked there's several. And I read enough comments in blogs from fellow soldiers to convince me this guy was a lying pos.

I know you may wanna push your f*c King liberal agenda here but so did that cock sucker x10.

Maybe try something besides Google for a change. Shocking what you will find.
Yeah, @INRanger27 , you f*cKing liberal!
 
So you steadfastly accept the word of Cernovich's "unnamed sources" regarding Vindman at Ranger school? But the multiple people who came forward and gave their names regarding Kavanaugh's behavior at Yale and even in high school are less trustworthy in your opinion? Or how about all the wrestlers at OSU willing to go on record to accuse GYM Jordan?

Before the usual suspects hit me with a whattabout claim, the point is that YOU are inconsistent with which sources you tend to believe. And while you'd expect the comments in a Cernovich article to be populated by unabashed Trumpers (and this one certainly doesn't disappoint), the reality is the Vindman hate is because he indicted Trump. I strongly suspect the attacks on him in this thread boil down to the same reason...
Again, I have many sources and many articles and blogs ive read on this guy. I dont use google. Your sources I wouldn't trust as much as putin.

I guess the positive about the dumbasses you believe in and elected is I have a plan b. When the shit hits the fan you'll be looking for help from your chosen leaders. And I'll be lmao

400 more days of this shit and we'll be rounding the bottom of the toilet bowl headed for the sewer.
 
That's just one article I picked there's several. And I read enough comments in blogs from fellow soldiers to convince me this guy was a lying pos.

I know you may wanna push your f*c King liberal agenda here but so did that cock sucker x10.

Maybe try something besides Google for a change. Shocking what you will find.
And the DoD award goes to……

DoD is Dipshit of the Day.
 
Do you understand what the word "reportedly" means?

Words have meaning. Honor that or there's no sense using language to communicate, we might as well just grunt.

Why does this need explained?

News as bad enough without misrepresenting it for your own arguments sake. So, what's fake, what he said, or you ignoring the key word and misrepresenting his statement?
I understand your point. But if I tweet inaccurate speculation about Dem leadership and then add the words "reportedly". And the reportedly is MTG...

I myself made a few wildly inaccurate and embarrassing posts in this thread as I previously thought that Vindman himself had confirmed he was a dual national and was working in an advisory role to the Ukraine govt.

I still have a few questions about various claims, but won't press the case further.
 
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So you steadfastly accept the word of Cernovich's "unnamed sources" regarding Vindman at Ranger school? But the multiple people who came forward and gave their names regarding Kavanaugh's behavior at Yale and even in high school are less trustworthy in your opinion? Or how about all the wrestlers at OSU willing to go on record to accuse GYM Jordan?

Before the usual suspects hit me with a whattabout claim, the point is that YOU are inconsistent with which sources you tend to believe. And while you'd expect the comments in a Cernovich article to be populated by unabashed Trumpers (and this one certainly doesn't disappoint), the reality is the Vindman hate is because he indicted Trump. I strongly suspect the attacks on him in this thread boil down to the same reason...
Vindman may have been a mediocre officer, as I stereotypically think infantry people that leave the line for Foreign Affairs Officer career track were never the hard-chargers, but that article and sourcing is childish and stupid.

I was typically in the top quartile of peer scores when I was at that school but I know there was one dude who hated me and would always rank me low. If Cernovich was to interview that dude I’d surely look like a turd to simpletons like Indianaftw.
 
I understand your point
You can't in a post call fake news while you're doing something like that.

It's completely hypocritical. Fake news isn't a media problem or a government problem. It's a people problem. Agenda based misrepresentation being a huge culprit.

Be better ..

and fwiw M - tailor-trash - G is in America, she should learn the language or GTFO. vbg
 
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And the DoD award goes to……

DoD is Dipshit of the Day.
Not only was he a chow thief. He was a Spotlight Ranger and they wanted him peered out.

A few of the guys that served with him have called him out.

The guy said ON THE STAND he didn't know who the whistle blower was. He just released a book that said he was the one behind everything and appeared on CBS and said it too.

Your backing a liar.
 
That's just one article I picked there's several. And I read enough comments in blogs from fellow soldiers to convince me this guy was a lying pos.

I know you may wanna push your f*c King liberal agenda here but so did that cock sucker x10.

Maybe try something besides Google for a change. Shocking what you will find.
I'm no shrink but it seems kind of intuitive that a guy like you who has a meltdown literally every day on an anonymous message board might want to take a break from said message board. And/or take a deep breath and start giving some thought to your mental well-being.
 
Not only was he a chow thief. He was a Spotlight Ranger and they wanted him peered out.

A few of the guys that served with him have called him out.

The guy said ON THE STAND he didn't know who the whistle blower was. He just released a book that said he was the one behind everything and appeared on CBS and said it too.

Your backing a liar.
I’m not backing anybody. I’m calling that article from Cernovich stupid - because it is stupid.

Everybody in the history of the military can find someone who thinks they sucked in the military. Look at what the Team 6 guys did to Bissonnette when he wrote that book and broke their code. He was good enough to be a Team 6 guy but he breaks the code and now he’s on the outs.

I can cut snippets of my OERs that explain how good my commanders thought I was. But I can give you several names - other officers - who will tell you I was “overrated.” My men loved me and that’s all that mattered to me.

You’re looking for illegitimate and biased sources to prove whatever crazy point you’re trying to make. It serves no purpose. It solves nothing.
 
Well, you’re wrong. Military officers aren’t permitted to be dual citizens. They must be US citizens alone.

The United States doesn't recognize dual citizenship at all. Part of the oath of US citizenship is renouncing your citizenship elsewhere. That's why the wife has never gone for US citizenship. Most people just cross their fingers behind their backs while they renounce (other nations including Canada have no problem with dual citizenship), but the wife won't do it.

If an American goes for citizenship elsewhere and does not renounce his American citizenship, the US does not recognize that foreign citizenship.
 
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