Ukraine Aid

[twenty02]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.


The poll question is equivalent to what the House will actually vote on (if Speaker Johnson will allows a vote). Not what you wish the vote will be on.

How would you vote?

 

[TR32]

Maybe a better poll question would be: how soon would China poach Tawain if the US was not studying modern warfare via arms to Ukraine?

 

[twenty02]

Maybe a better poll question would be: how soon would China poach Tawain if the US was not studying modern warfare via arms to Ukraine?

Larger geopolitical questions. But not the one in front of you.

Vote.

 

[Spartans9312]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send direct money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.


The poll question is equivalent to what the House will actually vote on (if Speaker Johnson will allows a vote). Not what you wish the vote will be on.

The bill will clear the Senate on Wednesday.

Speaker Johnson will try to delay the bill for reasons one can only speculate about.

 

[Mark Milton]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send direct money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.


The poll question is equivalent to what the House will actually vote on (if Speaker Johnson will allows a vote). Not what you wish the vote will be on.

Super important point. Glad you brought this up.

 

[Univee2]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send direct money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.


The poll question is equivalent to what the House will actually vote on (if Speaker Johnson will allows a vote). Not what you wish the vote will be on.

I don’t mean to call anybody out here, but I’m curious about the reason(s) someone would vote “no.”

I get that government spending is out of control and we need to stop it whenever and wherever we can. I get not wanting to get involved on the ground.

But how can we not support Israel against terrorism and how can we not push back against Russia/Putin? This just seems elemental.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I don’t mean to call anybody out here, but I’m curious about the reason(s) someone would vote “no.”

I get that government spending is out of control and we need to stop it whenever and wherever we can. I get not wanting to get involved on the ground.

But how can we not support Israel against terrorism and how can we not push back against Russia/Putin? This just seems elemental.

The poll is predicting what will happen, not our own preference.

 

[twenty02]

The poll is predicting what will happen, not our own preference.

No. Sorry. What would your vote be?

Maybe I need to clarify

 

[IU_Hickory]

The poll is predicting what will happen, not our own preference.

His last paragraph makes it seem that way but I guess he wants us to vote what we would do.

They should vote yes but I think they will vote no because Trump told them to

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No. Sorry. What would your vote be?

Maybe I need to clarify

I misunderstood. My vote is the same though.

 

[IU_Hickory]

I don’t mean to call anybody out here, but I’m curious about the reason(s) someone would vote “no.”

I get that government spending is out of control and we need to stop it whenever and wherever we can. I get not wanting to get involved on the ground.

But how can we not support Israel against terrorism and how can we not push back against Russia/Putin? This just seems elemental.

Trump has come out against Ukraine aid. His sway over the party is likely why it is getting votes.

And it may just be posters that think that is what the house will do.

What is interesting is this is what the dems wanted originally I believe before told to add a fix for our border

 

[AFreshPerspective]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.

I love when they use this line to try and sell military spending. Blinken does it all the time.

“It’s not a give away folks, it’s just good old fashion crony capitalism. We take your tax dollars, and we give them to Northrop Grumman, what’s not to like about that? Don’t you agree Northrop Grumman needs your money?”

 

[twenty02]

The bill will clear the Senate on Wednesday.

Speaker Johnson will try to delay the bill for reasons one can only speculate about.

The bill passed passed overnight.

Senate passes Ukraine funding in predawn vote

The Senate voted early Tuesday morning to pass a $95 billion emergency defense spending bill, including $60 billion for Ukraine, after an all-night filibuster by conservative opponents finally ran …

thehill.com

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The poll is predicting what will happen, not our own preference.

It asks if we support.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I love when they use this line to try and sell military spending. Blinken does it all the time.

“It’s not a give away folks, it’s just good old fashion crony capitalism. We take your tax dollars, and we give them to Northrop Grumman, what’s not to like about that? Don’t you agree Northrop Grumman needs your money?”

We give Ukraine some of older weapons systems and we replace them with newer ones. We'll eventually do this anyway, but this also allow us to support a partner nation against Russian aggression and reduce Russia's military power. There's a lot to support there.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The bill passed passed overnight.

Senate passes Ukraine funding in predawn vote

The Senate voted early Tuesday morning to pass a $95 billion emergency defense spending bill, including $60 billion for Ukraine, after an all-night filibuster by conservative opponents finally ran …

thehill.com

Now we'll see what Johnson does. The majority of the House supports it, including the majority of Republicans, but the crazies among the GOP generally do not. They'll probably threaten Johnson with removing him as Speaker again. I'd tell them to stuff it and bring it up for a vote.

 

[AFreshPerspective]

We give Ukraine some of older weapons systems and we replace them with newer ones. We'll eventually do this anyway, but this also allow us to support a partner nation against Russian aggression and reduce Russia's military power. There's a lot to support there.

Is confiscating tax payer money, to send to a company largely sustained by government contracts so they can replenish weaponry that they're currently sending to a a war zone half a world a way (a war we largely provoked) another core pillar of Conservatism in your warped world view?

No for me on Mic stimulus er "Ukraine funding".

 

[twenty02]

Is confiscating tax payer money, to send to a company largely sustained by government contracts so they can replenish weaponry that they're currently sending to a a war zone half a world a way (a war we largely provoked) another core pillar of Conservatism in your warped world view?

No for me on Mic stimulus er "Ukraine funding".

You would have hated Reagan.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The Ukraine / Israel supplemental will soon pass the Senate.

Its future in the House is unknown.

For anyone that doesn't understand the intricacies. ....

We do not directly send money to Ukraine/Israel.

We send them ammo, and then would use the funding approval to buy back more to replenish our own stock.... Almost entirely domestic produced. In reality, it's a stimulus directed towards our domestic arms manufacturers.

Semantics I know. But a lot of people think we just give money away. Which is untrue.


The poll question is equivalent to what the House will actually vote on (if Speaker Johnson will allows a vote). Not what you wish the vote will be on.

How would you vote?

Yeah it’s pretty wild. Almost all of Lockheed’s revenue is public contracts. Half of Boeing’s. And there are others. An incredible amount of money and while I get it and it’s necessary it’s also not without questions that arise between that private/public divide and the monies these companies pull -ceo salaries etc. comp packages of $25 mil

 

[twenty02]

Is confiscating tax payer money, to send to a company largely sustained by government contracts so they can replenish weaponry that they're currently sending to a a war zone half a world a way (a war we largely provoked) another core pillar of Conservatism in your warped world view?

No for me on Mic stimulus er "Ukraine funding".

 

[twenty02]

We give Ukraine some of older weapons systems and we replace them with newer ones. We'll eventually do this anyway, but this also allow us to support a partner nation against Russian aggression and reduce Russia's military power. There's a lot to support there.

Farva hates the American defense industry manufacturing worker. No surprise. Another RINO.

Tank plant in small Ohio city plays big role in Ukraine war

Thousands of miles from the front lines, a sprawling manufacturing plant in the small midwestern city of Lima, Ohio, is playing a critical role in the effort to arm Ukraine as it fends off the Russian invasion.

apnews.com

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Is confiscating tax payer money, to send to a company largely sustained by government contracts so they can replenish weaponry that they're currently sending to a a war zone half a world a way (a war we largely provoked) another core pillar of Conservatism in your warped world view?

No for me on Mic stimulus er "Ukraine funding".

You have a warped view. Of course this is conservatism. Isolationism has never worked. Strong defense and supporting our allies and partner nations by helping them to defend themselves and to prepare for them to operate with us if ever needed is a pillar of conservative foreign policy.

I see that you'd fit right in with the non-conservative crazies in the House.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Is confiscating tax payer money, to send to a company largely sustained by government contracts so they can replenish weaponry that they're currently sending to a a war zone half a world a way (a war we largely provoked) another core pillar of Conservatism in your warped world view?

No for me on Mic stimulus er "Ukraine funding".

Wait. You're Farva too? It should tell you something that you're banned so much you have to have 50 handles.

Don't talk to me. You've proven to be an arrogant disrespectful idiot long ago.

 

[AFreshPerspective]

Farva hates the American defense industry manufacturing worker. No surprise. Another RINO.

Tank plant in small Ohio city plays big role in Ukraine war

Thousands of miles from the front lines, a sprawling manufacturing plant in the small midwestern city of Lima, Ohio, is playing a critical role in the effort to arm Ukraine as it fends off the Russian invasion.

apnews.com

When can I buy an M1 Abrams? Or is part of the deal in our government giving these companies our tax dollars that only the government gets to use what they produce?

 

[twenty02]

When can I buy an M1 Abrams? Our is part of the deal in our government giving these companies our tax dollars that only the government gets to use what they produce?

No shit. It's called a defense industrial base.

 

[twenty02]

Wait. Your Farva too? It should tell you something that you're banned so much you have to have 50 handles.

Don't talk to me. You've proven to be an arrogant idiot long ago.

He's trying to catch up with Ordy.


Maybe he is Ordy?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Farva hates the American defense industry manufacturing worker. No surprise. Another RINO.

Tank plant in small Ohio city plays big role in Ukraine war

Thousands of miles from the front lines, a sprawling manufacturing plant in the small midwestern city of Lima, Ohio, is playing a critical role in the effort to arm Ukraine as it fends off the Russian invasion.

apnews.com

Yep. Abrams tanks from Ohio. Sometimes see them being transported by train or special trailers by truck from time to time.

 

[snarlcakes]

I don’t mean to call anybody out here, but I’m curious about the reason(s) someone would vote “no.”

I get that government spending is out of control and we need to stop it whenever and wherever we can. I get not wanting to get involved on the ground.

But how can we not support Israel against terrorism and how can we not push back against Russia/Putin? This just seems elemental.

I’m a conservative is why I voted against it. Stealing from the American public shouldn’t be allowed. It’s unfortunate Republicans have lost their way and think the way you do.

If congress wants to provide more aid there should be cuts in other areas and/or taxes raised.

 

[Mark Milton]

He's trying to catch up with Ordy.


Maybe he is Ordy?

Does Ordfan still post???? I knew he loved to play the sock puppet thing

 

[IU_Hickory]

MSN

Musk is in the defeatist camp

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You would have hated Reagan.

Reagan:

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.​

Reagan on D-Day: Isolationism Is Never Acceptable | National Review

We must help to keep Europe free — at least, for our self-interest. Reagan would agree, and he admonished us to do so.

www.nationalreview.com

And of course, Ike was similar, Ike only ran to prevent an isolationist from winning. Ike offered to withdraw if Taft would repudiate isolationism. Taft refused:

Eisenhower rejects calls for U.S. isolationism | June 10, 1953 | HISTORY

In a forceful speech, President Dwight D. Eisenhower strikes back at critics of his Cold War foreign policy. He insisted that the United States was committed to the worldwide battle against communism and that he would maintain a strong U.S. defense. Just a few months into his presidency, and...

www.history.com

 

[AFreshPerspective]

Reagan:

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.​

Reagan on D-Day: Isolationism Is Never Acceptable | National Review

We must help to keep Europe free — at least, for our self-interest. Reagan would agree, and he admonished us to do so.

www.nationalreview.com

And of course, Ike was similar, Ike only ran to prevent an isolationist from winning. Ike offered to withdraw if Taft would repudiate isolationism. Taft refused:

Eisenhower rejects calls for U.S. isolationism | June 10, 1953 | HISTORY

In a forceful speech, President Dwight D. Eisenhower strikes back at critics of his Cold War foreign policy. He insisted that the United States was committed to the worldwide battle against communism and that he would maintain a strong U.S. defense. Just a few months into his presidency, and...

www.history.com

Your signature re: "fanatics" is very apropo with respect to Ukraine funding.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Your signature re: "fanatics" is very apropo with respect to Ukraine funding.

Tell me, what benefit do we have to Ukraine being a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc? How does that make your life better?

 

[IU_Hickory]

Tell me, what benefit do we have to Ukraine being a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc? How does that make your life better?

Might take him a second. He has to send a telegram to trump to see why he thinks that

 

[mcmurtry66]

Tell me, what benefit do we have to Ukraine being a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc? How does that make your life better?

how does it make it worse? reader's digest version marv not a book. not all of us track foreign stuff. and why is the following always the case as trump notes:

Infographic: The Countries Pledging the Most Military Aid to Ukraine

This chart shows the countries committing the most military aid to Ukraine from Jan. 24, 2022 to Oct. 31, 2023 (in billion euros).

www.statista.com

 

[Baller23Boogie]

No. Sorry. What would your vote be?

Maybe I need to clarify

I originally thought you wanted to know what we thought was going to happen should a vote be taken.

I changed it accordingly.

 

[UncleMark]

Does Ordfan still post???? I knew he loved to play the sock puppet thing

He finally got banned from the free football board some time back and I don't think he's been seen since.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Tell me, what benefit do we have to Ukraine being a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc? How does that make your life better?

there are what 30 countries in nato yet we foot almost half of ukraine's bill. why? and i get twenty's post about replenishing weapons and it inures to the benefit our own highly compensated companies like boeing and lockheed but isn't htat a policy choice. instead of all of lockheed's money earmarked for weapns couldn't 1/4 go to affordable housing or high speed rail or nuclear energy exploration or whatever? i'm not attacking you either marv as i just would like an explanation as again i don't track this stuff much. boeing was always a big employer here w/ mcdonnell douglas before

 

[twenty02]

there are what 30 countries in nato yet we foot almost half of ukraine's bill. why? and i get twenty's post about replenishing weapons and it inures to the benefit our own highly compensated companies like boeing and lockheed but isn't htat a policy choice. instead of all of lockheed's money earmarked for weapns couldn't 1/4 go to affordable housing or high speed rail or nuclear energy exploration or whatever? i'm not attacking you either marv as i just would like an explanation as again i don't track this stuff much. boeing was always a big employer here w/ mcdonnell douglas before

Have a relative that was an engineer with Boeing in STL for entire career. After 9/11 he was working on how to get missiles attached to drones to be used in Afghanistan. I guess before then all the drones we had were unarmed.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Wait. You're Farva too? It should tell you something that you're banned so much you have to have 50 handles.

Don't talk to me. You've proven to be an arrogant idiot long ago.

I told Mark his very first post it was Farva. He tried to disguise it by being civil for a thread or two, but as usual, it didn’t last long.