You're on a message board, as the moderator, telling a poster to burn in hell - a poster that's been on the board for years whose opinions certainly aren't a matter of first impression for you - don't ever tell someone they're going to look stupid...
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Perfect I'll be certain to repay the favor- let me know when you think another poster needs to burn in hell. I'll save you from looking stupid; again....
I really never understood that establishment argument. Trump’s accomplishments were pretty much mainstream GOP positions. He was decidedly non-establishment in his approach to governance. Many candidates like to claim outside status. But nobody has pulled it off except Trump. I think those who run as outsiders either don’t mean it or don’t know how to do it.
Uh, before you get totally swallowed up in righteous indignation, burning in message board hell is being forced to read IGW's posts,
over, and
over,
and over, and
over again.
i know, but his posts are growing on me. they're kind of hypnotic - and infectious. when my daughter asks for stuff instead of just saying no, i tell her: it's not personal; it's just business.
You're really going to pretend you don't know the answer to why Ohio, Texas and FL opened mail-in votes EARLY and why PA, MI, WI, and NC didn't?
The election law in PA was changed in 2019, in a compromise bill that both the Dems and Pubs accepted.
"Harrisburg, PA – Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with voter-friendly election reforms.
The law creates a new option to vote by mail up to 50 days before an election and be placed on a list to permanently receive a ballot application by mail. It also provides more time to register to vote and authorizes a $90 million bond to help counties fund the purchase of new voting systems with a paper trail that strengthens the security of our elections." More details...
Increasing the opportunity to vote increases turnout. According to a U.S. Government Accountability Office report
in 2016, providing more days to register to vote and no-excuse mail-in ballots increased voter participation by more than four percent. That is nearly 250,000 votes in Pennsylvania.No excuse mail-in voting
The law creates a new option to vote by mail without providing an excuse, which is currently required for voters using absentee ballots. Pennsylvania joins 31 other states and Washington, D.C. with mail-in voting that removes barriers to elections.
Governor Wolf Signs Election Reform Bill Including New Mail-in Voting
Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with...
www.governor.pa.gov
Here is an example of what the GOP wanted (in bold red) and what the dems wanted (in bold blue)
What if I change my mind on the mail-in ballot? Can I still vote in person?
Yes. If you request a mail-in ballot but it doesn’t arrive before Election Day, or you don’t think it will arrive in time if you mail it in the last days before November 3, you can still vote in-person. Bring your ballot with the return envelope to your polling location and ask to cast a regular ballot. If you do not have your ballot, you may vote provisionally at your regular polling station.Can I cast a straight-ticket ballot this year?
No. Another change to your ballot this year is the end of straight-ticket voting. Ballots will no longer include a box allowing a voter to select all of one party’s candidates with one mark. This means you will need to go through each race on the ballot and make a selection.Can I vote early?
While Pennsylvania doesn’t have the kind of early voting option available in states like Florida and Minnesota, the same 2019 election reform law that made it easier to vote by mail also created an in-person early voting option. If you haven’t yet requested a mail-in ballot, you can go to your county elections office and apply in person. You will receive a paper ballot that you can fill out and submit in-person immediately.In Lancaster County, this option will be available after Oct. 5. Randal Wenger, the county’s elections chief, encouraged people who already applied for a mail-in ballot to be patient and wait for it to be delivered by mail...
What's the Pa. mail-in ballot deadline? When is Election Day? Here's what voters need to know
A Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision issued in September clears the way for counties to finalize their ballots and begin distributing mail-in copies to voters who requested them.
The GOP was DESPERATE to end straight ticket voting, so they agreed to no-excuse mail in voting, prior to COVID. Now not only was that bill passed by The Legislature and signed by the Dem Governor, but there were no challenges to it till AFTER the 2020 election. on Nov 11, the PA Supreme Crt ruled UNANIMOUSLY that a suit by Mike Kelly and the GOP to throw out over 2 Million Votes because the 2019 law was unconstitutional was WITHOUT MERIT.
Talk about fact deprived. Florida was called that nigh and Ohio was called shortly after the next day.
"Talk about fact deprived. Florida was called that night and Ohio was called shortly after the next day."
You just posted contrary to your OWN argument. The ONLY reason Ohio and FL were able to be called ON or the day after Election Day, is that the GOP in those states allowed Mail In/early Ballots to be counted FIRST. FL counted ALL of their early vote prior to counting election day votes, which is why Biden had the early vote and Trump gained the lead when the election day totals were counted and figured in.
As others have pointed out,it was the exact opposite in both MI and PA. Had the GOP Legislature in either state allowed the early/mail vote to be counted BEFORE election day, then both states would have seen races where just like FL and OH Biden led early and Trump would have been the chaser.
Of course THAT is not what Trump wanted- he's not as stupid as he looks and sounds. He Knew that unlike FL, where a LOT of Pubs vote by mail and absentee, there was no way he'd be ahead in pre-election day voting in either PA or MI. His whole strategy was to make it appear that he was winning in PA,MI, and WI, and then stage his 3 am BS claim of victory... He also didn't count on losing AZ or GA...
Btw, MI voters approved no-excuse mail ballots in a referendum in 2018 (by 30 points),
And the PA Legislature agreed to a compromise measure (in 2019) that allowed for early voting and no-excuse mail balloting (favored by Dems) in exchange for the abolishment of straight ticket voting, (which the GOP wanted DESPERATELY)...
Governor | Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Josh Shapiro is a different kind of leader, and he has been a different kind of governor.
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When the post-election controversy arose and I pulled up a couple sample ballots in Georgia, I decided that all Republican arguments about mail-in ballots were bullshit -- every single one of those arguments were bullshit. Here's why:
Georgia official sample ballots, 2020
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
Of course, the Georgia mail-in sample ballots were paper (duh). They show that lots of other offices besides President were up for election in Georgia (sample ballots vary between districts). Yet, when the Trump crowd claimed the mail-in ballots were illegal or should be disqualified if they arrived late, they never claimed that the entirety of the mail-in ballots should be disqualified -- they only wanted the pro-Biden votes to be voided in the Presidential race while letting the other, late, supposedly-illegal down-ballot votes (for other state offices) to remain valid and get counted.
That's bullshit -- if it's late it's late (or should be). If it should be disqualified, it should be disqualified in its entirety (or should be). But that's the Republican party today -- only disqualify the non-Trump votes. Let the other "improper" votes for Republican down-ballot candidates get counted. Moral majority my ass.
Dude the time for filing a suit and appealing a negative decision regarding the 2019 PA bill which was SIGNED on Oct 31 2019 and intended to be implemented for the 2020 PRIMARIES, would have been sometime PRIOR to the PRIMARIES, say Spring early summer 2020. It certainly wasn't NOV 21, over two weeks AFTER the GENERAL election had been held and the candidate YOU favored lost...
"Of course, the reason nobody filed a suit in a timely manner was because Trump hadn't yet told the PA GOP that a measure they had supported overwhelmingly when it was established in 2019 was BAD...
“Everybody thought this was a good idea — a great idea, in fact — until Trump spoke out against it,” said Joe Mistick, a law professor at Duquesne and local political commentator.
Act 77, the Pennsylvania law that legalized no-excuse mail-in voting, came together in 2019 as a compromise between the Democratic and Republican parties. Republicans achieved their goal of abolishing straight-ticket voting, which Democrats agreed to in order to obtain the vote-by-mail expansion.
Mistick said the law made Pennsylvania “a symbol, an example of bipartisanship, of how the two parties can come together for the good of the franchise and set aside their political differences.”
Trump politicized mail-in voting in 2020, but PA Republicans supported expanding it
Universal, no-excuse mail-in voting has survived a court challenge in Pennsylvania and will live on after an eventful first year on the books.
www.publicsource.org
And in dismissing the law suit the PA Supreme Court did NOT mince words... It was a UNANIMOUS decision, which came only EIGHT days from when Kelly tried to bring it...
The justices contended that if the plaintiffs had constitutional concerns over the mail-in voting law, their suit would have been filed earlier and not after millions of mail-in ballots were cast in the 2020 primary and general election. The justices further noted that the plaintiffs waited until after the votes had been tallied and their preferred presidential candidate lost the state.
"Unsatisfied with the results of that wager, they would now flip over the table, scattering to the shadows the votes of millions of Pennsylvanians," Justice David Wecht wrote in a statement
concurring with the three-page order. "It is not our role to lend legitimacy to such transparent and untimely efforts to subvert the will of Pennsylvania voters."
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Rejects Republican Suit To Throw Out Ballots
One justice writes: "It is not our role to lend legitimacy to such transparent and untimely efforts to subvert the will of Pennsylvania voters."
www.npr.org
Not sure what "appellate process" they were "denied"? The SCOTUS rejected their attempt,even though they tried to present it thru Alioto. The PA Supreme Court pretty much nailed the ridiculous nature of the "suit" and SCOTUS agreed...
The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive defeat in the popular vote and Electoral College.
The lawsuit was brought by Republican Rep. Mike Kelly, who argued a 2019 state law authorizing universal mail-in voting is unconstitutional and that all ballots cast by mail in the general election in Pennsylvania should be thrown out.
"The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice [Samuel] Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied," said the court's one-sentence order
, which did not suggest any dissent among the nine justices.
Supreme Court Rejects GOP Bid To Reverse Pennsylvania Election Results
The lawsuit argued a 2019 state law authorizing universal mail-in voting was unconstitutional and that all ballots cast by mail in the general election in Pennsylvania should be thrown out.
www.npr.org
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Oh my God, I haven't seen such shyte since I've been on the internet!
"Maybe you should check your own math skills before insulting someone else or are you not able to do simple math?"
Quite the zinger. If you're in 4th grade.
How can anyone take you seriously when you use 'like' like you are a teenage girl?
Idiot.
Like I said and you willingly ignored, 99% of the people there had nothing to do with the violence you cite. That was the whole meaning of my comment.
99%...?
How many people are you saying were at the pro-Trump rally who did NOT go to the Capital? There will end up being close to 500 people arrested. Granted it's a minority of the folks at the Rally, but it's nowhere near only 1 %...
You can’t simply say “all Republicans tried to kill Congress.” Did all Democrats try to kill Republicans when that guy shot up the Republican softball team practice?
The single Bernie supporter (Hodgkinson) who shot Scalise only caused 1 death- his own.
There are far more examples of Trump supporters actually KILLING people, (Crusius in El Paso,Bowers in Pittsburgh, Rittenhouse in Kenosha) than you have to utilize the single case of a lone Democrat who only killed himself in some sort of attempt at false equivalency...
When my city was looted and burned and rioted last summer - with 2 cops shot and one kid photographer shot dead - I was told that 99% of the protestors did nothing wrong. What happened to that? Killed by hypocrisy?
No idea where you live,and what "my city" refers to. How about a link?
Read one then block him. If you've read read one you've read them all.
That's why months before the actual election we were hoping that Ohio or Florida would turn blue....because that would snap Trump's neck and put a pin in his fraud strategy, kind of, maybe.
Unfortunately that didn't happen and election night went pretty much as we thought as far as what states would be finalized, what states would be delayed and how the day would go.
IE Biden jumping out to a huge lead in Texas (because Texas counts their mail vote as they come in) only to watch Trump catch him by the end of the day.
However knowing Trump, even telepathing his game plan didn't make any difference for Arizona. Where Biden jumped out to the predictable huge lead and we watched Trump close the gap but not all the way.
Remember how pissed Trump was at Fox for calling AZ for Biden early?
What state is currently doing its 4th audit (by a right wing company that has never done a voting audit before. Wanna guess what they are going to miraculously find)?
I'm really curious what Liz's endgame is here because she's not politically dumb and neither is her family, obviously.
I'm wondering if she's trying to cyst out all the Trumpicans. She's gone on national TV and shit talked McCarthy.
Disagreeing with things is one thing....picking a fight is another.
She seems to be picking a fight.
My feelz is I believe if you'd ask the Trump Pubs in secret, they want Trump to fade into the back ground so that can work on his base but not have to be subservient to his every move.
Of course everyone knows that isn't what Trump does. He's going to be as loud as he can and the center of the hub bub.
I mean hell I thought I saw that he's planning MAGA rallies this summer.
No way is he going to let a guy like DeSantis become the face of the party imo.
Re trump I agree. I just don’t think time is on his side - whether it be cholesterol or indictment, something’s going to get him before the next election. I’m sure DeSantis and others are secretly hoping the sooner the better
You flying a Citation? At the very least, you have some really nice avionics.
Yup, that was the game plan.
It was telepathized months ahead.
Hell he set that same table in 2016, he just happened to win and didn't need to use it (other than saying a bunch of illegal immigrants voted or he would have won by more).
You are way too far down the right wing hole if you didn't see his game plan a mile away.
It's played out almost exactly how it was predicted months before the election.
We're not talking 4-D chess here.
Horseshit - there are 5 libs spewing hatred & insults for every 1 con on here. Spare us your selective outrage. You told a man of god, however stupid that may be, to burn in hell. You wanted to post the most hateful, hurtful, very specific thing you could possibly direct at him. Not even comparable to what he posted....
I haven't seen many talk about the actual danger to our government and its security.
Meaning the second and third in line of succession was what, 20-30 yards away from a Trump riot?
Do we really not understand how serious that situation was to national security?
He got triggered with me bc I supported Coh. So he took a swipe at me. He’s about as predictable as it gets. If he was 1/10 as smart as thinks he is he could be coh’s paralegal. Or organize his pills maybe. What he said about burning in hell to vpm is pathetic
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Hey, I think I liked one of Uncle Mark's post, and you still call him UncleBulk...talk about triggered.
It’s a gesture of fondness to you both. Your posts are almost always snipes, but to your credit often clever. Redeeming....Hey, I think I liked one of Uncle Mark's post, and you still call him UncleBulk...talk about triggered.
That was a precedent set by Nixon per Gore himself which is why I like you're point.
Suspecting foul play is common. Manning up after your concerns have gone through a review is downright American like with Nixon and Gore, both who lost by what....a couple thousand votes?
I only snipe at those who deserve/need it. Please don't make me repeat my whole nose-tweaking strategy.
That and it was an extremely shitty eight years that saw three market crashes, the start of a twenty year war, an abrupt shift to the right particularly with the abuse of the war powers act (which is still in play I believe).
Add too it he came after Clinton's run which was one of the most prosperous in our history and yeah, the good old days of the 00's were non existent.
His popularity today is because he stands up to Trump and is an old school politician vs a grievance politician that we see today popularized by the populous Trump who found success using grievance politics.
Meaning he can sit next to his political rivals and have a beer with them without being considered a traitor to the party.
You libs don’t want voter ID for one reason. You don’t think Blacks are smart enough to to get an ID.
When the post-election controversy arose and I pulled up a couple sample ballots in Georgia, I decided that all Republican arguments about mail-in ballots were bullshit -- every single one of those arguments were bullshit. Here's why:
Georgia official sample ballots, 2020
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politicsballotpedia.org
Of course, the Georgia mail-in sample ballots were paper (duh). They show that lots of other offices besides President were up for election in Georgia (sample ballots vary between districts). Yet, when the Trump crowd claimed the mail-in ballots were illegal or should be disqualified if they arrived late, they never claimed that the entirety of the mail-in ballots should be disqualified -- they only wanted the pro-Biden votes to be voided in the Presidential race while letting the other, late, supposedly-illegal down-ballot votes (for other state offices) to remain valid and get counted.
That's bullshit -- if it's late it's late (or should be). If it should be disqualified, it should be disqualified in its entirety (or should be). But that's the Republican party today -- only disqualify the non-Trump votes. Let the other "improper" votes for Republican down-ballot candidates get counted. Moral majority my ass.
You know a certain Georgian representative's election was based off of those same ballots that she says should be disqualified.
When told that her response was something like 'we're talking about the president's votes, the rest are fine'.
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I can agree with you that the "darkest day" narrative is overstated when you compare it with 9/11 and other individual 24 hour periods in US history.
However, you made the point in a previous post that the real "bad behavior" was the weeks/months of lies after the election ended. How do you separate those actions from the actions of Jan. 6th? IMO, that's the big deal. We all witnessed a President do everything in his power to maintain his grip on the presidency and try to prevent the peaceful transition of power that is a foundational element of America's democracy. While we witnessed a lot of bad behavior/reprehensible actions this summer, it's not hard to imagine why many people find the actions of our president worse than the mob behavior this summer.
I can understand getting caught in a moment and doing something regrettable in the heat of the moment that lasts a short while then subsides. I’ve followed some of the pending crim actions and read the accounts. It’s different than night after night after night burning fed buildings, killing/injuring people, ruining lives and livelihoods. It’s different than judge shopping filing bogus lawsuit after bogus lawsuit for months perpetuating a lie
Yeah, Bush is getting a free pass because he opposes Trump and flirts with Obama's wife.
How cute.
But, Bush has never been held accountable for the way he treated/mistreated/lied to Colin Powell about the supposed evidence of WMD in Iraq. I'd really be interested if Gen. Powell ever got interested in politics, but I fear the way he was treated by the Bush adm. has entirely poisoned him against the idea. Too bad -- Powell seems like an honorable guy, and we need a lot more people with honor right now.
Yeah, Bush is getting a free pass because he opposes Trump and flirts with Obama's wife.
How cute.
But, Bush has never been held accountable for the way he treated/mistreated/lied to Colin Powell about the supposed evidence of WMD in Iraq. I'd really be interested if Gen. Powell ever got interested in politics, but I fear the way he was treated by the Bush adm. has entirely poisoned him against the idea. Too bad -- Powell seems like an honorable guy, and we need a lot more people with honor right now.
i don't believe for 2 seconds Powell didn't know what was and wasn't going on.
and his son was made chairman of the FCC, (talk about coincidences), which he parleyed into a gig as the head of big telecom's top lobbying organization at over $4 mil a yr, after doing big telecom's bidding while heading the FCC.
even most of those who know our govt is corrupt, still don't grasp just how unbelievably totally corrupt it really is.
and Bush lied his ass off to take us to war.
no bigger act of treason than that.
Yep.
The Republican/Trump challenges to Georgia's election practices are interesting for another reason too -- basically all of Georgia's statewide elected officials are Republicans.
So, we basically have Republicans claiming other Republicans committed election violations to help Democrat Biden win. Apparently, that must make sense to, well, some Republican somewhere.
